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knicks1248
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4/10/2016  2:18 PM
So two years into this with Phil Jackson we are somehow still talking about an offense out of the past and not a basketball team built for the present, and the future, in the NBA.

Kurt Rambis, who clearly will have a job with Jackson in basketball as long as Jackson still has one, was the one doing the talking about the triangle in Philadelphia on Friday.

“We didn’t fully immerse ourselves into practicing (the triangle while Derek Fisher was coach), developing it, learning how to work with it, going through the breakdown drills to execute it properly,” Rambis says. “We kind of skirted over things. So the real learning process of it didn’t have enough time to take place. We also didn’t allow the players the kind of time that it needs to allow them to get comfortable with it.”

Well, there’s your recruiting pitch right there for free agents: Come and run an offense that Phil Jackson thinks is a surefire winner in the modern NBA and the rest of the league looks at like it’s an eight-track tape player. And don’t worry……it will only take you a year or two to get comfortable in it!

Then Rambis talked about how all you have to do is open your mind to the triangle and be receptive to it, as if it’s like some kind of cult we’re talking about instead of an offense that once – and only — flourished when Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant ended up with the ball.

Remember those first heady days when Jackson came back to New York – a city he’d left 40 years ago — and was really supposed to be on his way back to the Canyon of Heroes? Spike Lee actually did an in-house film on the triangle and pitched it as not just being an offense, but a way of life?

Boy, those were the days.

Now the question has to be asked, as the Knicks show that the real basketball cult at the Garden is the cult of missing the playoffs, something they now do for the 11th time in 15 years, a period when they have won one division title and one playoff series, is this question right here:

Can James L. Dolan actually think this is working?

Better yet, who at the Garden is telling Dolan this is working, other than Jackson, who has had two significant accomplishments in his time back in New York, drafting Kristaps Porzingis and getting paid?

Maybe this is the best question of all: When does Dolan start to think he’s getting played here?

For the last time, this is one Knicks’ fans can’t put on Dolan, because he so clearly gave them what they wanted when he hired Jackson for five years and $60 million to be the Knicks new Savior in Chief. People were begging Dolan to bring Jackson back, if not to coach the Knicks then to do something to restore them to past glory. The late Dave DeBusschere had run the Knicks a long time ago. Capt. Willis Reed had coached them. Now Jackson, a guy off the bench in the glory years who had gone on to win 11 titles in Chicago and Los Angeles, was going to be the last guy attached to those glory years to try to make the Knicks a winner again.

Not only was Jackson going to do that, he was going to change the whole culture at the Garden, open up the windows, let everybody breathe, make the whole place more accessible than a house tour. How’s that working out? Jackson is more available sending Woodstock spring-break pictures on Twitter than he is to the people covering the team.

Now he’s got a coach, Rambis, whose greatest skill so far seems to be as a teacher’s pet, talking about the previous coach, Derek Fisher. You’ve got an affable guy who’s 9-17 with the Knicks doing the team president’s bidding and pointing a finger at the coach who was 40-96 with the Knicks, even as there are all these colander-like leaks coming out of this brand-spanking-new culture saying that Jackson wants to bring Rambis back.

Kurt Rambis is Phil Jackson's man. But should he be?
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Kurt Rambis is Phil Jackson's man. But should he be?
And why? Because Jackson’s coaching tree looks like a tree without leaves in the winter, that’s why, and Rambis is the best of His Guys available. But shouldn’t this be about the Best Guy? Or does hiring somebody outside the cult of the triangle not fit the narrative that Phil’s way is still the only way and best way in the NBA?

For a couple of years, there has been another narrative being pushed inside the Garden: That Jackson and Steve Mills, for some reason still the general manager of the team, were going to deliver Durant to the Knicks. Once the pipe dream here was about LeBron. Now Durant. Trust me, there are people in the league who believe that once Steve Kerr turned down the Knicks and went with the Warriors instead – wow, go figure – that Fisher became the logical choice because he had been a former teammate of Durant’s.

But if Durant isn’t part of a long-range plan here, with Carmelo Anthony about to turn 32 next month, you wonder what the long-range plan actually is, other than Phil continuing to be the Garden’s resident genius, just without an executive portfolio. Dolan said he would stay out of Jackson’s way, back when the word “autonomy” was being thrown around as often as “triangle.” And he has, by any measure, given Jackson that autonomy. He has stayed out of the way.

But for how much longer?

Now we hear, after another lost season, that Rambis is supposed to be some kind of answer with the Knicks. Maybe so. But if so, what’s the question? The Knicks were 22-22 in January and have been 8-26 since then, first with Fisher, then with Rambis. Say it again: There really hasn’t been two years like this for a rookie executive since John Idzik.

Kurt Rambis now says Derek Fisher gave up on the triangle too quickly. Wait, that’s a bad thing?

Who is Wright for Knicks, Tom's swan song & Happy B-Day, Zach!

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You have to love the back-channel trashing of Tom Thibodeau by all the FOPs – Friends of Phil – out there.

Jay Wright is probably too smart to take the gig, but doesn’t anybody wonder if he could do for the Knicks what Brad Stevens has done for the Celtics?

Or would Jay be too much of a square for, well, a triangle world?

This isn't a Hate article, this is Hardcore facts and reality. Phil has done nothing significant other then KP.

I just don't think your going to get any desirable FA here using the triangle as a pitch. Everybody knows the ball ended up in Kobe or MJ's hand going One on One.

I just think phil will do a another C+ job this off season and Dolan (not melo) will have seen enough. Phil will then step down for family and health reasons.

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4/10/2016  2:22 PM
I also think making significant changes to this roster, will be another 2 yr learning curb. It needs to be limited to 2 or 3 players at best, really only two rotation p;ayers
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4/10/2016  3:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/10/2016  3:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
So two years into this with Phil Jackson we are somehow still talking about an offense out of the past and not a basketball team built for the present, and the future, in the NBA.

Kurt Rambis, who clearly will have a job with Jackson in basketball as long as Jackson still has one, was the one doing the talking about the triangle in Philadelphia on Friday.

“We didn’t fully immerse ourselves into practicing (the triangle while Derek Fisher was coach), developing it, learning how to work with it, going through the breakdown drills to execute it properly,” Rambis says. “We kind of skirted over things. So the real learning process of it didn’t have enough time to take place. We also didn’t allow the players the kind of time that it needs to allow them to get comfortable with it.”

Well, there’s your recruiting pitch right there for free agents: Come and run an offense that Phil Jackson thinks is a surefire winner in the modern NBA and the rest of the league looks at like it’s an eight-track tape player. And don’t worry……it will only take you a year or two to get comfortable in it!

Then Rambis talked about how all you have to do is open your mind to the triangle and be receptive to it, as if it’s like some kind of cult we’re talking about instead of an offense that once – and only — flourished when Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant ended up with the ball.

Remember those first heady days when Jackson came back to New York – a city he’d left 40 years ago — and was really supposed to be on his way back to the Canyon of Heroes? Spike Lee actually did an in-house film on the triangle and pitched it as not just being an offense, but a way of life?

Boy, those were the days.

Now the question has to be asked, as the Knicks show that the real basketball cult at the Garden is the cult of missing the playoffs, something they now do for the 11th time in 15 years, a period when they have won one division title and one playoff series, is this question right here:

Can James L. Dolan actually think this is working?

Better yet, who at the Garden is telling Dolan this is working, other than Jackson, who has had two significant accomplishments in his time back in New York, drafting Kristaps Porzingis and getting paid?

Maybe this is the best question of all: When does Dolan start to think he’s getting played here?

For the last time, this is one Knicks’ fans can’t put on Dolan, because he so clearly gave them what they wanted when he hired Jackson for five years and $60 million to be the Knicks new Savior in Chief. People were begging Dolan to bring Jackson back, if not to coach the Knicks then to do something to restore them to past glory. The late Dave DeBusschere had run the Knicks a long time ago. Capt. Willis Reed had coached them. Now Jackson, a guy off the bench in the glory years who had gone on to win 11 titles in Chicago and Los Angeles, was going to be the last guy attached to those glory years to try to make the Knicks a winner again.

Not only was Jackson going to do that, he was going to change the whole culture at the Garden, open up the windows, let everybody breathe, make the whole place more accessible than a house tour. How’s that working out? Jackson is more available sending Woodstock spring-break pictures on Twitter than he is to the people covering the team.

Now he’s got a coach, Rambis, whose greatest skill so far seems to be as a teacher’s pet, talking about the previous coach, Derek Fisher. You’ve got an affable guy who’s 9-17 with the Knicks doing the team president’s bidding and pointing a finger at the coach who was 40-96 with the Knicks, even as there are all these colander-like leaks coming out of this brand-spanking-new culture saying that Jackson wants to bring Rambis back.

Kurt Rambis is Phil Jackson's man. But should he be?
NOAH GRAHAM/NBAE/GETTY IMAGES
Kurt Rambis is Phil Jackson's man. But should he be?
And why? Because Jackson’s coaching tree looks like a tree without leaves in the winter, that’s why, and Rambis is the best of His Guys available. But shouldn’t this be about the Best Guy? Or does hiring somebody outside the cult of the triangle not fit the narrative that Phil’s way is still the only way and best way in the NBA?

For a couple of years, there has been another narrative being pushed inside the Garden: That Jackson and Steve Mills, for some reason still the general manager of the team, were going to deliver Durant to the Knicks. Once the pipe dream here was about LeBron. Now Durant. Trust me, there are people in the league who believe that once Steve Kerr turned down the Knicks and went with the Warriors instead – wow, go figure – that Fisher became the logical choice because he had been a former teammate of Durant’s.

But if Durant isn’t part of a long-range plan here, with Carmelo Anthony about to turn 32 next month, you wonder what the long-range plan actually is, other than Phil continuing to be the Garden’s resident genius, just without an executive portfolio. Dolan said he would stay out of Jackson’s way, back when the word “autonomy” was being thrown around as often as “triangle.” And he has, by any measure, given Jackson that autonomy. He has stayed out of the way.

But for how much longer?

Now we hear, after another lost season, that Rambis is supposed to be some kind of answer with the Knicks. Maybe so. But if so, what’s the question? The Knicks were 22-22 in January and have been 8-26 since then, first with Fisher, then with Rambis. Say it again: There really hasn’t been two years like this for a rookie executive since John Idzik.

Kurt Rambis now says Derek Fisher gave up on the triangle too quickly. Wait, that’s a bad thing?

Who is Wright for Knicks, Tom's swan song & Happy B-Day, Zach!

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You have to love the back-channel trashing of Tom Thibodeau by all the FOPs – Friends of Phil – out there.

Jay Wright is probably too smart to take the gig, but doesn’t anybody wonder if he could do for the Knicks what Brad Stevens has done for the Celtics?

Or would Jay be too much of a square for, well, a triangle world?

This isn't a Hate article, this is Hardcore facts and reality. Phil has done nothing significant other then KP.

I just don't think your going to get any desirable FA here using the triangle as a pitch. Everybody knows the ball ended up in Kobe or MJ's hand going One on One.

I just think phil will do a another C+ job this off season and Dolan (not melo) will have seen enough. Phil will then step down for family and health reasons.

Well last year was his year of breaking the team down and getting rid of any and all bad contracts and bad people off this team which he did with getting rid of JR Smith, Bargs, T.Chandler, R.Felton and Shump so in his first year (this year) of building this team he's added two significant pieces in KP and Rolo.......doesn't seem too bad to me. Can't wait to see what he can do in his 2nd year of building this team back up.

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4/10/2016  4:59 PM
Fair article. Who wrote this, out of curiosity?

Not only Dolan, but I wonder when Melo starts to feel he's given away the second half of his career only trying to cement Phil's Legacy. Funny thing is, if Phil had never taken the Knicks job, his legacy would be untouchable.

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4/10/2016  5:01 PM
crzymdups wrote:Fair article. Who wrote this, out of curiosity?

Not only Dolan, but I wonder when Melo starts to feel he's given away the second half of his career only trying to cement Phil's Legacy. Funny thing is, if Phil had never taken the Knicks job, his legacy would be untouchable.

I'm guessing Mike Lupica.

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4/10/2016  5:33 PM
WP76 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Fair article. Who wrote this, out of curiosity?

Not only Dolan, but I wonder when Melo starts to feel he's given away the second half of his career only trying to cement Phil's Legacy. Funny thing is, if Phil had never taken the Knicks job, his legacy would be untouchable.

I'm guessing Mike Lupica.


Lupica did write it.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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4/10/2016  6:39 PM
seems like the first half of this article is missing which has more valid triangle slams.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/10/2016  7:58 PM
So typical of the Media to have this kind of take at this stage of the process of building the team. Phil is really just getting started so what's the freakin problem? Why can't he be allowed to finish building his team his way? That's why they give these GM's/Presidents 5 year deals.

As for the Triangle offense comments, I'm simply tired of the constant BS from people regarding the offense. Just remember no one liked the offense back when he was winning titles either! They made their jokes and didn't respect him until he won and they couldn't talk Ish anymore. It's just another petty way to bash him while they can. If the team is winning games no one says ISH!

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nixluva wrote:So typical of the Media to have this kind of take at this stage of the process of building the team. Phil is really just getting started so what's the freakin problem? Why can't he be allowed to finish building his team his way? That's why they give these GM's/Presidents 5 year deals.

As for the Triangle offense comments, I'm simply tired of the constant BS from people regarding the offense. Just remember no one liked the offense back when he was winning titles either! They made their jokes and didn't respect him until he won and they couldn't talk Ish anymore. It's just another petty way to bash him while they can. If the team is winning games no one says ISH!

That's right. It's sports. If you're winning no one says ISH! If you're losing... people question what you're doing.

Isn't that pretty obvious?

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4/10/2016  8:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/10/2016  8:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
So two years into this with Phil Jackson we are somehow still talking about an offense out of the past and not a basketball team built for the present, and the future, in the NBA.

Kurt Rambis, who clearly will have a job with Jackson in basketball as long as Jackson still has one, was the one doing the talking about the triangle in Philadelphia on Friday.

“We didn’t fully immerse ourselves into practicing (the triangle while Derek Fisher was coach), developing it, learning how to work with it, going through the breakdown drills to execute it properly,” Rambis says. “We kind of skirted over things. So the real learning process of it didn’t have enough time to take place. We also didn’t allow the players the kind of time that it needs to allow them to get comfortable with it.”

Well, there’s your recruiting pitch right there for free agents: Come and run an offense that Phil Jackson thinks is a surefire winner in the modern NBA and the rest of the league looks at like it’s an eight-track tape player. And don’t worry……it will only take you a year or two to get comfortable in it!

Then Rambis talked about how all you have to do is open your mind to the triangle and be receptive to it, as if it’s like some kind of cult we’re talking about instead of an offense that once – and only — flourished when Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant ended up with the ball.

Remember those first heady days when Jackson came back to New York – a city he’d left 40 years ago — and was really supposed to be on his way back to the Canyon of Heroes? Spike Lee actually did an in-house film on the triangle and pitched it as not just being an offense, but a way of life?

Boy, those were the days.

Now the question has to be asked, as the Knicks show that the real basketball cult at the Garden is the cult of missing the playoffs, something they now do for the 11th time in 15 years, a period when they have won one division title and one playoff series, is this question right here:

Can James L. Dolan actually think this is working?

Better yet, who at the Garden is telling Dolan this is working, other than Jackson, who has had two significant accomplishments in his time back in New York, drafting Kristaps Porzingis and getting paid?

Maybe this is the best question of all: When does Dolan start to think he’s getting played here?

For the last time, this is one Knicks’ fans can’t put on Dolan, because he so clearly gave them what they wanted when he hired Jackson for five years and $60 million to be the Knicks new Savior in Chief. People were begging Dolan to bring Jackson back, if not to coach the Knicks then to do something to restore them to past glory. The late Dave DeBusschere had run the Knicks a long time ago. Capt. Willis Reed had coached them. Now Jackson, a guy off the bench in the glory years who had gone on to win 11 titles in Chicago and Los Angeles, was going to be the last guy attached to those glory years to try to make the Knicks a winner again.

Not only was Jackson going to do that, he was going to change the whole culture at the Garden, open up the windows, let everybody breathe, make the whole place more accessible than a house tour. How’s that working out? Jackson is more available sending Woodstock spring-break pictures on Twitter than he is to the people covering the team.

Now he’s got a coach, Rambis, whose greatest skill so far seems to be as a teacher’s pet, talking about the previous coach, Derek Fisher. You’ve got an affable guy who’s 9-17 with the Knicks doing the team president’s bidding and pointing a finger at the coach who was 40-96 with the Knicks, even as there are all these colander-like leaks coming out of this brand-spanking-new culture saying that Jackson wants to bring Rambis back.

Kurt Rambis is Phil Jackson's man. But should he be?
NOAH GRAHAM/NBAE/GETTY IMAGES
Kurt Rambis is Phil Jackson's man. But should he be?
And why? Because Jackson’s coaching tree looks like a tree without leaves in the winter, that’s why, and Rambis is the best of His Guys available. But shouldn’t this be about the Best Guy? Or does hiring somebody outside the cult of the triangle not fit the narrative that Phil’s way is still the only way and best way in the NBA?

For a couple of years, there has been another narrative being pushed inside the Garden: That Jackson and Steve Mills, for some reason still the general manager of the team, were going to deliver Durant to the Knicks. Once the pipe dream here was about LeBron. Now Durant. Trust me, there are people in the league who believe that once Steve Kerr turned down the Knicks and went with the Warriors instead – wow, go figure – that Fisher became the logical choice because he had been a former teammate of Durant’s.

But if Durant isn’t part of a long-range plan here, with Carmelo Anthony about to turn 32 next month, you wonder what the long-range plan actually is, other than Phil continuing to be the Garden’s resident genius, just without an executive portfolio. Dolan said he would stay out of Jackson’s way, back when the word “autonomy” was being thrown around as often as “triangle.” And he has, by any measure, given Jackson that autonomy. He has stayed out of the way.

But for how much longer?

Now we hear, after another lost season, that Rambis is supposed to be some kind of answer with the Knicks. Maybe so. But if so, what’s the question? The Knicks were 22-22 in January and have been 8-26 since then, first with Fisher, then with Rambis. Say it again: There really hasn’t been two years like this for a rookie executive since John Idzik.

Kurt Rambis now says Derek Fisher gave up on the triangle too quickly. Wait, that’s a bad thing?

Who is Wright for Knicks, Tom's swan song & Happy B-Day, Zach!

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You have to love the back-channel trashing of Tom Thibodeau by all the FOPs – Friends of Phil – out there.

Jay Wright is probably too smart to take the gig, but doesn’t anybody wonder if he could do for the Knicks what Brad Stevens has done for the Celtics?

Or would Jay be too much of a square for, well, a triangle world?

This isn't a Hate article, this is Hardcore facts and reality. Phil has done nothing significant other then KP.

I just don't think your going to get any desirable FA here using the triangle as a pitch. Everybody knows the ball ended up in Kobe or MJ's hand going One on One.

I just think phil will do a another C+ job this off season and Dolan (not melo) will have seen enough. Phil will then step down for family and health reasons.

wow lupica is a PUNK. total garbage. shame on you for posting it.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/10/2016  10:07 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:So typical of the Media to have this kind of take at this stage of the process of building the team. Phil is really just getting started so what's the freakin problem? Why can't he be allowed to finish building his team his way? That's why they give these GM's/Presidents 5 year deals.

As for the Triangle offense comments, I'm simply tired of the constant BS from people regarding the offense. Just remember no one liked the offense back when he was winning titles either! They made their jokes and didn't respect him until he won and they couldn't talk Ish anymore. It's just another petty way to bash him while they can. If the team is winning games no one says ISH!

That's right. It's sports. If you're winning no one says ISH! If you're losing... people question what you're doing.

Isn't that pretty obvious?


Should they tho? In a vacuum sure that would make perfect sense, but we all know what is going on here. Phil made major changes to the team this summer and added drafted players to the mix. It's not like everything has sucked this year from the start. There were some promising points in the season before things went south following Melo's trip over the ref.

Things actually looked OK up to this point in the year. Some aspects of what Phil has done are actually good and there are signs of progress. We all know this team needs better guard play. No team can win without quality guard play. NO MATTER WHAT OFFENSE THEY RUN!!! You take away any team's top guards and you'll see that team have issues. We have had spotty to awful guard play much of the year and it's held the team back. Now Phil can focus on that aspect of the team. That itself is a sign of some progress that Phil has made with the roster.

IMO it's not that hard to imagine an improved team next year from what we saw this year.

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4/10/2016  10:27 PM
Tonight's game was the same thing we've seen over and over this year. Through grit, hustle, and determination, we put ourselves in position to win in the last couple of minutes. The difference is that we were playing a team that knows how to finish and we're a team that doesn't. I don't know if the answer is different players, coaches, or greater continuity among the existing players. Bottom line is losers find ways to lose and that's pretty much where we are right now.
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WP76 wrote:Tonight's game was the same thing we've seen over and over this year. Through grit, hustle, and determination, we put ourselves in position to win in the last couple of minutes. The difference is that we were playing a team that knows how to finish and we're a team that doesn't. I don't know if the answer is different players, coaches, or greater continuity among the existing players. Bottom line is losers find ways to lose and that's pretty much where we are right now.

Yes teams have to learn how to win. Some continuity, development of youth, along with added Talent is the key IMO. That was the Raptors at one time in their development too. They've been allowed to develop over time.


Season Team W L W/L% Finish SRS Pace ORtg DRtg Playoffs Coaches Top WS
2015-16 Toronto Raptors* 53 26 .671 1 4.03 92.9 109.8 105.3 D. Casey (53-26)
2014-15 Toronto Raptors* 49 33 .598 1 2.45 92.8 111.0 107.7 Lost E. Conf. 1st Rnd. D. Casey (49-33)
2013-14 Toronto Raptors* 48 34 .585 1 2.55 91.8 108.8 105.3 Lost E. Conf. 1st Rnd. D. Casey (48-34)
2012-13 Toronto Raptors 34 48 .415 5 -1.96 90.4 105.9 107.5 D. Casey (34-48)
2011-12 Toronto Raptors 23 43 .348 4 -3.67 89.3 100.8 104.5 D. Casey (23-43)

Sometimes teams develop when you keep working with the talent and developing them. We have to allow time for this Knicks team to learn how to win as well as be upgraded in terms of talent.

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4/11/2016  7:59 AM
Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.

MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?

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jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.

MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?

Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.

People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?

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4/11/2016  10:17 AM
WP76 wrote:Tonight's game was the same thing we've seen over and over this year. Through grit, hustle, and determination, we put ourselves in position to win in the last couple of minutes. The difference is that we were playing a team that knows how to finish and we're a team that doesn't. I don't know if the answer is different players, coaches, or greater continuity among the existing players. Bottom line is losers find ways to lose and that's pretty much where we are right now.

Kurt called timeouts (3) down the stretch that and rand the exact same play, which was grant getting to the hole and creating contact. Please tell me why you had to call a timeout for that, why would you let the defense set.

We didn't lose the game because of guard play, we lost the game because of the game plan down the stretch.

A good coach can take a avg talented team and get to them to the bottom of the playoff standings,

A bad coach needs a super talent roster to get 45 wins

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4/11/2016  10:27 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.

MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?

Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.

People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?

IM seeing a lot of articles stretching the "Phil and Rambis are Friends" concept and thinking knicks fans "Deserve" more and Dolan should intercede. Araton has a similar take today. The regurgitation of "Masai Ujiri" was based on a very loose concept with a few degrees of separation and once sent out a times it starts to look like a legit rumor.

Kerr won without Jackson is correct. He won with Pop. Shaq did win without Phil is also correct, he won with Riley.

Grant made it to the finals. They lost to the Rockets. Lets be real, it was not about Horace was it?
YOu can spin this anyway you want.

You can even say "Phil didn't win a chip 9 times!!! He FAILED" 9 times in 20 years. Connect those dots Chuck.

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4/11/2016  10:29 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.

MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?

Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.

People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?

it's typical tabloid fodder, meant to stir the pot of discontent, with no balance. why can't we allow a two-year plan to unfold in two years? if the knicks are not showing promise a year from now i will understand. right now all this hollering makes no sense.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/11/2016  12:06 PM
dk7th wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.

MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?

Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.

People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?

it's typical tabloid fodder, meant to stir the pot of discontent, with no balance. why can't we allow a two-year plan to unfold in two years? if the knicks are not showing promise a year from now i will understand. right now all this hollering makes no sense.


+1 This.

The rest of "us" thank you.

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4/11/2016  12:07 PM
Nalod wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yeah, Phil Jackson's a retard. Thank you, Michael (I major in writing cutesy sports books and rant articles) Lupica. Fortunately for the NYC public, you sound dumber on the radio than you do in print. At least we can just change the station, and nobody bothers to post your pathetic NBA broadcast stupidity on the UK.

MJ and Kobe could win tons of chips with any coach and any system because that's what they did without PJax, right? Right?

Shaq and Steve Kerr won without Phil Jackson. Horace Grant made it to an NBA Finals without Phil Jackson.

People here think that Michael Lupica is biased against the Knicks and Phil and are trying to spin a terrible 2 and half year regime under Phil Jackson for some reason. What reason does he have to? This guys has wrote a bajillion books over the years, been on the Sports Reports show forever. Just Maybe, he's just calling it like he (and alot of us) are seeing it?

IM seeing a lot of articles stretching the "Phil and Rambis are Friends" concept and thinking knicks fans "Deserve" more and Dolan should intercede. Araton has a similar take today. The regurgitation of "Masai Ujiri" was based on a very loose concept with a few degrees of separation and once sent out a times it starts to look like a legit rumor.

Kerr won without Jackson is correct. He won with Pop. Shaq did win without Phil is also correct, he won with Riley.

Grant made it to the finals. They lost to the Rockets. Lets be real, it was not about Horace was it?
YOu can spin this anyway you want.

You can even say "Phil didn't win a chip 9 times!!! He FAILED" 9 times in 20 years. Connect those dots Chuck.

the only dots ChuckB can bother to connect:

Melo ............... Chicago
Melo ............... Houston
Melo ............... Boston
Melo ............... LA
Melo ............... Bulgaria

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