callmened wrote:no i agree with you and ive been preaching this for months.

im no expert on reading the future but i think:
- melo STAYS in ny (and wastes another yr of his prime
- KP gets better and robin continues to be solid
- rambis will be the coach next season
- mediocre talent like BJennings or MCW come
- wroten gets a shot at PG (but doesnt really impress due to loss of athleticism)

Overall - 30-35win team that misses playoffs BUT gets another lottery pick

how awful is it to win 35 games and get a weak lottery pick? Better to win 10 games.

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:no i agree with you and ive been preaching this for months.

im no expert on reading the future but i think:
- melo STAYS in ny (and wastes another yr of his prime
- KP gets better and robin continues to be solid
- rambis will be the coach next season
- mediocre talent like BJennings or MCW come
- wroten gets a shot at PG (but doesnt really impress due to loss of athleticism)

Overall - 30-35win team that misses playoffs BUT gets another lottery pick

how awful is it to win 35 games and get a weak lottery pick? Better to win 10 games.

agreed! awful

If the Knicks strike out in FA look for more of the same a team caught in the middle of the draft. This is exactly the same position that the Knicks were in when their slide to the bottom of the league began. Only difference is KP might be a building block which the Knicks didn't have in the past.

I also can't see Melo waiving the NTC no matter how badly things go this or any off season goes.

Here are all the NO-EFFORT defensive Knick players ...
ISO-Melo never gets back on defense quick enough to be a defensive threat,
KP is a PROJECT that is clueless of being a big-man in the paint .. Im happy i BOOOED him on draft night.
Afflalo talent is a inconsistent NBA minimum salary bench player
Calderon is the 3rd PG u bring off the bench
D.Will is a 18 minute wing bench player u hope is hot
Early talent is specifically D.League product for the next 2 years

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:no i agree with you and ive been preaching this for months.

im no expert on reading the future but i think:
- melo STAYS in ny (and wastes another yr of his prime
- KP gets better and robin continues to be solid
- rambis will be the coach next season
- mediocre talent like BJennings or MCW come
- wroten gets a shot at PG (but doesnt really impress due to loss of athleticism)

Overall - 30-35win team that misses playoffs BUT gets another lottery pick

how awful is it to win 35 games and get a weak lottery pick? Better to win 10 games.

Been saying for the longest. If you're going to rebuild, go full retard. Not this in and out bullshyt the Knicks are doing. As long we're trying to get half assed vets appeasing Melo's prime, we can't rebuild properly.

We got 1 and half building blocks with KP and Jerian, now we just gotta fill it with more blue chips stocks. Only way is to Sam Hinkie tank it, but to eventually cash in on free agency hopefully in 2017 and 2018.

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:Free agency will decide the course of action. If the Knicks haul is that of marginal players I can't see the Knicks doing well next year. The big problem is the Knicks are to heavily reliant on Melo and he can't and won't play in almost 10-15 games next year. Phil will have to add an alpha player the renders Melo to second third option.

If the Knicks strike out in FA look for more of the same a team caught in the middle of the draft. This is exactly the same position that the Knicks were in when their slide to the bottom of the league began. Only difference is KP might be a building block which the Knicks didn't have in the past.

I also can't see Melo waiving the NTC no matter how badly things go this or any off season goes.

Why is this so difficult for some in here to understand? Where's Melo going? LA? One team is worse than us and the other is one CP3 injury away from falling apart. Houston is a train wreck, and the Bulls window is rapidly closing.

Actually just responding to this just to keep Kemet's ESL posts from being the last thing this thread sees.

I do think there is a decent market for Melo and enough teams that need to shake things up. The "Shyt Flies" thread I put up a few scenarios that could work. They are just concepts I drew up.
One can see that Melo would be very careful as to how it comes about. I can see phil taking it in the chin to move the team forward. Phil has a big ego that that Zen stuff also allows him to absorb some blows if he thinks down the road its the best thing. Read Phil's books, you'll understand.

I can only imagine when Melo resigned here that he and phil would have discussed how they would move on if mutually agreed upon.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:Free agency will decide the course of action. If the Knicks haul is that of marginal players I can't see the Knicks doing well next year. The big problem is the Knicks are to heavily reliant on Melo and he can't and won't play in almost 10-15 games next year. Phil will have to add an alpha player the renders Melo to second third option.

If the Knicks strike out in FA look for more of the same a team caught in the middle of the draft. This is exactly the same position that the Knicks were in when their slide to the bottom of the league began. Only difference is KP might be a building block which the Knicks didn't have in the past.

I also can't see Melo waiving the NTC no matter how badly things go this or any off season goes.

Why is this so difficult for some in here to understand? Where's Melo going? LA? One team is worse than us and the other is one CP3 injury away from falling apart. Houston is a train wreck, and the Bulls window is rapidly closing.

Actually just responding to this just to keep Kemet's ESL posts from being the last thing this thread sees.

I do think there is a decent market for Melo and enough teams that need to shake things up. The "Shyt Flies" thread I put up a few scenarios that could work. They are just concepts I drew up.
One can see that Melo would be very careful as to how it comes about. I can see phil taking it in the chin to move the team forward. Phil has a big ego that that Zen stuff also allows him to absorb some blows if he thinks down the road its the best thing. Read Phil's books, you'll understand.

I can only imagine when Melo resigned here that he and phil would have discussed how they would move on if mutually agreed upon.

Nalod Imaginary World, the take we don't like:

Phil: So, you really won't sign without the NTC?
Melo: Yup Yup. Kid likes it here, LaLa likes the glitz, it's good for her. The two coast thing is actually good for my brand.
Phil: Got me in a tough spot.
Melo: Seriously? You the one playing with Dleague rejects and missing the playoffs?
Phil: Easy, big fella. Not saying I won't cooperate.
Melo: Hey, don't forget, I forced my way here...booooohaaahhaaahaaa
Phil: So what if you see things not turning around fast enough? Any chance there's a path to enlightenment?
Melo: I seen Denver already, ZenMan
Phil: But I'm talking LA or Chitown or...
Melo: Please don't say Boston. In case you haven't been following, already did the wine and dine thing, Prez. It's over.
Phil: So you're really here for the duration?
Melo: We all must learn from the past, MushroomMan.
Phil: What about OKC?
Melo: I ain't pulling a Ewing. If my friends come, they come. If they don't, they don't. Either way, I'm here, I'm fortunate. You feelin' that?
Phil: Alright, sign...[sigh]

You forget the parenthesis next to the Phil lines (Dolan off screen with gun pointed to Jeannie's head continually whispering into Phil's ear piece "Sign him" "Sign him" "Sign him")