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raven
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7/28/2004  6:05 AM
he could be a nice addition off the bench. He had a bad season due to an injury, I'd bet is ready to rebound.

Split the mle obetween him and baker and our paint is much better than the one we had last yr at the same date.

what do you guys think about it ?
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Bonn1997
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7/28/2004  9:06 AM
That's a nice backup plan, but for now I'd rather wait to see what happens with Dampier. Damps even said he might be forced to take the MLE for 2 years.
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7/28/2004  10:43 AM
A rotation of Klark and Dampier at the front line is possible and dangerous. At the PF position, we can also have a rotation of Sweetney and Vinny. Can you imagine how potent of a team we can be?????

Marburry/Barret/Penny
Houston/Crawff/E Rob/Penny
TT/Ariza/Demarr/Penny/JYD
Sweetney/Vinny/JYD
Dampier/Clark/Vinny
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Bonn1997
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7/28/2004  12:04 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Knicks to get Dampier AND Keon Clark AND Vin Baker.
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7/28/2004  12:12 PM
Clark has never done it for me. Good athlete but he's just too unskilled.
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Bonn1997
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7/28/2004  12:18 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Clark has never done it for me. Good athlete but he's just too unskilled.
I don't think he's unskilled. I think you can get a respectable scorer who's a good rebounder, shot-blocker, and defender in him if he's healthy. By no means is he a star, but I think he can help a lot of teams if he returns healthy.
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7/28/2004  12:20 PM
as a role player, Clark can be effective...especially on a team that's lacking any athleticism in their frontcourt.
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7/28/2004  12:25 PM
I'm with Fish on this one. Clark is unskilled - he has no post moves and can't really shoot outside of 3 feet. He can block shots and rebound decently, but he doesn't have the build or durability to be consistent. To me, his select defensive abilities don't compensate for his offensive incompetence.
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7/28/2004  12:52 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

I'm with Fish on this one. Clark is unskilled - he has no post moves and can't really shoot outside of 3 feet. He can block shots and rebound decently, but he doesn't have the build or durability to be consistent. To me, his select defensive abilities don't compensate for his offensive incompetence.

Offensive incompetence? That's a absurd exaggeration. The only time he got starter's minutes, he averaged 11 pts a game. He's not great on offense, but he's NOT a LIABILITY, either, especially if you can get good point production from other players like the Knicks can. No one's talking about giving him more than maybe 2 or 2.5 mil per year (and only if we can't get Dampier and only if the team doctors evaluate him and think he's recovered)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/28/2004 12:53:14]
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7/28/2004  1:04 PM
what are people bringing up Keon Clark's offensive abilities anyway? everyone knows his value to a team is in his athleticism, shotblocking, running the floor & finishing on the fastbreak...the Knicks could use all of that.
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7/28/2004  1:07 PM
Offensive incompetence? That's a absurd exaggeration.

Ok, he can dunk. Other than that, he's a shameless, pathetically uncoordinated, disgustingly unskilled, poorly conditioned, mentally challenged offensive player that prides himself on being a gigantic Lenin look-alike with bug eyes and elf ears.
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7/28/2004  1:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

what are people bringing up Keon Clark's offensive abilities anyway? everyone knows his value to a team is in his athleticism, shotblocking, running the floor & finishing on the fastbreak...the Knicks could use all of that.
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7/28/2004  1:17 PM
If he is healthy he could be a good addition to this team. I don't think why are we talking so much about his offensive game as if he would come here to start and become a force with the Knicks in the East. That's not the case. He would come here as a role player to help us mainly on defense and rebounding. Offensively he would mainly help us on offensive rebound putbacks and in the transition because, if healthy, he is very athletic. He can definitely help us if he comes cheap and is healthy. The question is: would he come here? I think we tried in the past to land him but he didn't want to.
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7/28/2004  1:30 PM
Honestly, its not that I hate Keon, but I think our funds could be put to better use. Keon is ... ok --- there i SAID IT. Realistically speaking, though, he can't guard any position since hes like a toothpick on a wire stand. If we get JYD from Chicago, then I would rather not waste money which could be used to ... I dont know, bring Marv back to MSG.
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7/28/2004  2:07 PM
Keon Clark is a perfect fit off the bench especially in the East, he had a very productive regular season with the Kings two years ago, and then was shipped to Utah, which is not an ideal destination. We are talking about a role player off the bench not a starter, he would provide something the Knicks haven't had since Camby. He is active on the glass, can block shots, and plays above the rim. Dampier or no Dampier he is a nice fit. The knicks are building themselves into an athletic hard nosed team, to say he is unskilled is inaccurate. How many bigs in the NBA really are skilled around the basketball at the 5, very few.....Add him to the mix with whomever Isiah gets and the knicks are one of the top 5 in the conference. Imagine the rebounding edge putting JYD at the 3, Sweet at the Four and Keon off the bench....u udgrade when you can, and this is not a shandon anderson like commitment. This is filling a whole for a year....
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7/28/2004  3:47 PM
Look if NY makes no trades, there is no room for him. If ny trades Mutombo, and Mohammed and gets Dampier, I would take him as a backup for the LLE. Clark was a monster for Wilkens in Toronto. Ok Monster is not the right word, but he had his best season. The thing is the guy is a stoner, so ......who knows how dedicated he is and what his influence on Baker could be.
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7/28/2004  4:10 PM
The entire NBA is high, that has nothing to do with performance as long as they are no smoking during games. Isiah will get crawford one way or the other, and clark would then be a nice fit, although i am not sold on Naz he is boring and doesn't have big games against talented big men
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7/28/2004  4:24 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Look if NY makes no trades, there is no room for him.
Unless Trybanski is traded this summer, he should be waived. His expiring contract is so small that it's not going to be very useful by the Feb trade deadline; I'd rather have one more roster spot to pick up a player that went undrafted or sign someone like Keon Clark. (Of course I'd rather see Moochi and Shandon waived if they're not traded but it's not realistic to expect Dolan to throw away that much money.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/28/2004 16:27:50]
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7/28/2004  4:30 PM
I like Keon, as long as Damps is off the market. But until Damps signs, the Knicks need to hold their MLE just in case. If Keon would take the LLE right now, I have no problem signing him up.

He is unskilled on offense, but he's more skilled than say, Chris Andersen who everyone wanted. He's not on the wrong side of 30 yet and it was only two years ago when people were saying the Kings made the signing of the off season by adding Keon for the full MLE.

He's a shot blocker, which other than insurance for Allan is the most glaring need on this team. Sign him up, only after we've exhausted attempts for Damps.
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7/28/2004  4:39 PM
i think i'd rather had keon than mutumbo. hes can at least be a shotblocker, which we desparately need. its not like we need more scorers. if we trade mutumbo or nazr, ya gotta believe isiah will consider him.
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