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mreinman
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3/13/2016  11:53 PM
that was a pretty end.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/13/2016  11:54 PM
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3/13/2016  11:57 PM
After that brutal first half the 4th Quarter was amazing. Nice to see Melo play like that. Gives me hope for the next season. He just had that extra gear when it mattered. You wonder whether he still has that some times, but in a big setting (last game against Kobe) he stepped up.

Considering the Knicks were without their 2nd best player I am happy we won this one. We didn't shoot the ball well at all. However liked the job we did on Russell. Russell had been tearing it up against many teams this past few weeks and we completely shut him down.

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3/13/2016  11:57 PM
Laker defender seemed to pull back from Jose to give him that open look.

Not sure what guys are thinking, sometimes.

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3/14/2016  12:00 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Laker defender seemed to pull back from Jose to give him that open look.

Not sure what guys are thinking, sometimes.

He was thinking don't foul they only need a 2 and Jose sucks this year- but Jose pulled it out and hit a prideful game winner that made him and us feel better about a good game at the end of a rough season.

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3/14/2016  12:01 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Laker defender seemed to pull back from Jose to give him that open look.

Not sure what guys are thinking, sometimes.

Jose ball-faked a pass to Afflalo and the defender jumped on the ball fake.

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3/14/2016  12:02 AM
Sasha isn't a dependable shooter but he does really important things on offense and he brings energy on both ends. He's playing at a different speed from the other Knicks. Wish we could bottle that aspect of him.
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3/14/2016  12:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2016  12:04 AM
93BUICK wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Laker defender seemed to pull back from Jose to give him that open look.

Not sure what guys are thinking, sometimes.

He was thinking don't foul they only need a 2 and Jose sucks this year- but Jose pulled it out and hit a prideful game winner that made him and us feel better about a good game at the end of a rough season.

Even a good defender would've bit on that right handed drive, stop and pop move......Most right handed shooters prefer to dribble right then left. Takes a special player with length to stop that move. The defender was too small and late to react. Thats why I always keep my right hand up, to guard that stop and pop move.

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3/14/2016  12:05 AM
nixluva wrote:Sasha isn't a dependable shooter but he does really important things on offense and he brings energy on both ends. He's playing at a different speed from the other Knicks. Wish we could bottle that aspect of him.

Sasha does everything well but the one thing you would think he could do - shoot consistently well. Looking at his career percentages even sounds about right. He moves the ball well, he moves into the open spots in the Triangle very well, he tries and works very hard on defense. He literally does everything you want Afflalo doing. He just doesn't shoot the ball well. Rushes his shot or whatever the reason. We'd be really wise to find someone like him at the 2 guard, only with better shot making percentages. I'm trying to think of who is a free agent who may qualify. How is Brazemore's defense?

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3/14/2016  12:06 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:After that brutal first half the 4th Quarter was amazing. Nice to see Melo play like that. Gives me hope for the next season. He just had that extra gear when it mattered. You wonder whether he still has that some times, but in a big setting (last game against Kobe) he stepped up.

Considering the Knicks were without their 2nd best player I am happy we won this one. We didn't shoot the ball well at all. However liked the job we did on Russell. Russell had been tearing it up against many teams this past few weeks and we completely shut him down.

their second best player is lopez and its not close

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/14/2016  12:08 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:
nixluva wrote:Sasha isn't a dependable shooter but he does really important things on offense and he brings energy on both ends. He's playing at a different speed from the other Knicks. Wish we could bottle that aspect of him.

Sasha does everything well but the one thing you would think he could do - shoot consistently well. Looking at his career percentages even sounds about right. He moves the ball well, he moves into the open spots in the Triangle very well, he tries and works very hard on defense. He literally does everything you want Afflalo doing. He just doesn't shoot the ball well. Rushes his shot or whatever the reason. We'd be really wise to find someone like him at the 2 guard, only with better shot making percentages. I'm trying to think of who is a free agent who may qualify. How is Brazemore's defense?

I think Bazemore can do OK in a team concept. I don't recall feeling like he was special on D. I like him tho. Could be a good fit.

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3/14/2016  12:12 AM
nixluva wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:
nixluva wrote:Sasha isn't a dependable shooter but he does really important things on offense and he brings energy on both ends. He's playing at a different speed from the other Knicks. Wish we could bottle that aspect of him.

Sasha does everything well but the one thing you would think he could do - shoot consistently well. Looking at his career percentages even sounds about right. He moves the ball well, he moves into the open spots in the Triangle very well, he tries and works very hard on defense. He literally does everything you want Afflalo doing. He just doesn't shoot the ball well. Rushes his shot or whatever the reason. We'd be really wise to find someone like him at the 2 guard, only with better shot making percentages. I'm trying to think of who is a free agent who may qualify. How is Brazemore's defense?

I think Bazemore can do OK in a team concept. I don't recall feeling like he was special on D. I like him tho. Could be a good fit.

I liked bazemore but he has came way back down and is now someone that I would be weary of overpaying.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/14/2016  12:16 AM
mreinman wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:After that brutal first half the 4th Quarter was amazing. Nice to see Melo play like that. Gives me hope for the next season. He just had that extra gear when it mattered. You wonder whether he still has that some times, but in a big setting (last game against Kobe) he stepped up.

Considering the Knicks were without their 2nd best player I am happy we won this one. We didn't shoot the ball well at all. However liked the job we did on Russell. Russell had been tearing it up against many teams this past few weeks and we completely shut him down.

their second best player is lopez and its not close


Lopez's PER, On/Off stats, all would disagree with you. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a big Lopez fan. He's a guy who I think is extremely underrated and was a very good Phil Jackson FA signing. However KP's our 2nd shot creator, our biggest mismatch out of Melo. Randle and Bass were getting easy looks inside due to DWill. If KP plays this game, Randle/Bass struggle more. Too many easy looks for them.
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3/14/2016  12:17 AM
crzymdups wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Laker defender seemed to pull back from Jose to give him that open look.

Not sure what guys are thinking, sometimes.

Jose ball-faked a pass to Afflalo and the defender jumped on the ball fake.


Did not see that...was watching on a laptop screen.

Thanks.

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3/14/2016  12:17 AM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:
nixluva wrote:Sasha isn't a dependable shooter but he does really important things on offense and he brings energy on both ends. He's playing at a different speed from the other Knicks. Wish we could bottle that aspect of him.

Sasha does everything well but the one thing you would think he could do - shoot consistently well. Looking at his career percentages even sounds about right. He moves the ball well, he moves into the open spots in the Triangle very well, he tries and works very hard on defense. He literally does everything you want Afflalo doing. He just doesn't shoot the ball well. Rushes his shot or whatever the reason. We'd be really wise to find someone like him at the 2 guard, only with better shot making percentages. I'm trying to think of who is a free agent who may qualify. How is Brazemore's defense?

I think Bazemore can do OK in a team concept. I don't recall feeling like he was special on D. I like him tho. Could be a good fit.

I liked bazemore but he has came way back down and is now someone that I would be weary of overpaying.

I don't know what the market would be for Baze. I wouldn't want to overpay either.

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3/14/2016  12:20 AM
I'm probably in the minority with this, but as the season has winded down, I've become more and more accepting of what Jose can do and what he brings to the table on offense. I feel our bigger weakness is at 2 guard. We need a shot maker there, badly. Jose has good chemistry with many of the guys and his IQ is very obvious. I constantly see a big let down in the offensive execution when Jose sits. I'n not a Jose fan, it's just something I've noticed. I think we're a very good ballhandling guard away from being a playoff lock, but I'm open to it being a 2 or a 1 guard. In the offense we run, I think a 2 guard who can drive, shoot/pull up, spot up, pass, initiate an offense is just as valuable as a traditional point guard. I'm thinking of who would be available in free agency, and Batum comes to mind obviously. So does Fournier, although he is restricted. Eric Gordon's another interesting free agent we may want to look at if it's not at max money.
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3/14/2016  12:22 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:After that brutal first half the 4th Quarter was amazing. Nice to see Melo play like that. Gives me hope for the next season. He just had that extra gear when it mattered. You wonder whether he still has that some times, but in a big setting (last game against Kobe) he stepped up.

Considering the Knicks were without their 2nd best player I am happy we won this one. We didn't shoot the ball well at all. However liked the job we did on Russell. Russell had been tearing it up against many teams this past few weeks and we completely shut him down.

their second best player is lopez and its not close


Lopez's PER, On/Off stats, all would disagree with you. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a big Lopez fan. He's a guy who I think is extremely underrated and was a very good Phil Jackson FA signing. However KP's our 2nd shot creator, our biggest mismatch out of Melo. Randle and Bass were getting easy looks inside due to DWill. If KP plays this game, Randle/Bass struggle more. Too many easy looks for them.

PER is not a respected stat but WS is and lopez' WS has been just flying compared to where he was after his early struggles.

Also, Rolo does one thing that is crucial and the only knick who can do it. SET A DECENT PICK!

KP is nowhere near ROLO right now and KP is really not a good shot creator right now.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/14/2016  12:24 AM
mreinman wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:After that brutal first half the 4th Quarter was amazing. Nice to see Melo play like that. Gives me hope for the next season. He just had that extra gear when it mattered. You wonder whether he still has that some times, but in a big setting (last game against Kobe) he stepped up.

Considering the Knicks were without their 2nd best player I am happy we won this one. We didn't shoot the ball well at all. However liked the job we did on Russell. Russell had been tearing it up against many teams this past few weeks and we completely shut him down.

their second best player is lopez and its not close


Lopez's PER, On/Off stats, all would disagree with you. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a big Lopez fan. He's a guy who I think is extremely underrated and was a very good Phil Jackson FA signing. However KP's our 2nd shot creator, our biggest mismatch out of Melo. Randle and Bass were getting easy looks inside due to DWill. If KP plays this game, Randle/Bass struggle more. Too many easy looks for them.

PER is not a respected stat but WS is and lopez' WS has been just flying compared to where he was after his early struggles.

Also, Rolo does one thing that is crucial and the only knick who can do it. SET A DECENT PICK!

KP is nowhere near ROLO right now and KP is really not a good shot creator right now.

Anyone who thinks that Rolo is not the second best Knick this season needs some glasses and some analytics 101 courses.

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3/14/2016  12:24 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:I'm probably in the minority with this, but as the season has winded down, I've become more and more accepting of what Jose can do and what he brings to the table on offense. I feel our bigger weakness is at 2 guard. We need a shot maker there, badly. Jose has good chemistry with many of the guys and his IQ is very obvious. I constantly see a big let down in the offensive execution when Jose sits. I'n not a Jose fan, it's just something I've noticed. I think we're a very good ballhandling guard away from being a playoff lock, but I'm open to it being a 2 or a 1 guard. In the offense we run, I think a 2 guard who can drive, shoot/pull up, spot up, pass, initiate an offense is just as valuable as a traditional point guard. I'm thinking of who would be available in free agency, and Batum comes to mind obviously. So does Fournier, although he is restricted. Eric Gordon's another interesting free agent we may want to look at if it's not at max money.

he would have to be a star on offense to make up for his PUTRID dee. His offense has been weak at best.

2 guard may be a bigger problem but that just show how glaringly bad our back court is.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/14/2016  12:29 AM
blkexec wrote:
93BUICK wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Laker defender seemed to pull back from Jose to give him that open look.

Not sure what guys are thinking, sometimes.

He was thinking don't foul they only need a 2 and Jose sucks this year- but Jose pulled it out and hit a prideful game winner that made him and us feel better about a good game at the end of a rough season.

Even a good defender would've bit on that right handed drive, stop and pop move......Most right handed shooters prefer to dribble right then left. Takes a special player with length to stop that move. The defender was too small and late to react. Thats why I always keep my right hand up, to guard that stop and pop move.


Did not recognize the move, and mentioned this fact, BUT, you also have to know your opponent and the time constraints he's operating under.

The bad pass to Lopez meant we had no time to take anything more than a 3pt attempt, IMO.

Glad we got such a good look, but I'm still surprised at how good a look it was.

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