crzymdups wrote:Phew! I was worried we were going to try to update the Triangle to adjust to the way the league plays and the way the new rules work! WHAT A RELIEF.

Your mistake, like many others, is that the Triangle needs to be updated by focusing on a Pure PG. That has never been key to the success of the Offense. Unless you think that Phil's Bulls and Lakers teams were flawed because they didn't have signature PG's.

Guards are needed but he's had more success with Combo Guards, Shooting Guards and Small Forwards that have good driving, passing skills and defense.

crzymdups wrote:Phew! I was worried we were going to try to update the Triangle to adjust to the way the league plays and the way the new rules work! WHAT A RELIEF.

LOL. I'm with you on this 100% crzy...Phil comes across as a huge oddball to me every time he opens his mouth now. Real odd duck, I swear. So touchy & defensive. And so rigid and unyielding--his way or the highway, you know? He can criticize people until the cows come home--in his book, to the media etc.--but God forbid anyone has something to say about him. Then they're wrong and don't know what the hell they're talking about? Is that it? Nah, not buyin' it, sorry..

Defending his triangle to the death is starting to wreak of nothing more than pride. So strange and childish--how 'bout you say "we know we have a lot of work to do. We plan on exploring all avenues available to us to get better" and leave it at that. Why the mind games? Why the rhetoric? Why go out of your way to eliminate a certain type of player? Makes ZERO sense to me--shows me he very well may not be open to all possibilities. How 'bout we acknowledge that that might be a "mistake," huh? Hey, his words, man, not mine--I'm just trying to make sense of them...

So reflecting on his success with the Bulls and Lakers, the man says: "we went to a two-guard format, and I think we were successful at it. I think we caught a lot of people in the league by surprise because of the way we played. So it works, and we know it works." Huh? What the hell does that even mean? 'Two-guard format' as in shooting guard dominant? Yeah, OK buddy, you had the best 2 SGs in the history of the sport headlining those teams. Refuses to acknowledge that btw--like that had nothing to do with his success. LMAO. Then he turns around and criticizes Kobe in his book. Gimme a break--you don't win **** in LA w/o Kobe Bryant pal..Get over yourself, ya self-serving prick.. Or did he mean two-guard format as in two guards in the backcourt? WTF--every team features 2 guards in the backcourt, no? Sometimes teams will even go to a 3-guard alignment. Teams usually play a center, 2 forwards and 2 guards--that's the typical alignment. Hardly anything Phil revolutionized all by himself, right? Someone help me--I don't have a clue what the man's talking about. Not even sure Phil even knows either..

I love how he says we don't need a traditional PG but just a couple of weeks ago, he was all over trying to pry Jeff Teague or Dennis Schroder away from ATL in a trade. Now does that make any sense?? I thought he didn't want that type of player? I mean the man is talking semantics -- he doesn't need a top PG but then says that "we have to have a penetrator and we have to have somebody that can handle those roles." Come on, man--what the hell is the difference? Hey listen--if he's saying 'I don't want to pay Mike Conley--not interested in giving that guy a max contract nor allowing him to use us as leverage to get a max deal with Memphis or someone else' --OR-- 'Teague's not my type of guy but I sure like him a lot for only $8mm next yr' -- OK, I can get behind that...And if he's talking about getting those skills out of a bigger guard or 2 (again though--why the interest in Teague and Schroder then??), fine, I don't really care. I'd like to know who those big guards are though, who he has in mind. Tony Wroten? Hey, who knows--the odds are remote, this dude's coming off injury with a ton of question marks attached to him, but we won't know anything until he gets him in here and we see him in some game action. I mean is that ever gonna happen or what?? Hard to believe we haven't sealed the deal with Wroten yet. Why wait until the road trip's over? Where's the logic in that? Shows no sense of urgency to evaluate him at all and the games are dwindling.. I'd still argue that if we made some low-risk moves for a couple of the more talented DL-level guards out there several weeks ago (Russ Smith, Sean Kilpatrick, Elliot Williams, Tony Wroten, Terrico White just to name a few), we actually could've salvaged this season. But what did we do -- we continue to show undeserving loyalty to some pretty bad guards already on the team, wasted our time with Jimmer Fredette and now either can't or won't seal the deal with Wroten.

Look, I think the man realizes we need to up the talent level in a big way and deep down I think he also understands that the triangle is not gonna make us any better by itself. That's really all that matters--keep building this thing up every year until one day, hopefully we put a representative team out on the floor that's capable of playing competitive against the league's better clubs. And if it's with Melo--hopefully that comes sooner than later before the dude falls apart..All this other stuff is just nonsense. I don't even understand why the guy wastes his time.

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^Good points about the knicks trying to trade for a point guard. In the press conference Phil talked about how the bulls kept trying to get a point guard because the pistons had isiah and the cavs had price. He said that the bulls did fine without a dominant point and he wasn't going to chase that. Also talked about Jose and how he admired his game and thought he could be a 2 guard as well. I think he recognizes the deficit but isn't going to overpay and would be fine with a defensive point.

He's had big defensive PG's in the past. Pippen, Harper and Shaw played Pseudo PG for his team's. Technically they don't really have a PG that runs the entire floor. They split the floor for the most part, so any guard or SF would only have to make very simple reads.

We've played without a PG and the offense worked just fine. It's very important that he can solve the needs on Defense more than having a Pure PG. Not that he couldn't make it work with a Pure PG. Just that he doesn't have to as he said Chase that as if it's life or death.

I'm hoping Jerian and Wroten can develop into reliable guards that can defend as a high level and push the pace a good deal more. We really could use the extra easy buckets.

wargames wrote:I love this threads title cause I get the reference

Knixkik wrote:A playmaker will simply make things easier for KP. He's struggled a little bit, but look at where most of his offense is coming from. He's forced to create it himself. No easy baskets or dives to the rim to get him going. If he had a true playmaker, he would get 10 ppg on easy shots alone. Then add what he's already doing now.

I was shocked to find out that the PHO game was the first time this year a player broke 10 assists in a game. Just shocked.

The Knicks don't have 1 guard outside of a few moments where and there by Grant that make baskets easy for other players.

Jose, Gallo, AA, Sasha. Yuck

CrushAlot wrote:Berman is ridiculous.

but hinted the soon-to-be-signed young 76ers castoff Tony Wroten is someone to consider for next season as a starter.

Phil compared Wrotten to Ledo and talked about taking a look at him in the summer. Far from an endorsement for the fifteenth spot. Nothing at all implied about this kid starting.

This is why we can't have any sense of reason in NY. The Media are a pack of Jackals. They spend most of the time trying to make things look worse than they are. Negative and often exaggerating the truth or making things up!!!

Wroten is no different than a D Leaguer, UFA or late Draft Pick that you hope will turn out to be successful.
There have been many that have worked out better than expected but they aren't given any guarantees.