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SocraticBallin22
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3/9/2016  6:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2016  6:43 PM
It's clear to see for a while now that our starting lineup is not working. We are too slow and unathletic to compete and almost always start games falling way behind and playing catch up. Isn't it finally time to tinker with the lineup and make some changes?

What do Grant and D Will bring us that we don't do enough as a team and not at all from our current starting lineup: Slash. They are both athletic slashers who have proven they can penetrate, break down a defense and get in the paint drawing fouls or high percentage shots for themselves or others. Starting D Will and Grant and benching Calderon and KP, instantly gives this threat to our starting lineup and makes it more dynamic.

Also, Grant and D Will always push the pace when they're in the game and look to fast break and get easy baskets--something our starting lineup does not do at all. By inserting both in the starting lineup, our pace would quicken considerably, which is what we need.

It's obvious that KP has hit a rookie wall and is not playing well lately. It may serve him well to play with the 2nd unit right now and be a more featured player with Melo out--also playing against bench players to build up his confidence.

I think this move makes sense. We need to change things up; it addresses a deficiency on the team and we get to see the potential that Grant and D Will can bring in larger roles. Thoughts?

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3/9/2016  6:46 PM
Have you cleared this with Rambo? Who cares, I'm in. Like it.
More DWill idea better than Grant but we can't have evwrything. Now do we give Grant a limit on plays where he runs in the corner and throws it to the other team? Everything has a limit...

Umfortunately, the way we are going, nothing different can be frowned upon.

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3/9/2016  7:09 PM
I'm not so sure that the issue is always poor starts. Just going back over the recent games, they've had quite a few good starts to games. Knicks have a lot of issues but I really can't say that it's definitive that the Starting Lineup is getting killed at the beginning of most games. The issue is often DEFENSIVE as much if not more than poor offense. Especially late in games where you need your D to help you close out a win.


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SocraticBallin22
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3/9/2016  9:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2016  9:08 PM
We've been getting off to better starts lately, but we were getting destroyed in the 1st quarter during the losing streak with Fisher before he got fired. The problem with the lineup is: 1) Jose is too slow at PG and makes us play with the slowest pace in the NBA--no transition at all = nothing easy. And Rolo and KP at the 4 and 5--although they're long--are too slow and lumbering for many 3's and 4's in the league. There's not enough speed in a small ball dominated league. Also, no on can break down a defense with the lineup. Grant and D Will can punish defenses by getting in the paint and attacking the rim--plus drawing fouls. It's the missing element to our team. Worth a shot, right?
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3/10/2016  4:40 PM
We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction
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3/10/2016  4:47 PM
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

how should they be utilized?

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3/10/2016  6:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

I wouldn't go that far. Phil has a roster of backups, that tends to over perform on some days, and play to their normal level on other days.

So some of the inconsistencies is also due to pure talent. Thats why backups are backups and starters are starters. Phil scrapped the barrel for these pickups. The bottom of the barrel is not where you find starters.

What Phil did was collect a solid supporting cast of players......Who are currently being forced into starter minutes.

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3/10/2016  9:02 PM
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

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3/11/2016  10:00 AM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

how should they be utilized?

you got fast guys playing slow, and slow guy playing even slower.

You put faried on this current roster, with this current coach, and he will turn into a jump shooter like Acy.

go on you tube look at any of phils teams, the only players getting to the hole is kobe, Jordan, and pippen

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3/11/2016  10:37 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

how should they be utilized?

you got fast guys playing slow, and slow guy playing even slower.

You put faried on this current roster, with this current coach, and he will turn into a jump shooter like Acy.

go on you tube look at any of phils teams, the only players getting to the hole is kobe, Jordan, and pippen


Yeah but you forget the post players who are near the basket and scoring. I'm pretty sure Shaq, Bynum and Pau were scoring near the basket. besides this is a bit of an exaggeration and it's nearly meaningless when you consider all the winning Phil's teams did over the years.

A kid like Faried would be able to get the rim in this offense because it's a motion offense with tons of cuts built in. It's all up to the players to run the floor and make hard cuts in the half court offense. Also just playing with energy like a Dennis Rodman is all it takes to get lots of scores at the rim and Faried would similarly have opportunities to score.

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3/11/2016  10:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2016  10:57 AM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

how should they be utilized?

you got fast guys playing slow, and slow guy playing even slower.

You put faried on this current roster, with this current coach, and he will turn into a jump shooter like Acy.

go on you tube look at any of phils teams, the only players getting to the hole is kobe, Jordan, and pippen


Yeah but you forget the post players who are near the basket and scoring. I'm pretty sure Shaq, Bynum and Pau were scoring near the basket. besides this is a bit of an exaggeration and it's nearly meaningless when you consider all the winning Phil's teams did over the years.

A kid like Faried would be able to get the rim in this offense because it's a motion offense with tons of cuts built in. It's all up to the players to run the floor and make hard cuts in the half court offense. Also just playing with energy like a Dennis Rodman is all it takes to get lots of scores at the rim and Faried would similarly have opportunities to score.

Then Nix please explain why no one cuts to the basket on a regular, phil has now had over 25 different players on the knicks, and no one cutting. AA penetrated when he was with Denver, Orlando, and portalnd, now all he does his post ups and shoots 3's.

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3/11/2016  11:32 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

how should they be utilized?

you got fast guys playing slow, and slow guy playing even slower.

You put faried on this current roster, with this current coach, and he will turn into a jump shooter like Acy.

go on you tube look at any of phils teams, the only players getting to the hole is kobe, Jordan, and pippen


Yeah but you forget the post players who are near the basket and scoring. I'm pretty sure Shaq, Bynum and Pau were scoring near the basket. besides this is a bit of an exaggeration and it's nearly meaningless when you consider all the winning Phil's teams did over the years.

A kid like Faried would be able to get the rim in this offense because it's a motion offense with tons of cuts built in. It's all up to the players to run the floor and make hard cuts in the half court offense. Also just playing with energy like a Dennis Rodman is all it takes to get lots of scores at the rim and Faried would similarly have opportunities to score.

Then Nix please explain why no one cuts to the basket on a regular, phil has now had over 25 different players on the knicks, and no one cutting. AA penetrated when he was with Denver, Orlando, and portalnd, now all he does his post ups and shoots 3's.

this perplexes me as well. I was under the impression that this offense is predicated on cuts and more off the ball movement. Its not consistent that is for sure.

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3/11/2016  12:08 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:We don't utilize any of our players correctly, that's why they are so inconsistent, phil has a solid roster with zero direction

how should they be utilized?

you got fast guys playing slow, and slow guy playing even slower.

You put faried on this current roster, with this current coach, and he will turn into a jump shooter like Acy.

go on you tube look at any of phils teams, the only players getting to the hole is kobe, Jordan, and pippen


Yeah but you forget the post players who are near the basket and scoring. I'm pretty sure Shaq, Bynum and Pau were scoring near the basket. besides this is a bit of an exaggeration and it's nearly meaningless when you consider all the winning Phil's teams did over the years.

A kid like Faried would be able to get the rim in this offense because it's a motion offense with tons of cuts built in. It's all up to the players to run the floor and make hard cuts in the half court offense. Also just playing with energy like a Dennis Rodman is all it takes to get lots of scores at the rim and Faried would similarly have opportunities to score.

Then Nix please explain why no one cuts to the basket on a regular, phil has now had over 25 different players on the knicks, and no one cutting. AA penetrated when he was with Denver, Orlando, and portalnd, now all he does his post ups and shoots 3's.

this perplexes me as well. I was under the impression that this offense is predicated on cuts and more off the ball movement. Its not consistent that is for sure.

I see more ISO more than triangle at this point. It's why the Knicks are amongst the bottom of team assists each year.

Personnel is built for ISO inefficient ball, not triangle movement ball. Square peg in round hole syndrome for Phil so far as an exec.

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