nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:some career numbers in regards to wroten...
fg%: 41%
3pt fg: 23%
a/to: 3/2.6

these are horrid numbers...

Hmm, scary bad, especially for a pg

jump shooting team that signs a guy who couldn't shoot a jumper if his kids life depended on it.

Phil, please explain WTF your thinking.

Perhaps you've answered your own question. We NEED more speed, breakdown ability and athletic ability at guard. Wroten is a guard that is nearly impossible to stay in front of. With all the other things going on on the floor no team will be able to stop him. You can't guard Melo, RoLo, KP and also focus on Wroten constantly attacking.

Right now there's no fear of our guards going full court or getting to the rim and finishing off of Dribble Hand Off's or just simply breaking his man down. He doesn't need a PnR in order to get to the rim!!!

wow, talk about exaggeration. no team will be able to stop him? if he's THAT good, why did A) the sixers cut him and B) no one else pick him up?

if he was that good, some team would have overpaid for him already.

WaltLongmire wrote:Just find it strange that he has not been seen playing since Philly, and he was not too impressive in the game I saw him play against the Knicks.

They let him go after MDA came on...NO? Tells me what they thought about him fitting into the kind of offense that is the predominant system in the NBA right now. (Of course we don't run that offense.)

Memphis also let him go pretty quickly, thought I don't know the circumstances.

I would assume that the Knicks worked him out and put him through the proper tests before signing him. Hopefully we give him one of those Hinkie-type contracts where nothing is guaranteed even though it is for multiple years.

Have to think that Frazier's size and D was a turnoff, although he's the type of playmaker/ball handler we all think the team needs.

Wroten has legit SG size and strength, but he has always had turnover issues...including in college, his 3pt shooting has always been poor (16% in college!), and he's only had one season where he was over 70% from the FT line.

Pretty surprised at this signing.

Quite willing to give Wroten the benefit of the doubt, but this is one player I'm going to be be quite critical of if he plays like another Sasha, and his turnovers and outside shooting are at his historical averages.

Hope I'm wrong about this guy.

me too.

good post.

They need to cut Sasha, Lou, and/or Seraphin then sign Christian Wood to a similar deal

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

I like it. He plays like a left handed Jeremy Lin and Alexey Shved.

It angers me that people can see this highlight and still say this guy isn't worth it. If he did half the stuff in this highlight he still would be the best guard we've had since Feltons first stint with the Knicks

highlights are so 80's. Have not learned from things like this how not to gauge players?

I looked for a comparable video of Calderon highlights from this year. I couldn't find it.

that argument will help you ace the LSATs.

Just curious. How would you judge a players capability other than highlights? You can watch game film but that is not available to us fans. So other than these highlight films and statistics what else is there?

NYKBocker wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

I like it. He plays like a left handed Jeremy Lin and Alexey Shved.

It angers me that people can see this highlight and still say this guy isn't worth it. If he did half the stuff in this highlight he still would be the best guard we've had since Feltons first stint with the Knicks

highlights are so 80's. Have not learned from things like this how not to gauge players?

I looked for a comparable video of Calderon highlights from this year. I couldn't find it.

that argument will help you ace the LSATs.

Just curious. How would you judge a players capability other than highlights? You can watch game film but that is not available to us fans. So other than these highlight films and statistics what else is there?

A couple of games from last year:

NYKBocker wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

I like it. He plays like a left handed Jeremy Lin and Alexey Shved.

It angers me that people can see this highlight and still say this guy isn't worth it. If he did half the stuff in this highlight he still would be the best guard we've had since Feltons first stint with the Knicks

highlights are so 80's. Have not learned from things like this how not to gauge players?

I looked for a comparable video of Calderon highlights from this year. I couldn't find it.

that argument will help you ace the LSATs.

Just curious. How would you judge a players capability other than highlights? You can watch game film but that is not available to us fans. So other than these highlight films and statistics what else is there?

I would start with stats, injury history, team history, win history, how is he playing now? how did he do for his last team? Who was his last team and why did they let him go? Are they doing better or worse without him? Did he elevate the players around him? etc ...

the last thing I would check is a youtube clip.

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:some career numbers in regards to wroten...
fg%: 41%
3pt fg: 23%
a/to: 3/2.6

these are horrid numbers...

Hmm, scary bad, especially for a pg

jump shooting team that signs a guy who couldn't shoot a jumper if his kids life depended on it.

Phil, please explain WTF your thinking.

he's 22 years old. and played on some terrible teams with no structure. Maybe he can be coached. He's far from a finished product.

fishmike wrote:this guy might end up being really good. He might end up being nothing at all. Nobody can pretend to predict now, its just throwing poop at the wall and seeing what sticks. he brings size, hops and one really sick handle to the table. He's got some huge holes in his game as mentioned above. If he didnt have huge holes he would not be available for the Knicks to sign.

Except Briggs who will use this as an example of Phil's hatred of small guards, this signing means nothing. He's just a guy the Knicks want to look at. Maybe he works out. Maybe he's gone by next year.

My prediction is 12 pages.

Hey what else is there to talk about.

IMO this is a good thing for this team. We lack athleticism and speed at guard and he's also big and aggressive as well. Dude was starting for the Sixers last year and doing well, before the injury. We can't be so blind as to not see this kid and think we have NO ONE even close to his talent at guard. IMO if he's healthy and coached up I think he can help this team. He had a bunch of games that none of our guards have had.

NO RISK. HIGH REWARD!

WaltLongmire wrote:Just find it strange that he has not been seen playing since Philly, and he was not too impressive in the game I saw him play against the Knicks.

They let him go after MDA came on...NO? Tells me what they thought about him fitting into the kind of offense that is the predominant system in the NBA right now. (Of course we don't run that offense.)

Memphis also let him go pretty quickly, thought I don't know the circumstances.

I would assume that the Knicks worked him out and put him through the proper tests before signing him. Hopefully we give him one of those Hinkie-type contracts where nothing is guaranteed even though it is for multiple years.

Have to think that Frazier's size and D was a turnoff, although he's the type of playmaker/ball handler we all think the team needs.

Wroten has legit SG size and strength, but he has always had turnover issues...including in college, his 3pt shooting has always been poor (16% in college!), and he's only had one season where he was over 70% from the FT line.

Pretty surprised at this signing.

Quite willing to give Wroten the benefit of the doubt, but this is one player I'm going to be be quite critical of if he plays like another Sasha, and his turnovers and outside shooting are at his historical averages.

Hope I'm wrong about this guy.

Not sure how he'll recover from the knee injury, but he had tier 1 athleticism. He also can see the floor well as a passer and as a cutter. He's got good game IQ.

I think he's a smart player. And wildly athletic. Cutting down turnovers can be learned. Shooting can be worked on and improved.

I don't think I saw him play the Knicks this year, but the previous two years I saw him play quite a bit for Philly and was always very impressed. In those times I saw him play, I thought we looked better and like the headier PG than Michael Carter Williams. I have a friend who is a die hard Sixers fan who always wanted Wroten starting over MCW.