arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The league has figured out how to play this team - the scouting report is out. It's the same formula every game.

There's talent on the team, but the roster is not constructed for today's game. Phil built this team like a 1993 Eastern conference 7th seed. He refuses to admit the game has changed, the league has changed, rules have changed.

The problem is Phil and his insistence on the Triangle. I don't think we can move forward with him.

I agree. The team is not even half-build.
It is not capable of playing any system... less one of the most complex in bbal.
Triangle requires players to make in-game decisions at all times.
You need a bunch of highly trained pros with deep fundamentals and a couple of stars to make a difference.
We have one possible future star and 2-3 wets capable of learning the system.
And they are learning but it takes its sweet time.
Its a long road in front of this team. And it is not clear if MSG has a will to wait so long.

Phil has been at the last two games, which is rare.

Isola reported that he was headed to Dolan's suite after the game.

I can't imagine Dolan is happy.

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The league has figured out how to play this team - the scouting report is out. It's the same formula every game.

There's talent on the team, but the roster is not constructed for today's game. Phil built this team like a 1993 Eastern conference 7th seed. He refuses to admit the game has changed, the league has changed, rules have changed.

The problem is Phil and his insistence on the Triangle. I don't think we can move forward with him.

I agree. The team is not even half-build.
It is not capable of playing any system... less one of the most complex in bbal.
Triangle requires players to make in-game decisions at all times.
You need a bunch of highly trained pros with deep fundamentals and a couple of stars to make a difference.
We have one possible future star and 2-3 wets capable of learning the system.
And they are learning but it takes its sweet time.
Its a long road in front of this team. And it is not clear if MSG has a will to wait so long.

Phil has been at the last two games, which is rare.

Isola reported that he was headed to Dolan's suite after the game.

I can't imagine Dolan is happy.

Lets say Phil will be let go or will quit...
So then what?

The sad thing is - it's terrifying. I have no frickin' clue. What a mess.

The good thing about Phil is he has had enough sway to keep Dolan away. But that may be ending.

The idea of Mills leading the team? Meh, we've had that. He was the guy behind the getting Bargnani and not getting Lowry. He's essentially a Dolan stand in.

Somewhere Isiah is licking his chops.

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The league has figured out how to play this team - the scouting report is out. It's the same formula every game.

There's talent on the team, but the roster is not constructed for today's game. Phil built this team like a 1993 Eastern conference 7th seed. He refuses to admit the game has changed, the league has changed, rules have changed.

The problem is Phil and his insistence on the Triangle. I don't think we can move forward with him.

I agree. The team is not even half-build.
It is not capable of playing any system... less one of the most complex in bbal.
Triangle requires players to make in-game decisions at all times.
You need a bunch of highly trained pros with deep fundamentals and a couple of stars to make a difference.
We have one possible future star and 2-3 wets capable of learning the system.
And they are learning but it takes its sweet time.
Its a long road in front of this team. And it is not clear if MSG has a will to wait so long.

Phil has been at the last two games, which is rare.

Isola reported that he was headed to Dolan's suite after the game.

I can't imagine Dolan is happy.

Lets say Phil will be let go or will quit...
So then what?

The sad thing is - it's terrifying. I have no frickin' clue. What a mess.

The good thing about Phil is he has had enough sway to keep Dolan away. But that may be ending.

The idea of Mills leading the team? Meh, we've had that. He was the guy behind the getting Bargnani and not getting Lowry. He's essentially a Dolan stand in.

Somewhere Isiah is licking his chops.

It was clear this will be a long and painful up and down process.
But no... fans and media start rushing the thing again.
"I want it all, I want it now..." And then you burn yourself.
This team was Melo away from starting over... but he and Dolan does not want to let it go.
But its coming this way or another.

I think the problem is the perception that it is getting worse - spiraling.

If they had started poorly again and managed to finish the last 44 games 22-22 the narrative and the vibe would be different.

Really, it seems like what happened was KP's inspired play was hugely important to this team and he's just completely out of gas now. He still scores sometimes, but his energy on D and the boards is largely gone.

Also, I do think the league has figured out how to play this team - make us go small. We DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT to go small. A team plays us big? We can bang them to death with Rolo and KP can take it outside, inside, whatever. Melo can post up a small forward, etc.

This team has to play small and fast? We're doomed.

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The league has figured out how to play this team - the scouting report is out. It's the same formula every game.

There's talent on the team, but the roster is not constructed for today's game. Phil built this team like a 1993 Eastern conference 7th seed. He refuses to admit the game has changed, the league has changed, rules have changed.

The problem is Phil and his insistence on the Triangle. I don't think we can move forward with him.

I agree. The team is not even half-build.
It is not capable of playing any system... less one of the most complex in bbal.
Triangle requires players to make in-game decisions at all times.
You need a bunch of highly trained pros with deep fundamentals and a couple of stars to make a difference.
We have one possible future star and 2-3 wets capable of learning the system.
And they are learning but it takes its sweet time.
Its a long road in front of this team. And it is not clear if MSG has a will to wait so long.

Phil has been at the last two games, which is rare.

Isola reported that he was headed to Dolan's suite after the game.

I can't imagine Dolan is happy.

Lets say Phil will be let go or will quit...
So then what?

The sad thing is - it's terrifying. I have no frickin' clue. What a mess.

The good thing about Phil is he has had enough sway to keep Dolan away. But that may be ending.

The idea of Mills leading the team? Meh, we've had that. He was the guy behind the getting Bargnani and not getting Lowry. He's essentially a Dolan stand in.

Somewhere Isiah is licking his chops.

It was clear this will be a long and painful up and down process.
But no... fans and media start rushing the thing again.
"I want it all, I want it now..." And then you burn yourself.
This team was Melo away from starting over... but he and Dolan does not want to let it go.
But its coming this way or another.

I think the problem is the perception that it is getting worse - spiraling.

If they had started poorly again and managed to finish the last 44 games 22-22 the narrative and the vibe would be different.

Really, it seems like what happened was KP's inspired play was hugely important to this team and he's just completely out of gas now. He still scores sometimes, but his energy on D and the boards is largely gone.

Also, I do think the league has figured out how to play this team - make us go small. We DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT to go small. A team plays us big? We can bang them to death with Rolo and KP can take it outside, inside, whatever. Melo can post up a small forward, etc.

This team has to play small and fast? We're doomed.

crzymdups wrote:

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Very on point.
Knicks have no NBA level guards.
Everybody know this and I guess this is what Phil and Co will going to work on.
Another 2 years and we will be fine if not interrupted again buy some fulls.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

I think the problem is the perception that it is getting worse - spiraling.

If they had started poorly again and managed to finish the last 44 games 22-22 the narrative and the vibe would be different.

Really, it seems like what happened was KP's inspired play was hugely important to this team and he's just completely out of gas now. He still scores sometimes, but his energy on D and the boards is largely gone.

Also, I do think the league has figured out how to play this team - make us go small. We DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT to go small. A team plays us big? We can bang them to death with Rolo and KP can take it outside, inside, whatever. Melo can post up a small forward, etc.

This team has to play small and fast? We're doomed.

Sounds like an endorsement for Wroten/Lawson. Time for Mills to do some work.

Absolutely. I think we should bring in Wroten and Lawson if possible. Grant needs minutes. Maybe start thinking about a buy out for Jose.

smackeddog wrote:As unpleasant as it is, what needs to happen is happening - this should push Melo to wanting a trade. We just can't rebuild quickly enough to accommodate his time line.

You can see him getting frustrated. I said this at the trade deadline - I think it's something he will seriously consider this summer. He even said at the all-star break "thAts not something I'm thinking about right now." I think "right now" is the key part.

I think he will watch the playoffs on tv this spring and seriously talk to Phil about going to the Clippers this summer for Blake. That's my prediction.