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Nalod
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3/1/2016  10:50 AM
Stat came to NY because PHX only would give him a 3 year deal. Thought he'd break down. He Did.
With Stat in NY this week, we get to revisit.
Was Melo the guy who hated Lin? Tyson was pretty grumpy then himself. Melo hated Lins contract. Melo was right.

When we look back and look at everything thru Melo Shyt stained glasses as Uncle ChuckBuck does it all leads to Melo. "He didn't do this, or HE didn't do that...." As if basketball is NOT a 5 man game!

The lack of production from a max deal like Amare hurt us. The Bargnani trade hurt us for three years, HIS lack of productivity AND the loss of the trade asset. He was worthless on the court and as a trade asset, yet we gave our No. 1 this year. Deals like Eddy Curry where you give up big assets AND the player does not produce is a double edge sword and the worst thing a franchise can do. McDyess, Eddy, Starbury and Barnani all had similar traits and long lasting ramifications.

Very long.

Phils Tweets have little to do with anything and his tweet explaining his comps to Chris jackson should calm everyone down. Of course some want Phils head with some fantasy that the Riley Tree of JVG as president and Thibs as coach would produce wonderful unicorn results. JVG is a whiny TV commentator who can take extreme views and drone on without the benefit of a proper debate on air. Its his job to have an opinion and if the audience is agreeable, then its a "better" broadcast".
Regarding the tweets, would we be better with guys that don't voice any opinion? You think JVG would be all over the media with his "Opinions" as a GM? I doubt it. At least Phil had the balls to tell Dolan he would not be quiet. I liked JVG and would welcome him home, but Stan was actually the better coach.

Yeah, I liked Walsh but he was neutered pretty quickly and not allowed to build anything. He was asked by dolan to tear it down for Lebron and instead we got Amare, whom I loved watching play when healthy and then the Melo trade which depleted the roster.

I don't blame Melo but what we paid for him. Its along story we all know too well. We are revisiting Amare this week because of his comments and I don't "blame him" as we waived the 5 year contract on him and he'd be a fool to not sign it. This one is on Dolan. Amare I thought really tried his best and worked hard to maintain his health and endless rehabs. He said all the right things as do most NBA stars and he had a 10 year run where he was elite.

Make no mistake the culprit of the knicks problems the last 15 years is not Phils Tweets but the trades where we got underperforming assets when done on an underperforming team crates Draft pick gold for the other team.

This is relevant today because we don't have our pick and the roster needed cleaning last year and our trade assets are not full.
Phil's biggest mistake by many who look at things in retrospective shyt stained glasses is having Calderon and resigning Melo.

The process of making decisions began and ended with Dolan. Selling the team to a new owner is not the answer as you might end up with someone worse. Best scenario is he gave hired a consulting firm and was told to delegate. I'd rather have Phil install a new culture of decision making than Dolan. Forget what Phil said as he was "selling" the hype when he took the job. Think for yourselves about what the disaster was last year and when faced with the reality he had to clean house. should he have molded the team to fit Shump, Tyson, Felton and JR? I like the way Melo has played this season. That is the potential he has. Thats the potential of Phil's system.

The future beyond Phil is Mills. Get used to it. He is a bright guy and I have faith he has grown a bit since the Isiah days.
Maybe Isiah has too, but I can't go that far.

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3/1/2016  10:56 AM
With Gallinari out again with a major injury, and Wilson Chandler out for the season, it's interesting how the only real sound move the Knicks have made over the past 6 years is the most controversial, which is the Melo trade. We traded good, but very injury prone players. Losing the picks wasn't any good, and not having this pick was terrible, but we didn't lose this pick because of Melo, we lost it because of Bargnani. At least we have KP, cap space, and all of our picks coming up to move into the right direction. Momentum is actually on our side moving forward.
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3/1/2016  11:01 AM
I wish Melo and Lin had been able to get along. Lin this year is better than any point guard we've had for years here. Since JKidd had 25 good games to start the 12-13 season.

I think at that point, Melo had some weird voices in his ears. You used to hear a lot more about CAA trying to flex some influence over the Knicks front office - word is that CAA pushed the Bargnani trade pretty hard (they also repped Bargs).

It seems like Melo isn't letting them influence as much anymore, or Phil's pressence means that CAA doesn't have as much pull.

That's the best part of Phil being here - no one can influence him, for better or worse. This is gonna be Phil's vision through and through. I just question the vision - the Triangle.

Time to move past the past though. What matters more is what happens this summer - I'd like to try to build a winning team around Melo and KP. There'll be plenty of time to try to build a team with KP as the focal point when Melo is ready to retire. KP is not ready to be the focal point yet. It will be beneficial to try to build a competitive team with Melo here for the next 2-3 years. Then after that, KP will be in year 4 or 5 and ready to be the focal point and we can build around him.

As long as keep our picks in 2017, 2018, 2019 - even if we suck with Melo, we'll be building through the draft around KP.

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3/1/2016  11:08 AM
The roster turn over on this team is ridiculous. Hard to find a team in the league that does not have one or two former Knicks players on it. The constant cycle of flushing the roster for cap space and trading draft picks has kilt this franchise. There is no continuity. We have a new GM and coach every two or three years.

My point, I have none. Please carry on

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3/1/2016  11:09 AM
Knixkik wrote:With Gallinari out again with a major injury, and Wilson Chandler out for the season, it's interesting how the only real sound move the Knicks have made over the past 6 years is the most controversial, which is the Melo trade. We traded good, but very injury prone players. Losing the picks wasn't any good, and not having this pick was terrible, but we didn't lose this pick because of Melo, we lost it because of Bargnani. At least we have KP, cap space, and all of our picks coming up to move into the right direction. Momentum is actually on our side moving forward.

Thats why I don't slam the trade and of course would we have gone the route and taken Deron williams as a trade? Many what ifs.

The two best players we gave up are injury prone. Maybe we do another deal or go in another direction? its entirely possible someone in the organization speaks up and did not like Deron so we didn't go their?

Melo has been what he was and has play up to his expectations but the team has not.

No, I did not like the trade.

maybe instead we make some smaller deals and don't trade for Barnani? The problem was we get Amare and felt rushed to pair with with a star to replicate Miami or Dolan feared Nyets to Brooklyn. If we had Mozgov there was no rush get Tyson. Could a trade for a young guard using Felton and Wilson as the asset? Keep our picks, not get Bargnani? History has so many turns regarding the knicks.

Our decision making culture has been reactionary. Amare was a bad way to spend the money. Instead we could have rebuilt sooner and if so we'd have more assets the last few years.

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3/1/2016  11:37 AM
Nalod wrote:

Pwhils Tweets have little to do with anything and his tweet explaining his comps to Chris jackson should calm everyone down. Of course some want Phils head with some fantasy that the Riley Tree of JVG as president and Thibs as coach would produce wonderful unicorn results. JVG is a whiny TV commentator who can take extreme views and drone on without the benefit of a proper debate on air. Its his job to have an opinion and if the audience is agreeable, then its a "better" broadcast".
Regarding the tweets, would we be better with guys that don't voice any opinion? You think JVG would be all over the media with his "Opinions" as a GM? I doubt it. At least Phil had the balls to tell Dolan he would not be quiet. I liked JVG and would welcome him home, but Stan was actually the better coach.


This is what you do when anyone mentions the appeal of replacing a coach with a better one. Any name that get mentions is referred to as a "mythical coach", "unicorn results", "fantasy", etc.. Its your way of trying to shut down any discussion about who we would like to see coach this team as opposed to the straight up garbage we have been subjected to for years.

Nothing imaginary about .647 winning pct and a ring as one of Doc Rivers key assistants. You talk about shyt stained glasses but its more about you telling us to smile and eat our shyt stained sandwiches.

Never understood your need to shut down any conversation that involves bringing in a new coach, even if the odds are remote. You know what the alternative is?

Nalod: RaRa

Gustav: Sis boom ba

As long as Knick coaches suck, posters are going to talk about alternatives, get used to it.

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3/1/2016  11:39 AM
Nalod wrote:
Knixkik wrote:With Gallinari out again with a major injury, and Wilson Chandler out for the season, it's interesting how the only real sound move the Knicks have made over the past 6 years is the most controversial, which is the Melo trade. We traded good, but very injury prone players. Losing the picks wasn't any good, and not having this pick was terrible, but we didn't lose this pick because of Melo, we lost it because of Bargnani. At least we have KP, cap space, and all of our picks coming up to move into the right direction. Momentum is actually on our side moving forward.

Thats why I don't slam the trade and of course would we have gone the route and taken Deron williams as a trade? Many what ifs.

The two best players we gave up are injury prone. Maybe we do another deal or go in another direction? its entirely possible someone in the organization speaks up and did not like Deron so we didn't go their?

Melo has been what he was and has play up to his expectations but the team has not.

No, I did not like the trade.

maybe instead we make some smaller deals and don't trade for Barnani? The problem was we get Amare and felt rushed to pair with with a star to replicate Miami or Dolan feared Nyets to Brooklyn. If we had Mozgov there was no rush get Tyson. Could a trade for a young guard using Felton and Wilson as the asset? Keep our picks, not get Bargnani? History has so many turns regarding the knicks.

Our decision making culture has been reactionary. Amare was a bad way to spend the money. Instead we could have rebuilt sooner and if so we'd have more assets the last few years.


There will always be so many unknowns. I felt it was a deal we had to do. For me, because nothing we traded materialized into anything of extremely high value, it ended up being a good trade. All of the stuff following it made the results underwhelming, but Melo has been everything he was always advertised to be here in NY. He led us to 3 straight playoff appearances when we forgot what playoffs looked like, carried the team on his back to our first playoff series win in 12 years when the rest of our team under-performed, and played at a near-mvp level for a year or so. It wasn't an ideal 5 years and he has had his flaws, no doubt about it, but we got what we expected from him individually. But with so many unknowns, we can only assume we would have screwed up no matter what, even if we didn't get him.
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3/1/2016  7:42 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:

Pwhils Tweets have little to do with anything and his tweet explaining his comps to Chris jackson should calm everyone down. Of course some want Phils head with some fantasy that the Riley Tree of JVG as president and Thibs as coach would produce wonderful unicorn results. JVG is a whiny TV commentator who can take extreme views and drone on without the benefit of a proper debate on air. Its his job to have an opinion and if the audience is agreeable, then its a "better" broadcast".
Regarding the tweets, would we be better with guys that don't voice any opinion? You think JVG would be all over the media with his "Opinions" as a GM? I doubt it. At least Phil had the balls to tell Dolan he would not be quiet. I liked JVG and would welcome him home, but Stan was actually the better coach.


This is what you do when anyone mentions the appeal of replacing a coach with a better one. Any name that get mentions is referred to as a "mythical coach", "unicorn results", "fantasy", etc.. Its your way of trying to shut down any discussion about who we would like to see coach this team as opposed to the straight up garbage we have been subjected to for years.

Nothing imaginary about .647 winning pct and a ring as one of Doc Rivers key assistants. You talk about shyt stained glasses but its more about you telling us to smile and eat our shyt stained sandwiches.

Never understood your need to shut down any conversation that involves bringing in a new coach, even if the odds are remote. You know what the alternative is?

Nalod: RaRa

Gustav: Sis boom ba

As long as Knick coaches suck, posters are going to talk about alternatives, get used to it.

Ra Ra, count the coaches, regimes and player turn over with starphuched trades and the base is no continuity.
With Thibs your talking a shift in philosophy and very strong willed personality in Thibs. BTW, I'd be all for it. It would mean Him and Phil got along famously and are on the same page. Im still stunned Fish turned out to be philosophically resistant to accept guidance form the "Triangle Elders". This scheme is not rocket science and it evolves so Im not worried.

Rambis might be the guy. Lets see how he finish's and how he handles himself. I get it, its "NYC" and we deserve better.

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