nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Clean wrote:I find it funny Rambis always talks about Jimmer with disdain but he plays Jose and Sasha without noticing the irony. I am not sure if Rambis is an upgrade over Fisher. I would have rather ride out the season with Fisher and then try to get an actual good coach.

Phil thought the problem was that Fisher wasn't running enough Triangle. Turns out Rambis running more Triangle makes them far worse.

Fisher had the team on a 8 losses out of 9 games run. That's 1-8 in his last 9. Rambis has gone 2-5. We're in a major rut. Fisher was not getting them out of it. Neither will Rambis. However I have seen some improvements since Rambis came in. If nothing else, the rotation. He runs a much cleaner, consistent rotation. Not on Rambis guys on this team can not make good looks on a consistent basis, that he doesn't have a point guard that can create offense at a high level or that he's got many many bad defenders. That's all part of re-building.

Regardless, I don't think Phil ever said Rambis was brought in to get the team into the playoffs. I think he made it clear it was to improve the type of style they were playing and to improve the habits. In a few games we saw this. In 2 games - no (Raptors, Heat). I will say, you talk about Fish as if he did a great job. His Knicks also lost to Miami twice in November - averaging 78 points. While Fisher may have run less Triangle - it's not like he didn't run the Triangle at all. This team is what it is, holes and all. The major difference in Fisher and Rambis is that Rambis is more consistent with strategy, rotations and what he tells players. He's getting the team to practice together instead of individually. He's focused on giving the right feedback to Porzingis. This is a re-build throw a way year. No championships are going to be won. I have little problem with Rambis. This coming from a big KP fan, so saw him play only 20 minutes tonight.

Knicks blew out the Heat in early January.

I don't see a good coaching job from Rambis. I don't see a consistent rotation. Grant played 11 first half minutes and was replaced by Sasha in the second half.

He says the problem is the offense... which means either the problem is the Triangle or him.

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Clean wrote:I find it funny Rambis always talks about Jimmer with disdain but he plays Jose and Sasha without noticing the irony. I am not sure if Rambis is an upgrade over Fisher. I would have rather ride out the season with Fisher and then try to get an actual good coach.

Phil thought the problem was that Fisher wasn't running enough Triangle. Turns out Rambis running more Triangle makes them far worse.

Fisher had the team on a 8 losses out of 9 games run. That's 1-8 in his last 9. Rambis has gone 2-5. We're in a major rut. Fisher was not getting them out of it. Neither will Rambis. However I have seen some improvements since Rambis came in. If nothing else, the rotation. He runs a much cleaner, consistent rotation. Not on Rambis guys on this team can not make good looks on a consistent basis, that he doesn't have a point guard that can create offense at a high level or that he's got many many bad defenders. That's all part of re-building.

Regardless, I don't think Phil ever said Rambis was brought in to get the team into the playoffs. I think he made it clear it was to improve the type of style they were playing and to improve the habits. In a few games we saw this. In 2 games - no (Raptors, Heat). I will say, you talk about Fish as if he did a great job. His Knicks also lost to Miami twice in November - averaging 78 points. While Fisher may have run less Triangle - it's not like he didn't run the Triangle at all. This team is what it is, holes and all. The major difference in Fisher and Rambis is that Rambis is more consistent with strategy, rotations and what he tells players. He's getting the team to practice together instead of individually. He's focused on giving the right feedback to Porzingis. This is a re-build throw a way year. No championships are going to be won. I have little problem with Rambis. This coming from a big KP fan, so saw him play only 20 minutes tonight.

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Clean wrote:I find it funny Rambis always talks about Jimmer with disdain but he plays Jose and Sasha without noticing the irony. I am not sure if Rambis is an upgrade over Fisher. I would have rather ride out the season with Fisher and then try to get an actual good coach.

Phil thought the problem was that Fisher wasn't running enough Triangle. Turns out Rambis running more Triangle makes them far worse.

Fisher had the team on a 8 losses out of 9 games run. That's 1-8 in his last 9. Rambis has gone 2-5. We're in a major rut. Fisher was not getting them out of it. Neither will Rambis. However I have seen some improvements since Rambis came in. If nothing else, the rotation. He runs a much cleaner, consistent rotation. Not on Rambis guys on this team can not make good looks on a consistent basis, that he doesn't have a point guard that can create offense at a high level or that he's got many many bad defenders. That's all part of re-building.

Regardless, I don't think Phil ever said Rambis was brought in to get the team into the playoffs. I think he made it clear it was to improve the type of style they were playing and to improve the habits. In a few games we saw this. In 2 games - no (Raptors, Heat). I will say, you talk about Fish as if he did a great job. His Knicks also lost to Miami twice in November - averaging 78 points. While Fisher may have run less Triangle - it's not like he didn't run the Triangle at all. This team is what it is, holes and all. The major difference in Fisher and Rambis is that Rambis is more consistent with strategy, rotations and what he tells players. He's getting the team to practice together instead of individually. He's focused on giving the right feedback to Porzingis. This is a re-build throw a way year. No championships are going to be won. I have little problem with Rambis. This coming from a big KP fan, so saw him play only 20 minutes tonight.

Don't waste your breath nyknickzingis, after a loss it's the usual feeding frenzy from guys that live for this BS. I'm done with this crap! Let them have their fun stroking each other with negativity.

Nix maybe you missed this Rambis quote.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/andrewkeh/status/704141685656260609

I am not negative unless there is cause to be. There is cause to be. The offense is not right for the roster. The coach is not right for the roster or the offense.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Clean wrote:I find it funny Rambis always talks about Jimmer with disdain but he plays Jose and Sasha without noticing the irony. I am not sure if Rambis is an upgrade over Fisher. I would have rather ride out the season with Fisher and then try to get an actual good coach.

Phil thought the problem was that Fisher wasn't running enough Triangle. Turns out Rambis running more Triangle makes them far worse.

Fisher had the team on a 8 losses out of 9 games run. That's 1-8 in his last 9. Rambis has gone 2-5. We're in a major rut. Fisher was not getting them out of it. Neither will Rambis. However I have seen some improvements since Rambis came in. If nothing else, the rotation. He runs a much cleaner, consistent rotation. Not on Rambis guys on this team can not make good looks on a consistent basis, that he doesn't have a point guard that can create offense at a high level or that he's got many many bad defenders. That's all part of re-building.

Regardless, I don't think Phil ever said Rambis was brought in to get the team into the playoffs. I think he made it clear it was to improve the type of style they were playing and to improve the habits. In a few games we saw this. In 2 games - no (Raptors, Heat). I will say, you talk about Fish as if he did a great job. His Knicks also lost to Miami twice in November - averaging 78 points. While Fisher may have run less Triangle - it's not like he didn't run the Triangle at all. This team is what it is, holes and all. The major difference in Fisher and Rambis is that Rambis is more consistent with strategy, rotations and what he tells players. He's getting the team to practice together instead of individually. He's focused on giving the right feedback to Porzingis. This is a re-build throw a way year. No championships are going to be won. I have little problem with Rambis. This coming from a big KP fan, so saw him play only 20 minutes tonight.

Don't waste your breath nyknickzingis, after a loss it's the usual feeding frenzy from guys that live for this BS. I'm done with this crap! Let them have their fun stroking each other with negativity.

Nix maybe you missed this Rambis quote.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/andrewkeh/status/704141685656260609

I am not negative unless there is cause to be. There is cause to be. The offense is not right for the roster. The coach is not right for the roster or the offense.

the GM / president ain't right either. He may have been a good coach though just like jordan was a good player and a bad exec.

nyknickzingis wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Nixluva, it sounds like the head coach thinks the problem is... the offense.

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https://twitter.com/andrewkeh/status/704141685656260609

WTF does he know about the pinchy post?

But isn't this on Melo, though? If Melo keeps breaking away, going for a quick screen and shot that is on Melo. Melo not only holds on to the ball way too long in iso plays, he also is the biggest culprit of the worst thing you ever want in the Triangle - dribble for 7-8 seconds, launch a shot up that misses. Yes I know Kobe and Jordan did that as well, but when their usage was as high as Melo's their assists were way higher and lets not even talk about their scoring efficiency, and ability to handle the ball as guards (way better).

In the end the biggest mistake with this team the way it's constructed isn't the Triangle. It's that we rely on offense for Melo to be something he's not. He's a guy that can give you 20 points a night. Sometimes more when hot. He's not someone you should be asking to be your point guard or guy that orchestrates the offense. Which is what we're trying to get him to do ala Pippen/Jordan/Kobe.

I want to see this team with a Mike Conley level point guard and year older Porzingis (hopefully stronger) and Melo in a more typical fitting role. Think we'd be a much much better team running the Triangle even.

Melo was playing much better this season. His shooting % has been terrible though. He has dribbled dribbled and ISO-hold much less this season but tonight he was plain old brutal old melo. Still don't think that he is the problem. Phil for now is the main problem by a mile.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Clean wrote:I find it funny Rambis always talks about Jimmer with disdain but he plays Jose and Sasha without noticing the irony. I am not sure if Rambis is an upgrade over Fisher. I would have rather ride out the season with Fisher and then try to get an actual good coach.

Phil thought the problem was that Fisher wasn't running enough Triangle. Turns out Rambis running more Triangle makes them far worse.

Fisher had the team on a 8 losses out of 9 games run. That's 1-8 in his last 9. Rambis has gone 2-5. We're in a major rut. Fisher was not getting them out of it. Neither will Rambis. However I have seen some improvements since Rambis came in. If nothing else, the rotation. He runs a much cleaner, consistent rotation. Not on Rambis guys on this team can not make good looks on a consistent basis, that he doesn't have a point guard that can create offense at a high level or that he's got many many bad defenders. That's all part of re-building.

Regardless, I don't think Phil ever said Rambis was brought in to get the team into the playoffs. I think he made it clear it was to improve the type of style they were playing and to improve the habits. In a few games we saw this. In 2 games - no (Raptors, Heat). I will say, you talk about Fish as if he did a great job. His Knicks also lost to Miami twice in November - averaging 78 points. While Fisher may have run less Triangle - it's not like he didn't run the Triangle at all. This team is what it is, holes and all. The major difference in Fisher and Rambis is that Rambis is more consistent with strategy, rotations and what he tells players. He's getting the team to practice together instead of individually. He's focused on giving the right feedback to Porzingis. This is a re-build throw a way year. No championships are going to be won. I have little problem with Rambis. This coming from a big KP fan, so saw him play only 20 minutes tonight.

Don't waste your breath nyknickzingis, after a loss it's the usual feeding frenzy from guys that live for this BS. I'm done with this crap! Let them have their fun stroking each other with negativity.

Nix maybe you missed this Rambis quote.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/andrewkeh/status/704141685656260609

I am not negative unless there is cause to be. There is cause to be. The offense is not right for the roster. The coach is not right for the roster or the offense.

the GM / president ain't right either. He may have been a good coach though just like jordan was a good player and a bad exec.

I agree. He's done a bad job. The KP pick was a god send. Rolo signing was solid. Everything else...

mreinman wrote:can't give phil too much credit for picking KP unless we are sure that he was not going to pick Russell or Ok4 before KP. Picking KP at 4 was where many had him.

I'll give him credit for having the guts to make the pick instead of trading down for Kaminsky or something. It was a great pick. Even if that's all we get out of the Phil era, it will have been worth it.

I think we might be at the point where the Triangle is holding back KP's development though. He could be highly effective in the pick and roll or pick and pop.

nyknickzingis wrote:Yeah but RoLO and KP were Phil's only main assets to utilize. You get major impact when you have major assets to work with. A 4 year 50 million contract being given to a free agent is a major move/asset. A 4th pick in a lottery is a major asset to work with/used.

The rest of the roster is literally filled out with backups/disposed role players from other teams. I can't actually believe people think this is Phil's primary team or plan A team. There are still major assets to be used. One could be a Melo trade, the other is free agency in 2016 and 2017.

Rolo was a good signing but KP was not that big of a deal. Its not like he reached and landed. KP was at 4 of 70% of the mocks. Every other move was absolute trash. Lets see what else he got.

trash the triangle and hire the best available coach and then perhaps he will have a betting (re)starting point.

wh4t wrote:Knicks need Thibs

no can't do ... he don't know cobol

Kemet wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Kemet wrote:Ko"Quinn n Serafin seen no minutes against Whiteside n a missing Bosh
Grant seen 11 minute of spot time with a missing Afflalo in the rotation
u wouldve thought Rambis wouldve assign D.Will to outscore J.Johnson
Melo's 9-24 shooting took his teammates out of the offense

Did force a bit but had several misses going strong to the basket. Just no legs to finish. Specially playing 40 plus and asked to be point guard, leading rebounder and assist guy. Maybe he should have passed it a bit more to his sharp shooting back court. Your right about KO though. Curious why he was kept out. And Grant has to play more minutes today. Cant be worse than Gallo.

Melo got angry in the 2nd qtr. and never got into the game or back on defense, plus Melo takes the ball out of our PG hands to make consistent bad passes or miss shots .. Lance Thomas was hot as a fire cracker in the 3rd qtr., and Melo act like Lance didnt exist on the court in the 4th qtr..
Rambis says he knew the Heat has been averaging 60 points in the paint, yet Rambis DNP our big-body players O'Quinn n Seraphin, plus Rambis gave KP little to no playing time in the 3rd qtr. when we needed KP blocks for stops.

KP got his 4th foul 3 minutes in the third quarter and was -20 at the time. He had a terrible game. I love KP, but he had a terrible game.