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2/23/2016  6:44 PM
Carmelo Anthony couldn't wait to get out of Madison Square Garden on Monday night, and it's probably just a matter of time before he can't wait to get out of New York City, too.

It's been five years since he arrived and all he has to show for it is a scoring title and an achy left knee.

At least some of that can be blamed on his ill-fated decision to force a trade to New York, as it was a decision that, in the long run, preempted Chris Paul's desired arrival.

Since then, though, his front office has mostly failed him, and after striking out on a number of superstar caliber players, for Anthony, the only opportunity to win in New York now rests on convincing Kevin Durant to form a triangle with Anthony's 32-year-old knees and Phil Jackson.

That may be a tough sell, but the Knicks aren't beating LeBron James and Kyrie Irving with anything less than Durant and another All-Star caliber player flanking Anthony, and that's the main reason why some within his camp are advocating for his departure.

Once upon a time, Patrick Ewing was faced with the same quandary. He wanted nothing more than to win in New York and dedicated himself to that pursuit. By the time he found himself on the Seattle Supersonics, he had nothing left to give. Kevin Garnett was able to win a title with the Boston Celtics, but if you ask him what the biggest regret of his career is, he would admit that it wasn't pushing for such a move sooner. LeBron James' fear of the same fate is what led him to Miami, and it is that same fear that is causing some within Anthony's camp to advocate for the pursuit of greener pastures.

Anthony, from what I hear, has been steadfast in his dedication, but during All-Star Weekend, even he admitted that a conversation or two needed to be had. Then, Monday happened.

The last time Carmelo tried to leave Madison Square Garden that quickly, he had just slugged Mardy Collins.

Now, Anthony may soon be fleeing again, but not before having an audience with Durant. The two have a long-standing relationship that predates their entries into the NBA. With Durant four years younger than Anthony and growing up in close proximity to him, he came of age both in Anthony's shadow and, to an extent, under his guidance.

That may not be enough to lure Durant away from Russell Westbrook and convince him to take his talents back East, but there's no question that Anthony wants the opportunity to try.

And if Durant says no, there are other perceived difference makers-Dwight Howard, Al Horford, Pau Gasol and DeMar DeRozan among them-that will be available for the taking.

With or without Durant, though, even without saying it, you can tell that Anthony has put Phil Jackson on the clock. Now, it's up to Jackson to put his rings on the table prove that he can do a bit more than hire head coaches that attract the wrong type of attention.

When Anthony re-signed with the Knicks in July 2014, he did so with the understanding that it would take some time to rebuild a competitive roster around him. Kristaps Porzingis and Arron Afflalo are nice pieces, but they aren't exactly LaMarcus Aldridge and Jimmy Butler.

And if you were anywhere near Anthony during All-Star Weekend in Toronto or on Monday night after the Knicks got dropped by the Raptors, you would not only have heard him talk about him dreaming of playing with another superstar and calling out his Knicks teammates, you would have been able to peer into his eyes, hear the tone of his voice and know that the clock is ticking.

To this point, Jackson has brought some credibility to the organization and has helped to bring the long-term prospects of the franchise back to respectability. But Anthony ain't getting any younger, and Arron Afflalo, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis aren't toppling the Cavaliers, Raptors or Bulls in the conference.

With a third consecutive season without playoff basketball being played at Madison Square Garden and no 2016 first round pick to show for it, I'd be willing to bet that Anthony will soon come to terms with a divorce unless Jackson is able to surround him with two other All-Star caliber performers this summer. As Anthony closes in on 1,000 career regular season games, his tires have tread left, but the new car smell is long gone and his odometer is continually creeping upward.

Credit him for his dedication, but unless Tom Thibodeau and two superstars take up residence in New York City over the next five months, we may be seeing the final days of Anthony as a member of the Knicks.

Deep down inside, Anthony knows that his clock is ticking, so it's only fair that he puts Phil on one, too.

And you know what they say about those New York minutes, they run out faster than Carmelo Anthony did on Monday night.

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I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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2/23/2016  7:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/23/2016  7:56 PM
I'll welcome a trade. I think majority would, and so would Phil. Melo is the last player of the old Knicks culture. All about money, all about being a NY Knick above of what is actually important. Winning. I really appreciate Melo, but he didn't stay in NY to win. He did so because he wanted to stay in NY, wanted to be around all that comes with being a Knick, his wife/family and the MONEY. NO other team was giving him 5 years 124 million and a NTC. That's what it all comes down.

The fact that his body is wearing down, that instead of losing weight and coming in real light like someone of his age should, he's been lumbering with that same type of body for years. It's ok in your 20's if you're built like that. But come 30's with knee problems you have to become the lightest you've been in your career.

I don't question Melo's love for NY or wanting to be the man on a NY championship team.

I question whether he can actually do it, or if it's actually worth it to keep investing in the mediocrity Melo provides as the man. It's a totally different equation if Melo is not the man anymore. If next year we have Conley, we have Porzingis playing like an all-star, now Melo isn't expected to be the man. We can compete with him as the 2nd ballhandler in the offense, sometimes even the 2nd scoring threat. He can sit out games to rest his knees. He can play 30 minutes a night, instead of 40. That's all fine. However in his current role and our current situation the worst thing that we can do is keep him another season and also miss out on top free agents.

I think Phil truly sees this, but it'll require exactly what is going on right now. Melo frustrated and wanting to get traded. Since we missed out on our draft pick in 2016 which will likely be a top 10 pick, I wouldn't hate it if NY dealt with a team in the lottery for Melo. However it just won't happen, because Melo will control where he goes, and it's only Los Angeles, Miami or maybe Chicago. Of the 3 teams, I'd be receptive to Winslow/Miami deal, if they are willing. Winslow will never be as good as Melo, but he's a starting quality 2-way wing, who has immense defensive potential.

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2/23/2016  8:11 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:I'll welcome a trade. I think majority would, and so would Phil. Melo is the last player of the old Knicks culture. All about money, all about being a NY Knick above of what is actually important. Winning. I really appreciate Melo, but he didn't stay in NY to win. He did so because he wanted to stay in NY, wanted to be around all that comes with being a Knick, his wife/family and the MONEY. NO other team was giving him 5 years 124 million and a NTC. That's what it all comes down.

The fact that his body is wearing down, that instead of losing weight and coming in real light like someone of his age should, he's been lumbering with that same type of body for years. It's ok in your 20's if you're built like that. But come 30's with knee problems you have to become the lightest you've been in your career.

I don't question Melo's love for NY or wanting to be the man on a NY championship team.

I question whether he can actually do it, or if it's actually worth it to keep investing in the mediocrity Melo provides as the man. It's a totally different equation if Melo is not the man anymore. If next year we have Conley, we have Porzingis playing like an all-star, now Melo isn't expected to be the man. We can compete with him as the 2nd ballhandler in the offense, sometimes even the 2nd scoring threat. He can sit out games to rest his knees. He can play 30 minutes a night, instead of 40. That's all fine. However in his current role and our current situation the worst thing that we can do is keep him another season and also miss out on top free agents.

I think Phil truly sees this, but it'll require exactly what is going on right now. Melo frustrated and wanting to get traded.

Why is it that people bag a guy for having it all? Yes he stayed in NY because he wanted to play here as it is the Basketball Mecca. Yes he wanted to stay here because it is a place his family loves living in. Yes he wanted to stay here because it paid the most. So? Did he have a gun to the Knicks head? Did he force the entire Knick front office to come out and offer him a max deal? Dude, he has it all. Get over it. He is also playing the best ball of his career for us. If not for that freak ankle injury, who knows how well he would be playing right now. And your want him at a small forward weight? Really? I am sure that if you ask opposing defenders they will gladly agree with you as they would not have to deal with Melo and his power at a lighter weight. Smh. And when has he not been willing to be the secondary scorer? Don't know if you have been watching any games this year but he usually leads in assists and has been okay to wait on getting off shots early in the game to get other guys going. Would agree that he needs to play less minutes though. Feel they have done a poor job managing his minutes specially with the injuries.

And be careful what you wish for. I am sure your KP's biggest fan. I like him as well and I don't think he is as ready to be the number one guy just yet. Unlike hyped up fans, I am realistic and want him to progress slowly and with support around him. And we cant deny their is still a lot of progress left, specially with some of his Bargnani like nights hoisting up 3 pointers as he was a SG and disappearing for entire quarters. I prefer Melo around to take heat of KP and have him slowly develop by not having the pressure on him as the main focus of opposing teams defensive schemes. As we have seen when Melo is out it becomes a bit harder for other guys. Specially late in the game when defenses really pick up the defensive effort.

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2/23/2016  9:17 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Carmelo Anthony couldn't wait to get out of Madison Square Garden on Monday night, and it's probably just a matter of time before he can't wait to get out of New York City, too.

It's been five years since he arrived and all he has to show for it is a scoring title and an achy left knee.

At least some of that can be blamed on his ill-fated decision to force a trade to New York, as it was a decision that, in the long run, preempted Chris Paul's desired arrival.

Since then, though, his front office has mostly failed him, and after striking out on a number of superstar caliber players, for Anthony, the only opportunity to win in New York now rests on convincing Kevin Durant to form a triangle with Anthony's 32-year-old knees and Phil Jackson.

That may be a tough sell, but the Knicks aren't beating LeBron James and Kyrie Irving with anything less than Durant and another All-Star caliber player flanking Anthony, and that's the main reason why some within his camp are advocating for his departure.

Once upon a time, Patrick Ewing was faced with the same quandary. He wanted nothing more than to win in New York and dedicated himself to that pursuit. By the time he found himself on the Seattle Supersonics, he had nothing left to give. Kevin Garnett was able to win a title with the Boston Celtics, but if you ask him what the biggest regret of his career is, he would admit that it wasn't pushing for such a move sooner. LeBron James' fear of the same fate is what led him to Miami, and it is that same fear that is causing some within Anthony's camp to advocate for the pursuit of greener pastures.

Anthony, from what I hear, has been steadfast in his dedication, but during All-Star Weekend, even he admitted that a conversation or two needed to be had. Then, Monday happened.

The last time Carmelo tried to leave Madison Square Garden that quickly, he had just slugged Mardy Collins.

Now, Anthony may soon be fleeing again, but not before having an audience with Durant. The two have a long-standing relationship that predates their entries into the NBA. With Durant four years younger than Anthony and growing up in close proximity to him, he came of age both in Anthony's shadow and, to an extent, under his guidance.

That may not be enough to lure Durant away from Russell Westbrook and convince him to take his talents back East, but there's no question that Anthony wants the opportunity to try.

And if Durant says no, there are other perceived difference makers-Dwight Howard, Al Horford, Pau Gasol and DeMar DeRozan among them-that will be available for the taking.

With or without Durant, though, even without saying it, you can tell that Anthony has put Phil Jackson on the clock. Now, it's up to Jackson to put his rings on the table prove that he can do a bit more than hire head coaches that attract the wrong type of attention.

When Anthony re-signed with the Knicks in July 2014, he did so with the understanding that it would take some time to rebuild a competitive roster around him. Kristaps Porzingis and Arron Afflalo are nice pieces, but they aren't exactly LaMarcus Aldridge and Jimmy Butler.

And if you were anywhere near Anthony during All-Star Weekend in Toronto or on Monday night after the Knicks got dropped by the Raptors, you would not only have heard him talk about him dreaming of playing with another superstar and calling out his Knicks teammates, you would have been able to peer into his eyes, hear the tone of his voice and know that the clock is ticking.

To this point, Jackson has brought some credibility to the organization and has helped to bring the long-term prospects of the franchise back to respectability. But Anthony ain't getting any younger, and Arron Afflalo, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis aren't toppling the Cavaliers, Raptors or Bulls in the conference.

With a third consecutive season without playoff basketball being played at Madison Square Garden and no 2016 first round pick to show for it, I'd be willing to bet that Anthony will soon come to terms with a divorce unless Jackson is able to surround him with two other All-Star caliber performers this summer. As Anthony closes in on 1,000 career regular season games, his tires have tread left, but the new car smell is long gone and his odometer is continually creeping upward.

Credit him for his dedication, but unless Tom Thibodeau and two superstars take up residence in New York City over the next five months, we may be seeing the final days of Anthony as a member of the Knicks.

Deep down inside, Anthony knows that his clock is ticking, so it's only fair that he puts Phil on one, too.

And you know what they say about those New York minutes, they run out faster than Carmelo Anthony did on Monday night.

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this "article" is TOTAL GARBAGE

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/23/2016  10:49 PM
Well guess we will find out who really runs the New York Knicks this offseason
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2/23/2016  11:32 PM
dk7th wrote:this "article" is TOTAL GARBAGE

i'll admit that im completely biased since Moke is a good friend of mine...but how is this article total garbage? i think he gave insight into last nite being rock bottom for melo

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/24/2016  1:39 AM
Melo just needs to stay quiet he is the main reason we have been crappy. He can't stay healthy he take days off and plays in meaningless games. I questioned Melo after he stepped on the refs foot does he have the drive to play through injury. He doesn't have it. Just take the NTC off and Phil will find him a destination where he can thrive under other players.
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nyknickzingis wrote:I'll welcome a trade. I think majority would, and so would Phil. Melo is the last player of the old Knicks culture. All about money, all about being a NY Knick above of what is actually important. Winning. I really appreciate Melo, but he didn't stay in NY to win. He did so because he wanted to stay in NY, wanted to be around all that comes with being a Knick, his wife/family and the MONEY. NO other team was giving him 5 years 124 million and a NTC. That's what it all comes down.

The fact that his body is wearing down, that instead of losing weight and coming in real light like someone of his age should, he's been lumbering with that same type of body for years. It's ok in your 20's if you're built like that. But come 30's with knee problems you have to become the lightest you've been in your career.

I don't question Melo's love for NY or wanting to be the man on a NY championship team.

I question whether he can actually do it, or if it's actually worth it to keep investing in the mediocrity Melo provides as the man. It's a totally different equation if Melo is not the man anymore. If next year we have Conley, we have Porzingis playing like an all-star, now Melo isn't expected to be the man. We can compete with him as the 2nd ballhandler in the offense, sometimes even the 2nd scoring threat. He can sit out games to rest his knees. He can play 30 minutes a night, instead of 40. That's all fine. However in his current role and our current situation the worst thing that we can do is keep him another season and also miss out on top free agents.

I think Phil truly sees this, but it'll require exactly what is going on right now. Melo frustrated and wanting to get traded.

Why is it that people bag a guy for having it all? Yes he stayed in NY because he wanted to play here as it is the Basketball Mecca. Yes he wanted to stay here because it is a place his family loves living in. Yes he wanted to stay here because it paid the most. So? Did he have a gun to the Knicks head? Did he force the entire Knick front office to come out and offer him a max deal? Dude, he has it all. Get over it. He is also playing the best ball of his career for us. If not for that freak ankle injury, who knows how well he would be playing right now. And your want him at a small forward weight? Really? I am sure that if you ask opposing defenders they will gladly agree with you as they would not have to deal with Melo and his power at a lighter weight. Smh. And when has he not been willing to be the secondary scorer? Don't know if you have been watching any games this year but he usually leads in assists and has been okay to wait on getting off shots early in the game to get other guys going. Would agree that he needs to play less minutes though. Feel they have done a poor job managing his minutes specially with the injuries.

And be careful what you wish for. I am sure your KP's biggest fan. I like him as well and I don't think he is as ready to be the number one guy just yet. Unlike hyped up fans, I am realistic and want him to progress slowly and with support around him. And we cant deny their is still a lot of progress left, specially with some of his Bargnani like nights hoisting up 3 pointers as he was a SG and disappearing for entire quarters. I prefer Melo around to take heat of KP and have him slowly develop by not having the pressure on him as the main focus of opposing teams defensive schemes. As we have seen when Melo is out it becomes a bit harder for other guys. Specially late in the game when defenses really pick up the defensive effort.

Kp way better than melo for this team you're wrong on every post

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2/24/2016  2:06 AM
I remain optimistic that Melo will agree to a trade this offseason - hopefully before we make our offseason moves.
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Guys, love the knicks and love KP. But Melo is likely better than KP ever will be. Melo is unfortunately under-rated. He'd been injured the past few years here, and is breaking down/worn-out. Would be great to trade him now. The only thing the knicks have going for them is that we 1) have KP, 2) have RoLo under contract, 3) hope Melo can get better, 4) have a ton of cap space.

The cap space is the best thing, but is kinda worthless if we don't have guys opt out AND get a PG, SG and a backup PG and a backup PF and SF. Essentially, the whole team needs redoing, PLUS we need a new coach.

We are essentially screwed. the BEST thing phil did was 1) draft KP, 2) get Willy H, 3) try with Grant, 4) go after Kerr, 5) resign Melo (YES, Melo), 6) get Rolo, 7) NOT TRADE any draft picks, 8) Get AA (not Phil's fault AA is playing like @$$ - the guy used to be boss), 9) Get KOQ (again, not Phil's fault KOQ is playing like @$$ - his dad died and he never was the same), 10) Get Williams (again, not Phil's fault williams is @$$ now - he was good earlier in the season but now just sucks).

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2/24/2016  7:13 AM
smackeddog wrote:I remain optimistic that Melo will agree to a trade this offseason - hopefully before we make our offseason moves.

I am too, after Durant he would be the best player available and we could get assets back for him. I can't say this enough that Boston/Cleveland/NY trade would be a god send. Get a ton of youth and develop them. Then throw cap money at a young guy with a high ceiling like Barnes or Bazemore and tank again in 2017. By 2018 the Knicks could have a really decent young core that can grow together and thanks to cap growth they would have the cash needed to add a few high quality vets. Aka normal functional team stuff, which is way better than what they got now.

Resigning Melo was a great move because you got to get assets somehow and he was at the time the only attractive asset on the whole roster.

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HofstraBBall wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:I'll welcome a trade. I think majority would, and so would Phil. Melo is the last player of the old Knicks culture. All about money, all about being a NY Knick above of what is actually important. Winning. I really appreciate Melo, but he didn't stay in NY to win. He did so because he wanted to stay in NY, wanted to be around all that comes with being a Knick, his wife/family and the MONEY. NO other team was giving him 5 years 124 million and a NTC. That's what it all comes down.

The fact that his body is wearing down, that instead of losing weight and coming in real light like someone of his age should, he's been lumbering with that same type of body for years. It's ok in your 20's if you're built like that. But come 30's with knee problems you have to become the lightest you've been in your career.

I don't question Melo's love for NY or wanting to be the man on a NY championship team.

I question whether he can actually do it, or if it's actually worth it to keep investing in the mediocrity Melo provides as the man. It's a totally different equation if Melo is not the man anymore. If next year we have Conley, we have Porzingis playing like an all-star, now Melo isn't expected to be the man. We can compete with him as the 2nd ballhandler in the offense, sometimes even the 2nd scoring threat. He can sit out games to rest his knees. He can play 30 minutes a night, instead of 40. That's all fine. However in his current role and our current situation the worst thing that we can do is keep him another season and also miss out on top free agents.

I think Phil truly sees this, but it'll require exactly what is going on right now. Melo frustrated and wanting to get traded.

Why is it that people bag a guy for having it all? Yes he stayed in NY because he wanted to play here as it is the Basketball Mecca. Yes he wanted to stay here because it is a place his family loves living in. Yes he wanted to stay here because it paid the most. So? Did he have a gun to the Knicks head? Did he force the entire Knick front office to come out and offer him a max deal? Dude, he has it all. Get over it. He is also playing the best ball of his career for us. If not for that freak ankle injury, who knows how well he would be playing right now. And your want him at a small forward weight? Really? I am sure that if you ask opposing defenders they will gladly agree with you as they would not have to deal with Melo and his power at a lighter weight. Smh. And when has he not been willing to be the secondary scorer? Don't know if you have been watching any games this year but he usually leads in assists and has been okay to wait on getting off shots early in the game to get other guys going. Would agree that he needs to play less minutes though. Feel they have done a poor job managing his minutes specially with the injuries.

And be careful what you wish for. I am sure your KP's biggest fan. I like him as well and I don't think he is as ready to be the number one guy just yet. Unlike hyped up fans, I am realistic and want him to progress slowly and with support around him. And we cant deny their is still a lot of progress left, specially with some of his Bargnani like nights hoisting up 3 pointers as he was a SG and disappearing for entire quarters. I prefer Melo around to take heat of KP and have him slowly develop by not having the pressure on him as the main focus of opposing teams defensive schemes. As we have seen when Melo is out it becomes a bit harder for other guys. Specially late in the game when defenses really pick up the defensive effort.

Kp way better than melo for this team you're wrong on every post

Get off it. Just because I called you out on your ridiculous crystal ball predictions now you have a hissy fit about my postings. This from a guy that has several far fetched threads a day? If your going to be a Pro Boarder, you have to be able to take criticism.

Just being realistic in bringing up KP'S shortcomings and the strategy to hand over the keys to a first year player who still needs to improve. Before the idea of rebuilding around him begins just believe you have to see his second year and how he progresses. This board is full of long shot lovers and don't feel that's how we get put of our horrible streak of losing years. As for Melo, just tired of all the BS speculation. Don't believe he is going anywhere. Realistically, Phil will make a few adjustments this summer and bigger ones in 2017. That's it. So this wasted time spent on trade scenerios is exactly that. Waste of time. And as I keep telling you, just don't place high value on the starting fresh strategy with draft picks. Again, look at what Denver did after trading for Melo. It's what your claiming we should do. They took a young core of promising players and pilled up several picks. Problem is they were not able to keep most of those players when they became FA. Some of the promising players did not pan out. And most of all, the draft percentage game did not work out as easily as you may have people think. Just look at the 2014 draft which some act as if we gave Denver LBJ. Who did Denver pick again?

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2/24/2016  9:43 AM
Since then, though, his front office has mostly failed him, and after striking out on a number of superstar caliber players, for Anthony, the only opportunity to win in New York now rests on convincing Kevin Durant to form a triangle with Anthony's 32-year-old knees and Phil Jackson.

That's the premise of the article, but really it's half the story. You could say Melo failed the Knicks as well.

Management hasn't been perfect, but what they have been is willing to shell out dollars to get stars to play with Melo, and so far there have been no takers. If KD doesn't want to come, is that fully on Management? How else does one attract star players in this day and age other than to sell them on another star on the roster to pair up with? Telling that the interest is not really there to play with Melo.

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2/24/2016  10:03 AM
The embarrassing reality of the NBA is that a large majority of the GM's have no ****ing idea what they are doing. Melo, isn't perfect, but he is taking a lot of heat for no reason. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but Amare really is the reason this team never excelled and fans always gave the guy a pass. He could have waited till the offseason, but that's Dolan's fault.

Embarrassing mistakes

1. Picking up Billups option only to buy him out months later
2. Giving Steve Novak a 4 year 16MM deal
3. Trading a first round pick for Andrea

Had the Knicks not panicked and brought in chandler they would have actually maintained flexibility to buy out Amare and give Melo some real help here. His best teammate was probably JR Smith in his tenure here. That's not Westbrook, Parker/Leonard/Manu, Deandre/CP3, Wade/Bosh, so why is everyone so quick to jump on him. Most teams are bringing out 2/3 all stars that are in the playoffs.

Phil, made a very tough move in the Chandler deal. everyone wanted to talk about his value being down, but Caledron is one of the worst guards in the entire league and he added 3.5MM of salary this year and $7.5MM next year. Those are valuable dollars that could have been spent on someone that can actually contribute.

How many guys are averaging 21.6pts 8rbs 4.2assists.

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Andrew wrote:Since then, though, his front office has mostly failed him, and after striking out on a number of superstar caliber players, for Anthony, the only opportunity to win in New York now rests on convincing Kevin Durant to form a triangle with Anthony's 32-year-old knees and Phil Jackson.

That's the premise of the article, but really it's half the story. You could say Melo failed the Knicks as well.

Management hasn't been perfect, but what they have been is willing to shell out dollars to get stars to play with Melo, and so far there have been no takers. If KD doesn't want to come, is that fully on Management? How else does one attract star players in this day and age other than to sell them on another star on the roster to pair up with? Telling that the interest is not really there to play with Melo.

But who are the players who have moved? We had a chat with Deandre Jordan who resigned with his own team. We didnt even talk to Aldridge and most agreed he would be a poor fit. Who are the guys Melo has failed to lure? To be fair Robin Lopez and Tyson Chandler were the best FAs the Knicks have signed since Allan Houston and Chris Childs no?

Durant seems like a pipe dream. After him we are left with offering max deals to non max players like Batum, Conley, etc..

It was a good year. Knicks were .500, playing well, Melo was playing the best ball of his career and pop goes the ankle on a dumb injury. As it turns out this team cant win without Melo and he hasnt been very good since. Sometimes there are excuses. Other times there are reason. Sometimes its a mix of both.

The things that bugs me right now is the coaching situation. How do you lure FAs with Rambis and this hodgepodge staff? How do you build culture when Fisher cant make it through 2 seasons? I get the feeling most of these things will play out one way or another this offseason. Imagine if the Knicks win the lottery? Could be looking at a future of KP/Simmons. Wow. Perspective

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2/24/2016  10:10 AM
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CrushAlot wrote:
Carmelo Anthony couldn't wait to get out of Madison Square Garden on Monday night, and it's probably just a matter of time before he can't wait to get out of New York City, too.

It's been five years since he arrived and all he has to show for it is a scoring title and an achy left knee.

At least some of that can be blamed on his ill-fated decision to force a trade to New York, as it was a decision that, in the long run, preempted Chris Paul's desired arrival.

Since then, though, his front office has mostly failed him, and after striking out on a number of superstar caliber players, for Anthony, the only opportunity to win in New York now rests on convincing Kevin Durant to form a triangle with Anthony's 32-year-old knees and Phil Jackson.

That may be a tough sell, but the Knicks aren't beating LeBron James and Kyrie Irving with anything less than Durant and another All-Star caliber player flanking Anthony, and that's the main reason why some within his camp are advocating for his departure.

Once upon a time, Patrick Ewing was faced with the same quandary. He wanted nothing more than to win in New York and dedicated himself to that pursuit. By the time he found himself on the Seattle Supersonics, he had nothing left to give. Kevin Garnett was able to win a title with the Boston Celtics, but if you ask him what the biggest regret of his career is, he would admit that it wasn't pushing for such a move sooner. LeBron James' fear of the same fate is what led him to Miami, and it is that same fear that is causing some within Anthony's camp to advocate for the pursuit of greener pastures.

Anthony, from what I hear, has been steadfast in his dedication, but during All-Star Weekend, even he admitted that a conversation or two needed to be had. Then, Monday happened.

The last time Carmelo tried to leave Madison Square Garden that quickly, he had just slugged Mardy Collins.

Now, Anthony may soon be fleeing again, but not before having an audience with Durant. The two have a long-standing relationship that predates their entries into the NBA. With Durant four years younger than Anthony and growing up in close proximity to him, he came of age both in Anthony's shadow and, to an extent, under his guidance.

That may not be enough to lure Durant away from Russell Westbrook and convince him to take his talents back East, but there's no question that Anthony wants the opportunity to try.

And if Durant says no, there are other perceived difference makers-Dwight Howard, Al Horford, Pau Gasol and DeMar DeRozan among them-that will be available for the taking.

With or without Durant, though, even without saying it, you can tell that Anthony has put Phil Jackson on the clock. Now, it's up to Jackson to put his rings on the table prove that he can do a bit more than hire head coaches that attract the wrong type of attention.

When Anthony re-signed with the Knicks in July 2014, he did so with the understanding that it would take some time to rebuild a competitive roster around him. Kristaps Porzingis and Arron Afflalo are nice pieces, but they aren't exactly LaMarcus Aldridge and Jimmy Butler.

And if you were anywhere near Anthony during All-Star Weekend in Toronto or on Monday night after the Knicks got dropped by the Raptors, you would not only have heard him talk about him dreaming of playing with another superstar and calling out his Knicks teammates, you would have been able to peer into his eyes, hear the tone of his voice and know that the clock is ticking.

To this point, Jackson has brought some credibility to the organization and has helped to bring the long-term prospects of the franchise back to respectability. But Anthony ain't getting any younger, and Arron Afflalo, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis aren't toppling the Cavaliers, Raptors or Bulls in the conference.

With a third consecutive season without playoff basketball being played at Madison Square Garden and no 2016 first round pick to show for it, I'd be willing to bet that Anthony will soon come to terms with a divorce unless Jackson is able to surround him with two other All-Star caliber performers this summer. As Anthony closes in on 1,000 career regular season games, his tires have tread left, but the new car smell is long gone and his odometer is continually creeping upward.

Credit him for his dedication, but unless Tom Thibodeau and two superstars take up residence in New York City over the next five months, we may be seeing the final days of Anthony as a member of the Knicks.

Deep down inside, Anthony knows that his clock is ticking, so it's only fair that he puts Phil on one, too.

And you know what they say about those New York minutes, they run out faster than Carmelo Anthony did on Monday night.

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this "article" is TOTAL GARBAGE

Have had many battles on here with DK in the past but couldn't agree more about the article being garbage.

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2/24/2016  10:13 AM
fishmike wrote:
Imagine if the Knicks win the lottery? Could be looking at a future of KP/Simmons. Wow. Perspective

What lottery pick are you speaking of? Our 2016 first round pick belongs to Toronto courtesy of this guy.

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2/24/2016  10:14 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Carmelo Anthony couldn't wait to get out of Madison Square Garden on Monday night, and it's probably just a matter of time before he can't wait to get out of New York City, too.

It's been five years since he arrived and all he has to show for it is a scoring title and an achy left knee.

At least some of that can be blamed on his ill-fated decision to force a trade to New York, as it was a decision that, in the long run, preempted Chris Paul's desired arrival.

Since then, though, his front office has mostly failed him, and after striking out on a number of superstar caliber players, for Anthony, the only opportunity to win in New York now rests on convincing Kevin Durant to form a triangle with Anthony's 32-year-old knees and Phil Jackson.

That may be a tough sell, but the Knicks aren't beating LeBron James and Kyrie Irving with anything less than Durant and another All-Star caliber player flanking Anthony, and that's the main reason why some within his camp are advocating for his departure.

Once upon a time, Patrick Ewing was faced with the same quandary. He wanted nothing more than to win in New York and dedicated himself to that pursuit. By the time he found himself on the Seattle Supersonics, he had nothing left to give. Kevin Garnett was able to win a title with the Boston Celtics, but if you ask him what the biggest regret of his career is, he would admit that it wasn't pushing for such a move sooner. LeBron James' fear of the same fate is what led him to Miami, and it is that same fear that is causing some within Anthony's camp to advocate for the pursuit of greener pastures.

Anthony, from what I hear, has been steadfast in his dedication, but during All-Star Weekend, even he admitted that a conversation or two needed to be had. Then, Monday happened.

The last time Carmelo tried to leave Madison Square Garden that quickly, he had just slugged Mardy Collins.

Now, Anthony may soon be fleeing again, but not before having an audience with Durant. The two have a long-standing relationship that predates their entries into the NBA. With Durant four years younger than Anthony and growing up in close proximity to him, he came of age both in Anthony's shadow and, to an extent, under his guidance.

That may not be enough to lure Durant away from Russell Westbrook and convince him to take his talents back East, but there's no question that Anthony wants the opportunity to try.

And if Durant says no, there are other perceived difference makers-Dwight Howard, Al Horford, Pau Gasol and DeMar DeRozan among them-that will be available for the taking.

With or without Durant, though, even without saying it, you can tell that Anthony has put Phil Jackson on the clock. Now, it's up to Jackson to put his rings on the table prove that he can do a bit more than hire head coaches that attract the wrong type of attention.

When Anthony re-signed with the Knicks in July 2014, he did so with the understanding that it would take some time to rebuild a competitive roster around him. Kristaps Porzingis and Arron Afflalo are nice pieces, but they aren't exactly LaMarcus Aldridge and Jimmy Butler.

And if you were anywhere near Anthony during All-Star Weekend in Toronto or on Monday night after the Knicks got dropped by the Raptors, you would not only have heard him talk about him dreaming of playing with another superstar and calling out his Knicks teammates, you would have been able to peer into his eyes, hear the tone of his voice and know that the clock is ticking.

To this point, Jackson has brought some credibility to the organization and has helped to bring the long-term prospects of the franchise back to respectability. But Anthony ain't getting any younger, and Arron Afflalo, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis aren't toppling the Cavaliers, Raptors or Bulls in the conference.

With a third consecutive season without playoff basketball being played at Madison Square Garden and no 2016 first round pick to show for it, I'd be willing to bet that Anthony will soon come to terms with a divorce unless Jackson is able to surround him with two other All-Star caliber performers this summer. As Anthony closes in on 1,000 career regular season games, his tires have tread left, but the new car smell is long gone and his odometer is continually creeping upward.

Credit him for his dedication, but unless Tom Thibodeau and two superstars take up residence in New York City over the next five months, we may be seeing the final days of Anthony as a member of the Knicks.

Deep down inside, Anthony knows that his clock is ticking, so it's only fair that he puts Phil on one, too.

And you know what they say about those New York minutes, they run out faster than Carmelo Anthony did on Monday night.

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Melo will request a trade only when he makes sure the Knicks get nothing for him.

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MS wrote:The embarrassing reality of the NBA is that a large majority of the GM's have no ****ing idea what they are doing. Melo, isn't perfect, but he is taking a lot of heat for no reason. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but Amare really is the reason this team never excelled and fans always gave the guy a pass. He could have waited till the offseason, but that's Dolan's fault.

Embarrassing mistakes

1. Picking up Billups option only to buy him out months later
2. Giving Steve Novak a 4 year 16MM deal
3. Trading a first round pick for Andrea

Had the Knicks not panicked and brought in chandler they would have actually maintained flexibility to buy out Amare and give Melo some real help here. His best teammate was probably JR Smith in his tenure here. That's not Westbrook, Parker/Leonard/Manu, Deandre/CP3, Wade/Bosh, so why is everyone so quick to jump on him. Most teams are bringing out 2/3 all stars that are in the playoffs.

Phil, made a very tough move in the Chandler deal. everyone wanted to talk about his value being down, but Caledron is one of the worst guards in the entire league and he added 3.5MM of salary this year and $7.5MM next year. Those are valuable dollars that could have been spent on someone that can actually contribute.

How many guys are averaging 21.6pts 8rbs 4.2assists.

well people blame Melo for that also. Who were the FAs Ewing attracted? Melo is blamed for the bad trade that brought him here. Melo is blamed for the poor moves management has made since he's been here and if we *do* trade him for a player and a couple picks and we stink for 3-4 more years he will be blamed for setting the franchise back (our own Gunsnewing has already mentioned Melo has set us back 5-10 years).
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2/24/2016  10:18 AM
fishmike wrote:
MS wrote:The embarrassing reality of the NBA is that a large majority of the GM's have no ****ing idea what they are doing. Melo, isn't perfect, but he is taking a lot of heat for no reason. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but Amare really is the reason this team never excelled and fans always gave the guy a pass. He could have waited till the offseason, but that's Dolan's fault.

Embarrassing mistakes

1. Picking up Billups option only to buy him out months later
2. Giving Steve Novak a 4 year 16MM deal
3. Trading a first round pick for Andrea

Had the Knicks not panicked and brought in chandler they would have actually maintained flexibility to buy out Amare and give Melo some real help here. His best teammate was probably JR Smith in his tenure here. That's not Westbrook, Parker/Leonard/Manu, Deandre/CP3, Wade/Bosh, so why is everyone so quick to jump on him. Most teams are bringing out 2/3 all stars that are in the playoffs.

Phil, made a very tough move in the Chandler deal. everyone wanted to talk about his value being down, but Caledron is one of the worst guards in the entire league and he added 3.5MM of salary this year and $7.5MM next year. Those are valuable dollars that could have been spent on someone that can actually contribute.

How many guys are averaging 21.6pts 8rbs 4.2assists.

well people blame Melo for that also. Who were the FAs Ewing attracted? Melo is blamed for the bad trade that brought him here. Melo is blamed for the poor moves management has made since he's been here and if we *do* trade him for a player and a couple picks and we stink for 3-4 more years he will be blamed for setting the franchise back (our own Gunsnewing has already mentioned Melo has set us back 5-10 years).

the only blame that melo should get is not playing more team ball before this season. Blaming him for anything else is silly.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Hamilton: With Carmelo's Frustration Boiling Over Phil Jackson is on the Clock

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