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A prettier mess is still a mess
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2/19/2016  11:37 PM
The glass is half-full. We have a rising young star. We have more young pieces with upside. We have a manegable roster with relative short contracts. We have a star playing the way fans have always wanted. We have a man with more rings than fingers calling the shots. Dolan is being kept away.

Everything is great, right?

But its not. While the future does look brighter with Porzingis and some of the other pieces, the truth is that this is still a mess. A mess in what is probably one of the most important aspects of a team: its philosophy.

Phil Jackson can't seem to let go of the triangle, which did have an impact on the short and disappointing tenure of rookie coach Derek Fisher. What can truly be expected of his successor? Who could that be, considering Jackson seems to pick from his close friends and associates. Those have proved to be unsuccessful installing a triangle-related system that becomes a winner in the NBA.

Its also too late in the game to get Phil back in the sidelines, so that ship has sailed.

Can a coach look at the Knicks job as an opportunity to build hos vision, or be blindfolded by the triangle? Its not even about the triangle, its more to do with Phil being the president and understanding its the coach who has to coach. You have pieces of the puzzle set? Look for a coach to maximize those pieces and work on getting him better pieces.

This is a vital issue because it will dictate the next moves the team does.

Things do look better than the disaster the president inherited. But this franchise has an identity crisis that could turn a beautiful mess into another dark age.

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2/19/2016  11:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2016  11:46 PM
It's more than the triangle, but running the triangle too much is part of it.

Until recently I thought the Knicks could have it both ways in that they could try to win with Melo and at the same time try to build around KP with some youth piece here and there. But now I think it has to be one or the other.

This year is a mess thanks to that Idiot Grunwald (and Dolan) but going forward the Knicks need to decide if they should tank for youth next season or move every and anything not named Melo and KP for better players. Its up to Phil, and I am ok with that.

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2/20/2016  10:03 AM
We have some young players and a possible franchise player who is 20. This summer depending on what happens with Afflalo/Calderon (If AA opts out, Jose is stretched or traded) we can have up to 30 million in capspace. We've got to re-sign D-Will if he opts out, because he has shown legit potential and fitting in off the bench, is only 24. Last night even was hitting the corner 3's. I'm not in favor of keeping guys close to 30, because by the time Porzingis is in his 3rd or 4th year - and ready for prime time - those guys will be on decline. Gomez is a nice talent from Spain that can come over next year and really help the Center spot. Don't need Seraphin or O'Quinn really.

Way I see it.

5- Lopez/Porzingis/Hernangomez
4- Porzingis/Melo
3- Melo/Williams
2- Starting SG/Galloway
1- Starting PG/Grant

If D-Will costs about 6 million per year to re-sign, that leaves 24 million to address the starting guard spots. May not be easy, still. But we can upgrade. I'd let Afflalo walk, and I'd try to get a team to take on Jose's last year of his contract (It is possible to dump his salary as there are many of teams with capspace left over after free agency).

Again in 2017, the Knicks can have capspace to keep adding some players. If we keep them together in a year from now heading in to 2017 free agency we'll have Porzingis (21), Galloway (25), Grant (24), Williams (25) still in their mid-to early 20's with prime years ahead. You have to get some major talent in free agency, that is without question what the team needs.

I don't think we're a mess because we have room to grow with KP and some of the players I've listed and we have capspace in 2016 and 2017. The only place we're really hit a wall in is the Melo situation. He's making franchise player money, but can't carry the team like a franchise player. He's an all-star caliber player, our best player on offense, but he's not worth the money he's getting and is on physical decline. It's a tough situation to build around. I'm hoping either Porzingis and a free agent can come in and take the load of Melo in terms of being the go to guy and franchise player or we trade Melo for some more young players who fit the Porzingis/Galloway/Williams/Grant age group.

One thing to remember - Phil didn't create the mess with draft picks. Had the Knicks had their draft pick this year, we'd have had a nice pick to look forward to this summer. That's the only thing that I'm not happy about. We're going to have a 10th pick or so in the draft lost for a stupid trade his predecessor made.

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2/20/2016  10:12 AM
This is why I like what Phil is doing
Jackson’s firm rule at the trade deadline, per league sources, was that the Knicks hold on to their 2018 first-round pick.

It’s unclear how frequently the Knicks were asked for the pick in the days leading up to the trade deadline, but what is clear is that it was off limits, according to league sources familiar with the club’s thinking.

“Phil said that they weren’t dealing it,” was how one source put it.

In years past, the Knicks dealt future draft picks to bring in players they believed would help them in the present.

New York sent Denver its 2014 first-round pick in the Carmelo Anthony trade; it also agreed to swap its 2016 first-round pick with the Nuggets' in that transaction.

That 2016 pick? The Knicks don't have that one, either. They agreed to send it to Toronto via the Andrea Bargnani trade.

The Knicks won't give up draft picks. I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a way to get back into the 2016 draft with either buying a lower 1st round draft pick from a team looking to sell a pick for more cap room or to make a trade like last year with Hardaway Jr for a 19th pick.

It's going to take some time, and probably longer than most want to wait. Got to do this right, though. The easiest thing would to be to go out and try and make a big trade using future and current draft picks (Like Hernangomez, Grant). However in the long run the best thing is to wait for Porzingis and these picks to be on the same team together for a few years, surround them with some quality free agents and let them peak together.

While Washington, Detroit and Orlando all made moves, I also think the Knicks showed they weren't desperate enough to make a playoff push to sacrifice the future. This is key. The past shows us doing this again and again and never to avail. If only we had passed on dealing for Bargnani, Phil would have had a nice lottery pick talent to work with going into next season.

A prettier mess is still a mess

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