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BRIGGS
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2/19/2016  12:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2016  12:13 AM
Unless they get hurt--I think each can commands longer salaries that one year. Even if Affalo got 3 years 22.5---its a no brainer and someone will give him that. I think D Will maybe a little less but the MLE will be in the 8mm range. Id bet each will opt out. So we should have close to another 14mm to spend.
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2/19/2016  12:24 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Unless they get hurt--I think each can commands longer salaries that one year. Even if Affalo got 3 years 22.5---its a no brainer and someone will give him that. I think D Will maybe a little less but the MLE will be in the 8mm range. Id bet each will opt out. So we should have close to another 14mm to spend.

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2/19/2016  12:28 AM
of course they will. Affalo will opt out for a LONGER deal since hes older...and DWill will opt out for more money

the question is - what happens if (or when) the knicks fail to land a prized free agent. will they go back to these AVERAGE players and give them what they want

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/19/2016  1:04 AM
callmened wrote:of course they will. Affalo will opt out for a LONGER deal since hes older...and DWill will opt out for more money

the question is - what happens if (or when) the knicks fail to land a prized free agent. will they go back to these AVERAGE players and give them what they want

i hope not, but glad that at the same time both affalo and dwill low iq players as far as triangle is concerned will be gone.

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2/19/2016  3:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2016  3:43 AM
Cartman718 wrote:
callmened wrote:of course they will. Affalo will opt out for a LONGER deal since hes older...and DWill will opt out for more money

the question is - what happens if (or when) the knicks fail to land a prized free agent. will they go back to these AVERAGE players and give them what they want

i hope not, but glad that at the same time both affalo and dwill low iq players as far as triangle is concerned will be gone.

See, I go the other way. I actually like both players. Rambis said he plans on calling more plays himself from the sidelines (I read Fisher called zero plays)--interested to see if this helps Afflalo. I'd actually like to see this dude's number called more.. Unlike most around here, I want Afflalo shooting the ball. I thought that's why he was brought here.. Until we come up with something better (and if they're still interested in winning games--Rambis said they are, said the playoffs are a goal to shoot for), he needs to be established as an offensive focal point. I think we need to get this guy going early and often.

D-Will just doesn't fit this ****amamie system at all. Again with Rambis--interested to see how he handles D-Will too. Rambis, being the triangle traditionalist/enthusiast that he is, may not be a big fan of Derrick's. Took him awhile to get him in the game right before the break.. Still, as we've seen, Williams could be effective esp. if we acquired a few more players that fit his style--a faster/uptempo PG and a quicker/uptempo SG could really bring out the best in Williams. There are cheap/no-risk players out there that fit the bill--Phil doesn't appear to be interested. I wonder what the plan was when Phil acquired Williams. To play a quicker style at times, to get out in transition and get some easy buckets each game -- great, D-Will can't do it all by himself however. Wish Phil would've went "all in" a little more with a couple of more players like this. Williams should be on the receiving end so much more--we just don't have PGs that can get out on the break and feed him like that. Instead, the poor guy's trying to go coast to coast himself a lot for transition buckets. He's got no one else on this team that plays his style of ball.

Before I question Afflalo and Williams, I'd question the system, how these two are being used and the players around them first--all suspect imo...but that's me.

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2/19/2016  7:12 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Unless they get hurt--I think each can commands longer salaries that one year. Even if Affalo got 3 years 22.5---its a no brainer and someone will give him that. I think D Will maybe a little less but the MLE will be in the 8mm range. Id bet each will opt out. So we should have close to another 14mm to spend.

We have another 14mm to spend........
On guys we have to replace them with. Does that really advance us? if the price goes up for them, won't it on others as well? If money is a gauge, then we have to spend more to get equal value in return, or more to upgrade.

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2/19/2016  7:40 AM
Good riddance to afflalo, never been a fan of his. As for dwill i have come to appreciate his play of the bench. Originally i didnt like the signing because he had been sort of a draft bust, but since coming to the knicks he has provided good energy and scoring off the bench
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2/19/2016  10:26 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Good riddance to afflalo, never been a fan of his. As for dwill i have come to appreciate his play of the bench. Originally i didnt like the signing because he had been sort of a draft bust, but since coming to the knicks he has provided good energy and scoring off the bench

Dwill has a nice role off the bench for us. I am hoping we resign him for a reasonable deal. I have no problem resigning Afflalo, but prefer him as a 6th man. Really hoping for Batum or Bazemore, who is a young 3-and-D. Both would be good fits.

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2/19/2016  10:30 AM
Not sure Williams will leave, but I think some of it depends on how he does and how he's used the the rest of the year.

Might also depend on who the next coach is.

Not sure a guy like Williams would get much burn with Thibs as coach- given his ideas on D, and Rambis did not give him much time the other day, either.

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2/19/2016  10:40 AM
There was no doubt both out opt out IMO. Williams has tailed off a bit, so maybe he won't but given the salaries people received last off-season and the cap set to go up again, I wouldn't be surprised if he rolled the dice.
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2/19/2016  10:44 AM
callmened wrote:of course they will. Affalo will opt out for a LONGER deal since hes older...and DWill will opt out for more money

the question is - what happens if (or when) the knicks fail to land a prized free agent. will they go back to these AVERAGE players and give them what they want

The beautiful thing is that after this draft we have all our first rounders, so suddenly we have more tanking options. If we luck out in free agency Melo will ask for a trade- simple as that.

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2/19/2016  10:59 AM
smackeddog wrote:
callmened wrote:of course they will. Affalo will opt out for a LONGER deal since hes older...and DWill will opt out for more money

the question is - what happens if (or when) the knicks fail to land a prized free agent. will they go back to these AVERAGE players and give them what they want

The beautiful thing is that after this draft we have all our first rounders, so suddenly we have more tanking options. If we luck out in free agency Melo will ask for a trade- simple as that.

I wish we had some second rounders as well but you bring a good point up that obtaining assets will be easier. Its evident the current trade market is a sellers market as asking prices are too high.
Can Dwight Howard really opt out and go from 23 mil to a 30 mil per year deal. For how many years? Horford is has been good but has had pectoral problems and he'll want super large money. Teague is good, but at 28 and not much left on his deal is not 1st round draft material unless its bottom of the draft.

Fans are down on Grant but he might not be a lost cause. Its not worth giving up a no. 1 pick given we are not like super contending now and we can only trade a 2018 pick.
Teague contract is over by then!!!! Or Beverly.

basically we tried to upgrade the position with Jose and KOQ and found not much available.

Patience is not settling, its intelligent.

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2/19/2016  11:47 AM
smackeddog wrote:
callmened wrote:of course they will. Affalo will opt out for a LONGER deal since hes older...and DWill will opt out for more money

the question is - what happens if (or when) the knicks fail to land a prized free agent. will they go back to these AVERAGE players and give them what they want

The beautiful thing is that after this draft we have all our first rounders, so suddenly we have more tanking options. If we luck out in free agency Melo will ask for a trade- simple as that.

opt out after having a less then stellar season, yeah i could see teams lining up for a 40% shooter on non playoff team.

I think smackdog wants to follow in the 76rs fool proof plan, build through the draft, and and suck badly for 10 more yrs

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2/19/2016  1:33 PM
callmened wrote:of course they will. Affalo will opt out for a LONGER deal since hes older...and DWill will opt out for more money

the question is - what happens if (or when) the knicks fail to land a prized free agent. will they go back to these AVERAGE players and give them what they want

it's funny remembering the anger and outrage when Phil gave them player options. they were always going to opt out and that's pretty good for the Knicks. There will be $36M or so to spend in cap room this summer.

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2/19/2016  2:49 PM
really the wild card is DWill. He's the guy who has rotation/building block potential. AA is nothing but a stopgap. He's a useful piece for his salary and role, but we all know this is a short stop for him. If AA ops out its a plus. Just more flexibility. Even if we take a step backward and arent able to really upgrade the backcourt fine... AA just doesnt move the needle enough to worry me. Also we have our pick next year so if we stink we stink and draft.

DWill on the other hand... there is a legit chance this guy finds himself. He's got a good motor. He can certainly score and is a capable rebounder (inconsistent but improved through the year). $5mm next year makes him both a potential future piece to resign or a very nice trade asset. Hard to imagine him not opting out though. I would suspect in this new cap he could get a 3/$36mm deal from someone and he would be stupid not to take it. Are we willing to pay that for him? Considering our needs no... I would not.

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2/19/2016  2:55 PM
fishmike wrote:really the wild card is DWill. He's the guy who has rotation/building block potential. AA is nothing but a stopgap. He's a useful piece for his salary and role, but we all know this is a short stop for him. If AA ops out its a plus. Just more flexibility. Even if we take a step backward and arent able to really upgrade the backcourt fine... AA just doesnt move the needle enough to worry me. Also we have our pick next year so if we stink we stink and draft.

DWill on the other hand... there is a legit chance this guy finds himself. He's got a good motor. He can certainly score and is a capable rebounder (inconsistent but improved through the year). $5mm next year makes him both a potential future piece to resign or a very nice trade asset. Hard to imagine him not opting out though. I would suspect in this new cap he could get a 3/$36mm deal from someone and he would be stupid not to take it. Are we willing to pay that for him? Considering our needs no... I would not.

i like dwill but i agree i wouldnt pay him that much
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:really the wild card is DWill. He's the guy who has rotation/building block potential. AA is nothing but a stopgap. He's a useful piece for his salary and role, but we all know this is a short stop for him. If AA ops out its a plus. Just more flexibility. Even if we take a step backward and arent able to really upgrade the backcourt fine... AA just doesnt move the needle enough to worry me. Also we have our pick next year so if we stink we stink and draft.

DWill on the other hand... there is a legit chance this guy finds himself. He's got a good motor. He can certainly score and is a capable rebounder (inconsistent but improved through the year). $5mm next year makes him both a potential future piece to resign or a very nice trade asset. Hard to imagine him not opting out though. I would suspect in this new cap he could get a 3/$36mm deal from someone and he would be stupid not to take it. Are we willing to pay that for him? Considering our needs no... I would not.

i like dwill but i agree i wouldnt pay him that much
what is tough is he may be worth it. Might not also.. but hard to let good talent walk and he's got it. Tough choice.
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2/19/2016  4:51 PM
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:really the wild card is DWill. He's the guy who has rotation/building block potential. AA is nothing but a stopgap. He's a useful piece for his salary and role, but we all know this is a short stop for him. If AA ops out its a plus. Just more flexibility. Even if we take a step backward and arent able to really upgrade the backcourt fine... AA just doesnt move the needle enough to worry me. Also we have our pick next year so if we stink we stink and draft.

DWill on the other hand... there is a legit chance this guy finds himself. He's got a good motor. He can certainly score and is a capable rebounder (inconsistent but improved through the year). $5mm next year makes him both a potential future piece to resign or a very nice trade asset. Hard to imagine him not opting out though. I would suspect in this new cap he could get a 3/$36mm deal from someone and he would be stupid not to take it. Are we willing to pay that for him? Considering our needs no... I would not.

i like dwill but i agree i wouldnt pay him that much
what is tough is he may be worth it. Might not also.. but hard to let good talent walk and he's got it. Tough choice.

We'll see if teams want to offer him that much. He may not have done enough to warrant that type of deal yet.

I could see something more like 3yr $24M total for DWill. At that level, I'd consider it.

Remember we can use our cap space first and sign him last and his cap hold is only $6M, so we can go over the cap to re-sign him, if he wants to stay.

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I think Affalo and D Will both opt out

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