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"Stepien" Rule and Knicks #1 pick in 2017 and Jeff Teague . . .
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Malcolm
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2/16/2016  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2016  1:39 PM
Okay.

My understanding (after exhaustive research) is that the "Stepien" rule prohibits teams from being without a #1 pick in two consecutive years.

That's "a #1 pick" . . . and not "their own #1 pick".

So, the Knicks could trade their #1 pick in 2017 (and some other stuff) to Atlanta . . . for Jeff Teague . . . if they also get back Atlanta's #1 pick.

Voila (!) I've solved the Knicks' PG problem.

You're welcome . . .

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dacash
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2/16/2016  1:30 PM
EMAIL THIS TO MILLS NOW
NOW DAMMIT LOL
Malcolm
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2/16/2016  1:31 PM
dacash wrote:EMAIL THIS TO MILLS NOW
NOW DAMMIT LOL
What's his email address (?)
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2/16/2016  1:32 PM
I don't think they can do a pick swap in 2017. They can't trade their 2017 pick until AFTER they make the selection.
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2/16/2016  1:32 PM
??? Why would Atlanta trade Teague and their #1 pick to get back a #1? Doesn't make sense
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
Malcolm
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2/16/2016  1:33 PM
crzymdups wrote:I don't think they can do a pick swap in 2017. They can't trade their 2017 pick until AFTER they make the selection.
I believe they can . . . as described above.
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2/16/2016  1:35 PM
Malcolm wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I don't think they can do a pick swap in 2017. They can't trade their 2017 pick until AFTER they make the selection.
I believe they can . . . as described above.

Okay, you are correct according to the article below. I did not realize this.

Well that's certainly an option to entice another team - question is, would Atlanta think they'd have a better record than the Knicks after next season. Could be an option.

In that way, the team that conceded the pick swap option ensures it keeps a first-round pick; it just may be lower than it otherwise would have been. It also helps to get around the Stepien Rule, which bars teams for trading future first-round picks from consecutive years. The Nets traded their 2014, 2016 and 2018 first-round selections to Boston. The Stepien Rule prevents them from trading their 2015, 2017 and 2019 picks to the Celtics (or anyone). But the Stepien Rule doesn't block the pick swap option, because the Nets will still have a pick that year.

The question is whether the team giving up the option is really losing much, and whether the team taking it is gaining much.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7/12/4517142/nba-draft-pick-swap-option-trades-free-agency

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Malcolm
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2/16/2016  1:37 PM
BigRedDog wrote:??? Why would Atlanta trade Teague and their #1 pick to get back a #1? Doesn't make sense
How about:

They think Jackson is a nutcase and that by 2017 he will have destroyed the Knicks completely . . . and the Knicks #1 pick will therefore be a lottery pick . . . whereas the Atlanta #1 pick in 2017 will only be something like a #20 overall player.

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2/16/2016  1:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2016  1:58 PM
WAIT (!) I've even got an improvement over my previous proposal.

Atlanta gets: The Knicks really, really good 2017 #1 pick (probably a lottery pick, because we all know that Jackson and Knicks suck) plus some other stuff (whatever).

Knicks get: Jeff Teague and Atlanta's really, really bad 2016 #1 pick (currently around #20 overall -- Jerian Grant quality).

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2/16/2016  2:00 PM
Yes you can trade with swapping picks, you just have to be sure you have a pick in the draft in 2017 since you won't have one in 2016.
But I don't think Atlanta is going for the swapping picks option or Phil. Phil wants to keep the pick and re-build with the draft. We are doing it right this time, no more trying to jump the gun and get players in that weren't brought up through the system.

I'm probably in the minority, but I still like Grant and I still like Galloway. We've got 2 young guards there. If we can get another guard via free agency, we're in business. Even so, at times if you draft well you can get a player in the 2nd round. Jordan Clarkson was a 2nd round pick. As was Monta Ellis.

The Knicks should be thinking of selling, not buying. Look to see if a contender or playoff team wants bench depth with Calderon or Afflalo. Get a few 2nd round picks or a future 1st rounder.

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2/16/2016  2:10 PM
Malcolm wrote:
dacash wrote:EMAIL THIS TO MILLS NOW
NOW DAMMIT LOL
What's his email address (?)

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2/16/2016  2:35 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Yes you can trade with swapping picks, you just have to be sure you have a pick in the draft in 2017 since you won't have one in 2016.
But I don't think Atlanta is going for the swapping picks option or Phil. Phil wants to keep the pick and re-build with the draft. We are doing it right this time, no more trying to jump the gun and get players in that weren't brought up through the system.

I'm probably in the minority, but I still like Grant and I still like Galloway. We've got 2 young guards there. If we can get another guard via free agency, we're in business. Even so, at times if you draft well you can get a player in the 2nd round. Jordan Clarkson was a 2nd round pick. As was Monta Ellis.

The Knicks should be thinking of selling, not buying. Look to see if a contender or playoff team wants bench depth with Calderon or Afflalo. Get a few 2nd round picks or a future 1st rounder.

I've been saying we should be selling for like 3/4 weeks now. I even made a thread saying we should put everyone besides Melo and KP on the trade block and get what we can for each player in draft picks or young players that won'y hurt our cap.

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2/16/2016  4:09 PM
Some fans dont learn. When we trade picks it NEVER works. At this point we should be trying to gain picks and additional cap space. Maybe we can somehow get a contending team to bite and offer a late 1st
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2/16/2016  4:48 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Some fans dont learn. When we trade picks it NEVER works. At this point we should be trying to gain picks and additional cap space. Maybe we can somehow get a contending team to bite and offer a late 1st

exactly! lol. adding teague would make us go from a mediocre team to afringe playoff team. YAY!lol. were not gonna win this yr or next yr. when the speedy teague will start to decline in his 30s.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/16/2016  6:01 PM
dacash wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
dacash wrote:EMAIL THIS TO MILLS NOW
NOW DAMMIT LOL
What's his email address (?)

BIGCHEIFTRIANGLE@GMAIL.COM
11RINGS@GMAIL.COM
ZENIT@GMAIL.COM
GOINK@GMAIL.COM
PEYOTEBLUES@GMAIL.COM

Why do I feel like he's still on Yahoo! Mail though?

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