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Phil Must Get a point guard before the deadline
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EnySpree
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2/16/2016  12:03 PM
The way I see it, there isn't any other way. Only point guard worth picking up in free agency is Mike Conley. He's not going anywhere unless we severely overpay.

There are alot of dangling point guards out there:

Darren Collison
Teague
Jared Jack
Aaron brooks
mo williams
Brandon Jennings
Michael carter williams
lou williams
Jrue holiday
Norris Cole
Corey Joseph
Brandon Knight
Wroten
Jimmer

we gotta get someone.... you can come up with a legit fair trade for each of these guys. Someone needs to be a knick by this deadline. This is the time to get one.

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2/16/2016  12:09 PM
You're going to overpay with assets now and overpay with money in the summer.

I'd include a future first WITH PROTECTION.

I don't think there's any other way we can get one, honestly.

I'd target Jennings for Calderon and a 2018 first WITH PROTECTION. I think Jennings is the best PG we can realistically get. I don't think we can get Teague or Jrue Holiday.

Collison somewhat appeals to me.

None of the other names on that list appeal to me.

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2/16/2016  12:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:You're going to overpay with assets now and overpay with money in the summer.

I'd include a future first WITH PROTECTION.

I don't think there's any other way we can get one, honestly.

I'd target Jennings for Calderon and a 2018 first WITH PROTECTION. I think Jennings is the best PG we can realistically get. I don't think we can get Teague or Jrue Holiday.

Collison somewhat appeals to me.

None of the other names on that list appeal to me.

I would offer that protected pick for Teague because he's signed another year at $8mm. So if he's my starting PG I have him locked into a cap friendly deal and I would use a protected pick for that. For Jennings no... because if he plays great he's going to be looking at $15mm somewhere so I don't want to give up a pick AND have to pay a guy.

I think Atl would really like to have Lance. Some value there for sure. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I usually dread trade deadline days. Mo Taylor!

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2/16/2016  12:32 PM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:You're going to overpay with assets now and overpay with money in the summer.

I'd include a future first WITH PROTECTION.

I don't think there's any other way we can get one, honestly.

I'd target Jennings for Calderon and a 2018 first WITH PROTECTION. I think Jennings is the best PG we can realistically get. I don't think we can get Teague or Jrue Holiday.

Collison somewhat appeals to me.

None of the other names on that list appeal to me.

I would offer that protected pick for Teague because he's signed another year at $8mm. So if he's my starting PG I have him locked into a cap friendly deal and I would use a protected pick for that. For Jennings no... because if he plays great he's going to be looking at $15mm somewhere so I don't want to give up a pick AND have to pay a guy.

I think Atl would really like to have Lance. Some value there for sure. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I usually dread trade deadline days. Mo Taylor!

I just can't see us having the best offer for Teague. I'd take him in a heart beat if we could get him.

I predict a team like Utah gets him. They have so much young talent on rookie deals.

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2/16/2016  12:52 PM
Its easier said then done. I dont see us in the playoffs this year anyway. Id rather try to get some picks and create cap space for the summer
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2/16/2016  12:55 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its easier said then done. I dont see us in the playoffs this year anyway. Id rather try to get some picks and create cap space for the summer

The Knicks have cap space in the summer. The opportunity is to grab a good point guard now and than put some money up for a upgrade at shooting guard. That's progress. If we don't grab a point guard now the Knicks will be sick trying to get both holes filled in the off season

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2/16/2016  1:07 PM
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its easier said then done. I dont see us in the playoffs this year anyway. Id rather try to get some picks and create cap space for the summer

The Knicks have cap space in the summer. The opportunity is to grab a good point guard now and than put some money up for a upgrade at shooting guard. That's progress. If we don't grab a point guard now the Knicks will be sick trying to get both holes filled in the off season

One way or another I expect Phil to add a guard to this roster. It's just too big of a need and his stated goal is to get back into the playoff race. We can't do that by standing pat. A combination of a rested team, some practices and hopefully an upgrade at guard should do it. This team blew a lot of close games and I think there's a good chance they can get over the top in the upcoming games if they can do the things I listed above.

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2/16/2016  1:17 PM
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its easier said then done. I dont see us in the playoffs this year anyway. Id rather try to get some picks and create cap space for the summer

The Knicks have cap space in the summer. The opportunity is to grab a good point guard now and than put some money up for a upgrade at shooting guard. That's progress. If we don't grab a point guard now the Knicks will be sick trying to get both holes filled in the off season

once again we have no assets so its a mute point
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2/16/2016  1:21 PM
if their is a trade, it will be for someone we never talked about
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2/16/2016  1:34 PM
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its easier said then done. I dont see us in the playoffs this year anyway. Id rather try to get some picks and create cap space for the summer

The Knicks have cap space in the summer. The opportunity is to grab a good point guard now and than put some money up for a upgrade at shooting guard. That's progress. If we don't grab a point guard now the Knicks will be sick trying to get both holes filled in the off season

One way or another I expect Phil to add a guard to this roster. It's just too big of a need and his stated goal is to get back into the playoff race. We can't do that by standing pat. A combination of a rested team, some practices and hopefully an upgrade at guard should do it. This team blew a lot of close games and I think there's a good chance they can get over the top in the upcoming games if they can do the things I listed above.

I saw an article speculating about candidates for the Knicks point guard spot. They had video clips and I have to say I would still like Wroten. I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the guy signed and they reset in the summer if they needed to.
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2/16/2016  1:41 PM
Interesting from Berman - Phil would consider Rondo and didn't like what Fisher said about him.

The Phil Jackson-Derek Fisher disconnect ran as deep as Rajon Rondo.

According to an NBA source, the Kings point guard will still “keep an open mind’’ regarding the Knicks this July when he becomes a free agent, despite Fisher’s cutting remarks.

Before Fisher’s last game as the Knicks’ head coach, the Super Sunday matinee versus Denver, Fisher denigrated Rondo, who had seemingly taken a poke at the triangle offense.

According to the source, Jackson likes Rondo’s skill set a lot and feels he can mesh him into any system, triangle or no triangle. It seems bizarre with the Knicks desperate for a point guard this summer that Fisher would take a shot at Rondo, considering management’s view of the former Celtic.

There seemed many factors in the decision to let Fisher go, but that remark couldn’t have helped matters as that night Jackson contacted owner James Dolan to make his decision to promote Kurt Rambis.

It all started when Rondo, before facing the Nets, was asked by The Post about the Knicks’ controversial system.

“The triangle is not really a good look for me, I don’t think,” Rondo responded. The source said Rondo was not in any way demeaning its use, just stating his opinion about how his skills would fit.

Fisher seemed to take it as a much bigger affront.

The two had their wars in two NBA Finals — in 2008 and 2010, when Fisher played for the Lakers and Rondo for the Celtics — and it showed.

A reporter asked Fisher if he was concerned an elite point guard would make such a remark.

“That’s your decision on whether or not he’s elite or not,’’ Fisher said. “You can’t ask him, when he wasn’t very successful playing against it, whether or not he wants to play in it. That’s his opinion. That’s fine. He doesn’t play for us. We’re not concerned about his opinion about us at this point.’’

Sources have indicated Fisher is a huge fan of Memphis point guard Mike Conley, a fellow left-handed playmaker who also is an Arkansas product.

Fisher could very well not know Jackson’s respect for Rondo’s game. Rondo has resurrected his career in Sacramento after his messy divorce from Dallas, where he clashed with coach Rick Carlisle. Rondo is averaging 11.9 points and a league-leading 11.9 assists. Though not considered a very good outside shooter, Rondo is shooting 46 percent from the field and 35.8 percent from 3-point land.

Since the firing, sources have indicated Jackson and Fisher just didn’t talk nearly as much as the Zen Master envisioned when he hired him off the playing court. Jackson hinted along those lines when he discussed the firing last Monday.

“We had a line of communication,’’ Jackson said. “A lot of times it was one way and I understand. A lot of times it was, the conversation might have been through written emails where he was either in a practice or a situation and he usually, a lot of the times sent me back a short note — got it or will get on it.’’

Jackson added he told Fisher in the meeting that maybe he didn’t “mentor” Fisher “as well as I should have.’’

When he coached, Jackson was big on developing strong personal relationships with his players. A source said Fisher may have not stepped up in that department either in getting to know the players well enough, perhaps distancing himself too much.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/15/did-blasting-rajon-rondo-blast-derek-fisher-off-knicks/

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