GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

I know that you meant well but Obama is not conservative. Obama may not be extreme left but he's been a very progressive president. I don't see how he could've done much better than he did given the obstruction of the Republican led congress. Obama has been the most progressive president in recent history and would've done more if not for Congress.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

I know that you meant well but Obama is not conservative. Obama may not be extreme left but he's been a very progressive president. I don't see how he could've done much better than he did given the obstruction of the Republican led congress. Obama has been the most progressive president in recent history and would've done more if not for Congress.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Im sorry Nix but you have absolutely no idea what a progressive is.

Going to the GOP and offering to gu Social Security and medicare in his "grand bargain" is not progressive.

Renewing the Bush tax cuts for the rich in the middle of the great recession was not progressive.

Neither was the austerity program on the poor and middle class.

Prosecuting fewer corporate criminals than any president in more than 30 years, less than George W Bush.

Prosecuting more whislteblowers and reporters than all other presidents combined, has classified more information than George Bush

Gave us a healthcare plan that was Bob Dole's without any price controls.

Made a deal with big pharma not to negotiate prescription drug prices, despite having the most expensive in the world.

Made it legal to kill on imprison an American for life without trial or charges,

opened up drilling all over the US coast, which even some republicans thought went too far.

Approved the dumping of the oil dispersant corexit to disperse the oil from the drilling disaster despite it being banned almost everywhere else because its so toxic. Its going to take decades to undo the damage.

The best Obama could do was for Wall Street and other power brokers, the rest got austerity.

Forgot to add his crowning achievement, the TPP which effectively places corporations over countries, including the US.

GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

+1

GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

Agree

Knicks1969 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

Agree

Agree its going to be a battle.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

I know that you meant well but Obama is not conservative. Obama may not be extreme left but he's been a very progressive president. I don't see how he could've done much better than he did given the obstruction of the Republican led congress. Obama has been the most progressive president in recent history and would've done more if not for Congress.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Im sorry Nix but you have absolutely no idea what a progressive is.

Going to the GOP and offering to gu Social Security and medicare in his "grand bargain" is not progressive.

Renewing the Bush tax cuts for the rich in the middle of the great recession was not progressive.

Neither was the austerity program on the poor and middle class.

Prosecuting fewer corporate criminals than any president in more than 30 years, less than George W Bush.

Prosecuting more whislteblowers and reporters than all other presidents combined, has classified more information than George Bush

Gave us a healthcare plan that was Bob Dole's without any price controls.

Made a deal with big pharma not to negotiate prescription drug prices, despite having the most expensive in the world.

Made it legal to kill on imprison an American for life without trial or charges,

opened up drilling all over the US coast, which even some republicans thought went too far.

Approved the dumping of the oil dispersant corexit to disperse the oil from the drilling disaster despite it being banned almost everywhere else because its so toxic. Its going to take decades to undo the damage.

The best Obama could do was for Wall Street and other power brokers, the rest got austerity.

Forgot to add his crowning achievement, the TPP which effectively places corporations over countries, including the US.

Never let the PERFECT be the enemy of the GOOD. No President is going to be perfectly Progressive. You can go down a list and pick at things Obama did or didn't do but that list doesn't compare to all the MANY, MANY things he did do to advance the Progressive Agenda.

Obama has moved the Progressive Agenda further along than any President since the 60's. You're arguing PURITY over what can PRACTICALLY be done in this environment. You're version of a Progressive President has NEVER existed and will NEVER be allowed to accomplish the true goals of a PURIST PROGRESSIVE AGENDA!!! I fully understand what the Progressive goals are but in reality there has to be some recognition of the fact that this isn't a 100% Progressive country. Also once you're in the machine you are NOT free to do whatever you want and you're not all powerful. There are always constraints on power and concessions that are made by a President.

Richard Nixon founded the EPA, OSHA, and opened relations between China and the US, does that make him a progressive? Of course not. You are suggesting that the president did the best he could to make this a more progressive country, I am suggesting that the president did almost everything he could to do the opposite.

All the items I listed were a choice, not a compromise. And every single one has hurt this country immeasurably. What I listed was a strategy to give corporate America even more power, discourage dissent, and make the rich even richer. It was no accident that almost all the gains from this so called recovery went to the top one percent.

I will throw a quote right back at you, "Judge a man by his actions".

When you have the time do a little research on the TPP. I posted about it here a few years ago. It was negotiated with representatives of over more than 400 corporations. Obama wouldnt allow any govt officials to see what exactly was being negotiated, including the media. Eventually they let congress read it but they were watched by trade officals while they read, could not take notes, or leak the info or be prosecuted. Corporations all access pass, Our elected representatives muzzled.

Someone leaked a draft. It gives corporations the abilty to skirt US laws, sue any country that prevents them in any way from making money including anti-tobacco ads, buy American programs, any regulation that hurts their bottom line. And you know who decides? Not the country being sued, but a panel of lawyers who alternate between deciding cases and working for the same people they are passing judgement upon. Obama has tried to cram this deal down our throats, it will drive down wages, increase the offshoring of jobs, prescription drug prices among other things, it will be the final nail in the coffin of the middle class, and the poor will suffer even more. None of what I just cited are the actions of anyone but a very conservative president. His hero is Ronald Reagan, please Nix.

Going back to Nixon only proves things are much more divided and extreme than ever. If Obama is So conservative why did Congressional opposition reach unprecedented levels during his Presidency?

It's simply not realistic to expect PURIST PROGRESSIVISM to go unchallenged by the Conservatives! You think only a narrow view of what is or isn't progressive is right and like anything in life there are varying degrees. Progressive doesn't mean ONLY the extreme left. Calling Obama conservative is false and insulting. A candidate like Bernie wouldn't even have a chance without the accomplishments of Obama!!! Whether you acknowledge it or not Obama moved the ball way down the Progressive court!

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

I know that you meant well but Obama is not conservative. Obama may not be extreme left but he's been a very progressive president. I don't see how he could've done much better than he did given the obstruction of the Republican led congress. Obama has been the most progressive president in recent history and would've done more if not for Congress.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Im sorry Nix but you have absolutely no idea what a progressive is.

Going to the GOP and offering to gu Social Security and medicare in his "grand bargain" is not progressive.

Renewing the Bush tax cuts for the rich in the middle of the great recession was not progressive.

Neither was the austerity program on the poor and middle class.

Prosecuting fewer corporate criminals than any president in more than 30 years, less than George W Bush.

Prosecuting more whislteblowers and reporters than all other presidents combined, has classified more information than George Bush

Gave us a healthcare plan that was Bob Dole's without any price controls.

Made a deal with big pharma not to negotiate prescription drug prices, despite having the most expensive in the world.

Made it legal to kill on imprison an American for life without trial or charges,

opened up drilling all over the US coast, which even some republicans thought went too far.

Approved the dumping of the oil dispersant corexit to disperse the oil from the drilling disaster despite it being banned almost everywhere else because its so toxic. Its going to take decades to undo the damage.

The best Obama could do was for Wall Street and other power brokers, the rest got austerity.

Forgot to add his crowning achievement, the TPP which effectively places corporations over countries, including the US.

Never let the PERFECT be the enemy of the GOOD. No President is going to be perfectly Progressive. You can go down a list and pick at things Obama did or didn't do but that list doesn't compare to all the MANY, MANY things he did do to advance the Progressive Agenda.

Obama has moved the Progressive Agenda further along than any President since the 60's. You're arguing PURITY over what can PRACTICALLY be done in this environment. You're version of a Progressive President has NEVER existed and will NEVER be allowed to accomplish the true goals of a PURIST PROGRESSIVE AGENDA!!! I fully understand what the Progressive goals are but in reality there has to be some recognition of the fact that this isn't a 100% Progressive country. Also once you're in the machine you are NOT free to do whatever you want and you're not all powerful. There are always constraints on power and concessions that are made by a President.

Richard Nixon founded the EPA, OSHA, and opened relations between China and the US, does that make him a progressive? Of course not. You are suggesting that the president did the best he could to make this a more progressive country, I am suggesting that the president did almost everything he could to do the opposite.

All the items I listed were a choice, not a compromise. And every single one has hurt this country immeasurably. What I listed was a strategy to give corporate America even more power, discourage dissent, and make the rich even richer. It was no accident that almost all the gains from this so called recovery went to the top one percent.

I will throw a quote right back at you, "Judge a man by his actions".

When you have the time do a little research on the TPP. I posted about it here a few years ago. It was negotiated with representatives of over more than 400 corporations. Obama wouldnt allow any govt officials to see what exactly was being negotiated, including the media. Eventually they let congress read it but they were watched by trade officals while they read, could not take notes, or leak the info or be prosecuted. Corporations all access pass, Our elected representatives muzzled.

Someone leaked a draft. It gives corporations the abilty to skirt US laws, sue any country that prevents them in any way from making money including anti-tobacco ads, buy American programs, any regulation that hurts their bottom line. And you know who decides? Not the country being sued, but a panel of lawyers who alternate between deciding cases and working for the same people they are passing judgement upon. Obama has tried to cram this deal down our throats, it will drive down wages, increase the offshoring of jobs, prescription drug prices among other things, it will be the final nail in the coffin of the middle class, and the poor will suffer even more. None of what I just cited are the actions of anyone but a very conservative president. His hero is Ronald Reagan, please Nix.

Going back to Nixon only proves things are much more divided and extreme than ever. If Obama is So conservative why did Congressional opposition reach unprecedented levels during his Presidency?

It's simply not realistic to expect PURIST PROGRESSIVISM to go unchallenged by the Conservatives! You think only a narrow view of what is or isn't progressive is right and like anything in life there are varying degrees. Progressive doesn't mean ONLY the extreme left. Calling Obama conservative is false and insulting. A candidate like Bernie wouldn't even have a chance without the accomplishments of Obama!!! Whether you acknowledge it or not Obama moved the ball way down the Progressive court!

Surprised you dont know the answer, its because Obama is black.

If being someone who doesnt want to see corporate america have dominion over our govt our laws, our lives, who believes that no American should be put to death or imprisoned without a trial, that our jobs shouldnt be offshored, that we shouldnt be spied upon is a "Purist" than I wear that badge with honor. You arent a progressive, if anything you're a liberal. A progressive cares about policy, a liberal these days cares about the party. What was wrong in the Bush administration is Ok in the Obama administration.

Your defense of Obama is exactly why Bernie Sanders is shaking things up in this election, and why Hillary is on the ropes. Hillary could get the super delegate vote which cancels out the popular vote, which would cause the party to fracture. I guess there are tens of millions of "purists" out there as well.