What positive impact is he having on this team? Can people name a few reasons on why he should stay?

Grant hasn't improved due to Fisher destroying his confidence, Calderon is a defensive sieve per usual, and let's not even mention the atrocity of game management, no set plays, and lack of X and Os teaching during time outs.

Dude should've been fired at the half after the Knicks quit on him in the first half of the Detroit game. Phil will let him finish the season due to "loyalty" unfortunately.

"It's the process not the playoffs". Famous last words...

Nalod wrote:I doubt anyone here knows how Fish has impacted Grants confidence as we don't know the process or the problems specifically.

Losing 9 of ten is no joke but I doubt its reason to fire the coach. You do such a move to save the season as move back to the teams expected trajectory. This was a playoff bound team and Melo was being hailed as a great turn around story. Then he got injured, and now as we read the Patella tendonitis is to be expected the rest of the season.

Fault: Most coach's will take some blame and its to be expected. Phil has to address the back court and Grant is no doubt a disappointment at this stage of the season. KOQ and Seraphin are there too! Calderon is about what we expected but we had hoped Grant or Galloway would take his place by now. Galloway is finding his way back and his defense is very good.

As for Fish, I only see him being fired if he is not into the job anymore and perhaps now almost two seasons in to the gig realizes he'd rather do TV work and take it easy. That, or he just plain sucks at the job. If so, this was a bad hire. He has a ton of experienced coach's on his staff and while Knicks1969 thinks we should have some big name as a lead assistant, I think Rambis and cleamons both have enough experience to aid him just fine.

So what is it? Team does not win without Melo and his MVP to this team is not without question. The guy has done great when he plays. Outside of KP, really the biggest upgrade has been with Rolo! Dwilliams is very inconsistent.

Fire the coach is OK when there is a problem with his personality or the schematic that coach brings. I don't think we are throwing out the triangle or deviating from the long term plan.

Glass half full?, maybe instead of bashing Fish it could be seen he had the team playing over its head and was doing a great job until Melo got hurt!!! Some might think this is a .500 team and anything less is underachieving. Others might have thought 32-37 wins and as long as the team is improving that's a good trend.

Settling or disappointed? I guess to each his own!

Take a step out of "big picture" or macro look.

See what's happening actually real-time during the games. Fisher is blowing winnable games when timeouts should be called especially at end of games he just does a Phil Jackson "play on" instead of drawing up a set play.

Knicks don't have a Jordan or Kobe or Shaq or Gasol that can bail them out, they need teaching and instruction when the panic meter is on level 100.

You can't progress even in a rebuild, when you keep repeating the same mistakes. And if it is a true rebuild, why isn't Grant playing. Him living and learning on the job from mistakes would tell everyone that it's a true rebuild.

Not having Calderon play at all and letting Grant run the show would curb alot of Knicks fans grumblings and expectations for the remote chance of them making the playoffs this season. Instead of a gradual rookie learning curve, he has "zero learning" curve and could potentially be out of the league in a few years the way Fisher has destroyed what little confidence had left.

GustavBahler wrote:Been saying since the beginning of the season that the jury was out on Fisher and that he shouldn't be a lock to come back next season. I really dont want to get into a debate on the virtues of tne Triangle, my problem with its implimentation is with when Phil and by extension Fisher decided to implement it.

Yes, there was more talent on those teams back then which definitely helped with the results, but it was also about how long said players had been teammates. The Knicks we see now are a long way from the roster we will see if the Knicks become contenders, yet Phil is mandating a system that really isnt ready for prime time IMO. If there was one thing all ex-championship players who were on those teams had in common, they were all saying that this was a very hard system to learn.

There are some things Fisher has done this season which would be foolish in any system, but I do believe that we would be 5-10 games better without the Triangle. Grant would be a lot more comfortable, and closer to logging big minutes. Im not opposed to the Triangle being implimented, my problem is when Phil decided to put it in. I think of the Triangle as a Cadillac offense, but we dont have a roster good enough, and who have and will be together long enough for it to be anything but a drag on this team.

I think this is spot on.

We've looked horrible at times this year, because guys are being asked to do things they've never had to do- e.g., operate in a very foreign system.

Then, on top of this, how many of these guys are going to be here next year?

Far wiser would have been a standard, accessible offense and work in the triangle with specific sets.