nixluva wrote:knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:Rondo might be being hasty in his assumptions. It may not be the PnR bonanza some teams run but the version we're running isn't totally devoid of PnR or creativity. A lot of titles won in this style. Does he want Titles or just to play his way? I would take it as a challenge if it was me. If you believe you're a great player then you should still be great no matter the system.Rondo doesn't seem to realize that most of the time he'd be running 2 man with MELO or KP!!! He doesn't have to even worry about the Side Triangle!
No he will not, some of the time he might...most? Not a chance. Rondo knows in this offense he'd be a limited player similar to Ron Harper was with the Bulls and most recently Gary Payton with the Lakers. PG's don't thrive in this system, none have. Gary Payton for instance couldn't even figure the system out because in his very own words.....
"You have to have players that can run a system like that. I did it in 2004 and it was not for me. I was used to coming off pick and rolls I couldn't do it. I had to go to this spot, I had to backdoor this way. And if you break down the play, Phil would be up screaming on you."
The irony of Payton's quote is that he clearly does understand what to do in the triangle, but it didn't suit his game, because he was a different type of player just like Rondo is a different type.
More importantly, I find it interesting that here is a player on record reportedly turning down the Knicks because of the system they play.
As far as the rest of your post, it's ironic that Rondo has won a title against the very same system he knows he isn't a good fit for. he's seen up close and personal, twice.
Sure, the triangle has won a lot of titles, but those players aren't in the league anymore and the coach doesn't coach anymore. We've also see the triangle when devoid of talent as well and it's lost every single time. To be factual the vaunted triangle two two L's WITH HOF talent too, both with Phil as coach with the Lakers. 04 and 08.
Its silly to bring up Harper playing with MJ n Pippen or Payton who was playing with Shaq, Kobe and Malone!!! There's no way he would be able to dominate the ball under those circumstances. So yes PEYTON's role would be reduced on a team that loaded! It's not the same with this team. We don't have a Kobe or Shaq! Rondo would indeed be used mostly on the weak side just like Shved. Moreover Payton and the Lakers did well. Losing in the Finals may have been disappointing but IT WAS THE NBA FINALS!!! Payton avgd 14.6/5.5 with a 49.8% efg which was 2nd highest on the team. Payton avgd 12.5 shots per game the 3rd most on the team. He was hardly held back by the system considering how much talent they had and his age of 35.
As for Rondo I'm not saying he's a perfect Triangle guard but he is mistaken in his opinions of the system. You're wrong if you think Rondo would be forced to play away from the Pinch Post side of the floor. We don't have a Kobe so like Shved, Rondo would me more in more of an attack role rather than standing and watching like Fisher!
The TRUTH is that this system is slightly different with each roster. The way they played with MJ, Pippen, Kukoc n Rodman is not the same as Kobe, Shaq or Kobe, Pau n Bynum. Rondo would learn the system from a much deeper perspective than you do just playing AGAINST IT. It's nowhere near the same level of understanding. If just playing against it was enough everyone would be an expert.
Not silly at at all. Previous to the Bulls, Harper was a 20ppg scorer, his role changed. As as Payton goes, it's not about dominating the ball, but exactly what he said, his game was pick and roll, which the triangle does not favor as much.
And he said the system didn't fit him, his words, and if you watched that team despite stats...he struggled.
Not really sure where you're getting the idea that thr triangle changed so much from team to team, there's plenty of vidoes of Kobe perfectly duplicating Jordans moves in the exact same sets. there's no variance there at all.
Look Nix, I get it, you'll defend the system at all cost, you're entitled to that, but I'll take a professional players words who has played against the triangle and won a title against it over opinions any day.
He said he wouldn't fit, and that's that. Rondo has a title, he doesn't need to be challenged. His team beat the triangle the first time they played against it.
I think his opinion matters way more.
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