newyorker4ever wrote:Ok, and??

Either we have the worse luck or a weak medical staff. IDK, its just very unfortunate, and depressing. Houston was carrying the knicks and playing at the highest level of his career, then we got marbury, a perfect back court mate, and he goes down.

Ewing gets LJ, Camby, spree and Houston, and then he starts to crumble. Now we have KP and melo seems to be on a similar path.

You can't trade melo unless its for another all star that demands just as much attention, trading him for depth or draft picks is not going to change much. Especially with a coaching staff that doesn't utilize players skill set.

You practically need a all star line up for this coaching staff to be successful

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Ok, and??

Either we have the worse luck or a weak medical staff. IDK, its just very unfortunate, and depressing. Houston was carrying the knicks and playing at the highest level of his career, then we got marbury, a perfect back court mate, and he goes down.

Ewing gets LJ, Camby, spree and Houston, and then he starts to crumble. Now we have KP and melo seems to be on a similar path.

You can't trade melo unless its for another all star that demands just as much attention, trading him for depth or draft picks is not going to change much. Especially with a coaching staff that doesn't utilize players skill set.

You practically need a all star line up for this coaching staff to be successful

The curse of Les boulés. We ride these dudes so hard to prove that they are worthy of the contracts,and for years we had a terrible medical staff. Fisher played a Terrible role as it relates to how he used Carmelo as well. Dude had just returned from an ankle sprain, immediately he end up playing more than 40 minutes that night, due to poor in game rotation

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nixluva wrote:Most coaches need All Stars to really succeed. I think this team was playing well ABOVE expectations until the injury bug hit so despite all the complaints they actually were doing a good job. This team isn't loaded with offensive talent. A lot of guys are inconsistent as well.

As for injury it's unfortunate but what are we gonna do? Everything is a gamble in sports. I don't think anyone expected MELO to not have some setbacks in his remaining career. Just gotta hope it's minor and that rest and rehab will help. He's never going to be 100% pain free. If he needs a break so be it.

IMO KP changes everything. His situation is more like Ewing and Bernard King. We may not have had the chance to see them together but we still had a young Ewing. KP is the future which makes everything else with MELO less detrimental IMO. If MELO needs breaks then he needs breaks. Doesn't change KP's presence and his being the key to the future. We'll be building around KP anyway.

You don't have to build around KP, he's a guy that will never be a leader, what he will be is a very good player that can play off of anyone.
He doesn't have the personality to be that vocal leader, most Euro players are very team oriented and will either lead by example, or work with in a team concept.

Dude, the league is no where near as talented as it was in the 80"s 90's and early 2k. The griz are not that much more talented than us, neither is boston or the other 4 teams we just lost to. But they run systems that caters to it's personnel, we run a system that caters to the coach.

It's the exact reason why Barkley looked at the roster early in the season, and figured we finally got some NBA talent, and the overall talent in the NBA is kind of leveling out, which is exactly what the wanted.

The Knicks have two big issues: coaching and PG. The coaching spot can improve if we replace Fisher or if we give him a credible partner to guide him on the bench.

As it relates to PG, that might prove to be the hardest task to fix. Not many PGs want to play in such system. Furthermore, there ain't really that many players out there to fill the spot. The task is a daunting; which might explains why it has been one of our problems for more than two decades

knickscity wrote:Melo has missed time with the Knicks due to injuries year he's been here. His contract has little to do with that. he's just not durable.

Until last season,Carmelo was very durable

It is what it is. We have to get the most out of his contract at this point. If he can keep playing the way he is playing exerting all his energy on defense, rebounding and moving the ball for a good 30mins you take it but the rest of the roster has to improve some way somehow

knickscity wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Melo has missed time with the Knicks due to injuries year he's been here. His contract has little to do with that. he's just not durable.

Until last season,Carmelo was very durable

He really hasn't been, he plays injured. he's done it every season here. Elbow when traded, groin in 2012, Shoulder in 2013 and knee, Shoulder/knee in 2014, the other knee in 2015, and now soreness in same knee in 2016.

Just because he tries to play through his injuries doesn't mean he's durable. By definition he's injury prone.

And who is not? Even Lebron is dealing with health issues. Jordan had issues too

knicks1248 wrote:Melo has been relatively health for much of his career, all of a sudden he's starting to break down, or he can't play with a little pain.

Seems like everyone the knicks re-signed to big contract, never ever live up to it, and this goes all the way back to ewings last big contract.

all of a sudden? he just a knee surgery last yr. hes older and it was bound to catch up with him. the last 2 players to have that type of injury/surgery were dwayne wade and danny granger. im pretty sure he will have another surgery in the offseason

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HofstraBBall wrote:So the Knicks should only sign 1 year deals. Got it. Great strategy. Im sure we will get all the high tier players. Melo was signed with no signs or history of knee problems. Injuries are unfortunate. Think more should be put on the poor management of minutes and days off given by the staff. Think Melo needs the same representation Matt Harvey has. One that complains about a teams demands that may hurt the players future. Unfortunately, Melo also is a gamer and may be too influenced by public opinion. I'm sure he is aware of the bad press and reaction by fans to players in the past that have not played through injuries. Unfortunate because more emphasis should be put on getting a player right, not what everyone else thinks.

This is false.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/carmelo-kings-knee-no-go-article-1.1229071This was during the 2012-13 season.

A lot of work for no point. Where does it say he had any kind of long term structural damage? So anyone who has had a hyper extended knee should be ruled out of long term deal. Wow. Let's start the list then.....