BRIGGS wrote:Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016.

Ummmmmmmmmm huh?? Who's Dragic?? It doesn't matter cause no way in hellz Boston gives up all that for Rolo. Sometimes i think you're just trolling these boards.

really terrible mate

fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)

really terrible mate

I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.

On a side note, I wonder what David Lee's market value will be this summer (I understand he's not the point of the trade). I'd happily welcome him back as a reserve big for $2M - $2.5M, somewhere between what we're giving Amundson and Seraphin.

BRIGGS wrote:Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016.

I would actually consider this trade, but the one player we need to trade is none other than Jose

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dragic and picks 21 31 34 in 2016.

Ummmmmmmmmm huh?? Who's Dragic?? It doesn't matter cause no way in hellz Boston gives up all that for Rolo. Sometimes i think you're just trolling these boards.

A late 1 and 2 2s for Lopez? I think thats reasonable. I guess ive been trolling for 13 years before you got here? What exactly do you say that makes any sense??? any post even 1?

Lol

That was soooooo funny wasn't it?? You know who you are....lol. Now that's funny.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)

really terrible mate

I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.

sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?

you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.

But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?

We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.

WHAT HE SAID!

babyKnicks wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)

really terrible mate

I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.

sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?

you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.

But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?

We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.

WHAT HE SAID!

Personally, I was hoping to purchase a late 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. Rolo is showing his worth as he recovers from his mystery ailment from earlier in the season. He sure is better than Flu Tyson. He of the 2 point, single digit rebound game.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)

really terrible mate

I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.

sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?

you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.

But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?

We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.

My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.

If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:So hand Boston a guy who immediately helps them secure a playoff spot we are competing for
Remove one of the key guys KP plays well next to
Knicks immediately get worse and trade a FA in the first year of his deal (not a warm and fuzzy when you are trying to attract other FAs)

really terrible mate

I look at GS SA CLev --we dont need Lopez --but I think you're right Boston does. If you believe R Lopez is an answer for the Knicks to win a championship--I guess you dont think about it. I tend to look at the Knicks as a work in progress and we need more assets. This frees up 13mm in cap and gives us a sweet spot to draft 3 good players--we move KP to C next year and use the cap space to find a much cheaper replacement for Ro Lo--as in Borban from SA for 5-6mm.

sure.. but the assets you are getting back suck. So a late first rounder and some 2nd rounders are going to help us compete for a title? I guess you didnt think about it much either eh?

you propose a trade that immediately makes us worse, helps a rival and sends a very poor message to potential FAs and claim its so we can win a championship.

But Im sure after flipping Lopez 40ish games into a 4 year deal Boban will be DYING to sign with the Knicks for cheap. Did you consider that?

We won 17 games last year. You are talking about trading for last first round picks to compete with SA/CLe/GS. Not making much sense.

My personal opinion is that KP will be out starting C or SHOULD be. I dont feel looking at the NBA we need a Ro Lo for 13mm. If we can get a good secondary C for 5-6 mm thats good enough. What would I do with a 21 31 and 34----HMM guard guard center. and then I have max money for another pro guard---YEP 5 guards 3 draft picks to hit 1 or 2 right.

If our frontline players were KP Boban and lets say one of our picks is AJ Hammonds--were good at C. Now we move to a MOBILE 4 and one of their back ups can be Willy G. This makes us much better--more with what wins in the league.

If you're not happy with $13 mil per on Rolo, you're going to be clinically depressed when you see what Dragic brings for $18 mil per.

like suicidal.

And I dont want KP at center at all, he's best at PF. That is the true game changer. KP's ability to guard small stretch 4s. He already kills Kevin Love. He's given Milsap fits. He got eaten alive by Green... the point is he can guard small players very well. What won Tyson the DPOY for us was his ability to guard smaller guys. KP has that with his length and quickness. So on D he's hurting the other team's stretch 4, killing their spacing and still a rim protector. On offense you have to guard a 7'3 PF who can shoot 3s and dunk from the foul line. THAT my friend is a championship piece. In many ways KP/Rolo are like Towns and WCS last year. Rolo is the fundamental guy who mans the paint and deals with the many of the freight trains that play center in the NBA effectively. You need to match and beat that size. KP at PF has your longest player roaming around more, and not commited to anchoring the post defense.

Yes... sometimes you will go small and we have seen that and thats when Rolo comes out of the game. We have also seen KP really struggle at center where he is totally unsure of when to box out and hold his position (and give up a layup) or when to help, only to have his guy dunk on him because he is now out of position from helping. In that regard KP's rookie decision making is just as bad as Grant's. That will improve with time, but no.... his position and career should be like Tim Duncan's. PF through and through. When the Spurs went smaller or 3 guard lineups during the game yea... Duncan would play center, and certainly KP can do that in time, but ultimately if we are talking winning titles and building title caliber line ups putting KP at PF next to another rebounding rim protector like Rolo is the way to go. Maybe Willie eventually takes Lopez's job in a few years. When Lopez's contract is up KP will be 24 and Willy will be 25. You are WAAAAAAAY ahead of yourself.

KP cant guard mobile 4 or 3 hes way to tall and to slow. That wont change. He can guard 5 or a post 4. I watched enough of Dray Green and Durant going around him like a statue to know what he can or cant do. His length wont stop quick legs in space.