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NardDogNation
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2/1/2016  8:53 PM
“Obviously, my focus right now is on the season, the team and the things I need to do," Horford told Yahoo Sports. "That’s kind of where I am going to leave it.”

As a Spanish speaker, Horford could have more opportunities in another market.

“Atlanta has the potential for a guy like myself to maximize [the business] part of it,” Horford told Yahoo Sports. [b]“But obviously there are other cities, bigger cities that are more appealing probably [business- and marketing-wise]. The impact would be bigger if that is what you are looking for.”[/]

 

Horford was the third overall pick by the Hawks in 2007 out of Florida.

“The city itself is a great city,” Horford told Yahoo Sports. “People are great. This Hawks’ organization is moving in the right direction. With the new ownership, with the coach, I really feel good about the future of the Hawks.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hawks--al-horford-expanding-his-game-as-free-agency-looms-232658396.html

You know what city has better business opportunities? New York! You know what city has a vibrant latino population? New York! What could we get in a deal for Rolo, if we signed Al Horford during the offseason? Should we even look to sign him?
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2/1/2016  9:00 PM
Knicks already have KP and Melo.... unless Atlanta wanted Rolo right now for Horford there is no point in wasting money on Horford. Knicks have bigs in the pipeline
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2/1/2016  10:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2016  10:12 PM
Al Horford has been a 5 since he has come into the league, so I'm not sure how KP and Melo would conflict with his role.

And yes, the Knicks have rookies in the pipeline....but rookies don't further a win-now agenda. However, if you sign Horford, he can become an elder statesman that establishes benchmarks for what is expected of the position for a rookie in a limited role. Yes, he'll cost more than Rolo BUT he allows us to make our best trade chip expendable in other negotiations. Seems ideal to me.
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2/1/2016  10:16 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Al Horford has been a 5 since he has come into the league, so I'm not sure how KP and Melo would conflict with his role.

And yes, the Knicks have rookies in the pipeline....but rookies don't further a win-now agenda. However, if you sign Horford, he can become an elder statesman that establishes benchmarks for what is expected of the position for a rookie in a limited role. Yes, he'll cost more than Rolo BUT he allows us to make our best trade chip expendable in other negotiations. Seems ideal to me.

But if we sign Horford next year, you force a trade. You would have to trade Rolo. The Knicks would still have a poor back court. It's just not a priority to sign a big. Knicks need to invest in the back court.

Only way you go for Horford is via trade

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2/1/2016  11:36 PM
EnySpree wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Al Horford has been a 5 since he has come into the league, so I'm not sure how KP and Melo would conflict with his role.

And yes, the Knicks have rookies in the pipeline....but rookies don't further a win-now agenda. However, if you sign Horford, he can become an elder statesman that establishes benchmarks for what is expected of the position for a rookie in a limited role. Yes, he'll cost more than Rolo BUT he allows us to make our best trade chip expendable in other negotiations. Seems ideal to me.

But if we sign Horford next year, you force a trade. You would have to trade Rolo. The Knicks would still have a poor back court. It's just not a priority to sign a big. Knicks need to invest in the back court.

Only way you go for Horford is via trade

So if we sign Horford, do you presume that Lopez can't be moved for backcourt help?
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2/2/2016  3:36 AM
I read Celtics were interested in him (as well as Teague)- with all their picks and young players, I guess what the Celtics want, the Celtics will get.

Al Horford is one of those players that impacts more than his stats indicate, however I think really we need to target a guard rather than a PF/C
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2/2/2016  8:16 AM
Al is a good player, but he's at least 2 or 3 years older than Lopez and just doesnt move the needle enough when you factor in the cost. Pass.
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2/2/2016  8:46 AM
I really like Horford, but agree with the other posters that what the team needs is backcourt help. Horford doesn't "move the needle" enough to justify a lateral signing. We need to upgrade both backcourt roles asap.
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2/2/2016  8:58 AM
I always really liked Horford. One of the best and most underrated all-around bigs in the league. But like others said, it would be making a rich area richer, when we have other major needs.
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2/2/2016  9:08 AM
Hortford would fit nicely in the Tri given his skill set. Plays defense, moves the ball, can post or hit the jumper. The problem though is he will command 20mil. At the same time we have HGomez possibly coming over next season.

If D.Will opts out. I would look into OJ Mayo and Jeff Green. I think they would come cheap and fit nicely. We would probably still have around 10mil to spend without stretching Jose. Move Affalo to backup G/F. Mayo as a 2-1, Affalo as a 2-3 Green as a 3-4 would be quality depth. Add in HGomez, and still have money and piece like Grant to improve the PG position.

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2/2/2016  9:14 AM
He's an upgrade from Rolo but there's too much of a risk that he'll demand a huge contract. We need backcourt help or Durant.
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2/2/2016  9:14 AM
EnySpree wrote:Knicks already have KP and Melo.... unless Atlanta wanted Rolo right now for Horford there is no point in wasting money on Horford. Knicks have bigs in the pipeline

We have Hermangomez who's never played in the NBA so i wouldn't be counting on him to be anything for us until we can see him against NBA players. Horford can play both PF and C and can hit the 3 ball so we'd have to trade Rolo to have a spot for Horford which i can see ahppening cause Horford would fit what we're trying to do but he's gonna cost more per year than Rolo.
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2/2/2016  9:15 AM
I mentioned this idea a few months ago I think. Al is almost the perfect triangle center. He plays both ways, low post threat, mid range threat, 3pt threat, rim protector, PnR defender, and can get you a steal. Plus, he is a leader. My issue is that he does not rebound as well as he used to and he is about to be 30.. However, say AA opts out and you can trade Lopez for a pick without bringing back salary. It opens up the door to still go after Batum. You would set yourself up to have a versatile team with so many playmakers you want need a big time pg.

To get Teague you would have to unload Calderon with Lopez.
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2/2/2016  9:32 PM
fishmike wrote:Al is a good player, but he's at least 2 or 3 years older than Lopez and just doesnt move the needle enough [/b]when you factor in the cost.[b] Pass.

It'd only cost us $11-$16 million per, since Rolo's $14 million per is a sunk cost (and would be traded to ATL in a sign-and-trade during the offseaon). Al costing that $11-$16 million would be pretty reasonable under this new cap. He's far more adept in running the triangle and factors in more favorably in the small ball era at the 5 spot. I'd roll the dice if we actually are trying to build a contender.
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2/2/2016  9:38 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I mentioned this idea a few months ago I think. Al is almost the perfect triangle center. He plays both ways, low post threat, mid range threat, 3pt threat, rim protector, PnR defender, and can get you a steal. Plus, he is a leader. My issue is that he does not rebound as well as he used to and he is about to be 30.. However, say AA opts out and you can trade Lopez for a pick without bringing back salary. It opens up the door to still go after Batum. You would set yourself up to have a versatile team with so many playmakers you want need a big time pg.

To get Teague you would have to unload Calderon with Lopez.

Does he need to be as good a rebounder when you consider the talent we have that could do exactly that? And with Willie Hernangomez possibly on the way, I like the mentor-mentee dynamic the two can have. They are both Spanish speakers and Hernangomez will establish himself around the same time that Horford effectively begins his decline. The more I think about it, the more I like the concept of it (even though I prefer we rebuild). Kudos for the idea.
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2/2/2016  9:40 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:He's an upgrade from Rolo but there's too much of a risk that he'll demand a huge contract. We need backcourt help or Durant.

Well, you could always move Rolo for Horford to offset the impact of his salary or for backcourt help outright.
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2/3/2016  6:16 AM
If we could move Rolo for guard help I think we would do that. Who we getting for Rolo? If someone can come up with something I would love to hear it
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2/3/2016  9:20 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:He's an upgrade from Rolo but there's too much of a risk that he'll demand a huge contract. We need backcourt help or Durant.

Well, you could always move Rolo for Horford to offset the impact of his salary or for backcourt help outright.


I'm sure Atlanta would rather just re-sign Horford. This deal works only if Horford demands an S & T and Atlanta wants Rolo. In that case, I'd do it though.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:He's an upgrade from Rolo but there's too much of a risk that he'll demand a huge contract. We need backcourt help or Durant.

Well, you could always move Rolo for Horford to offset the impact of his salary or for backcourt help outright.


I'm sure Atlanta would rather just re-sign Horford. This deal works only if Horford demands an S & T and Atlanta wants Rolo. In that case, I'd do it though.

zero chance of this happening. I would trade rolo for KD too.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/3/2016  11:00 AM
Not that it will even happen but Horford to LAC along with Bazemore and a first round pick for Blake Griffin makes sense for both teams. Both have stale core groups and need a splash. Horford fits nicer next to D Jordan and Bazemore gives them that 3-and-D wing they need. A lineup of Jordan, Horford, Bazemore, Reddick, and Paul might not put them over the top but gives them more balance and a better shot. Griffin would have to play center in atlanta, but should be able to do that next to Millsap then slide over to PF next to Splitter. He gives them a younger core piece and allows them to retool without rebuilding, extending the years they can build with the group they have. Its one of those deals that makes too much sense to me, but given the value exchanged, no way it happens. I just thought of it for fun. As for Horford and the knicks, just doesn't make sense. I actually really like our core of KP, Melo, and Lopez up front. I see it working well for many more years. So changing that doesn't make sense, when so much improvement can be had in other areas.
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