OK he's a good player but his value is best as a 6-5 PG not a chucking 2G who can go 3-17 or 10-17 on any given day. how much do we want to pay this guy? 9-10mm a year + take payroll back? come on, lets move on here

Begging? It really doesn't seem that way. If Isiah were getting desperate the deal would probably be done by now. Replacing one of the Huge long term contracts with Pippens (one year left) in exchange for not including Moochie seems like a good alternative for the Knicks.

There's no begging. He knows he has a deal if he puts in Mutombo instead of Moochie. He's the one holding out and he's got Paxson waiting. And committing the money to Crawford is not that big of a deal...he's 23 years old and is improving. We need a long term solution at SG. The other contracts? ERob's only got two years left and his expiring deals will go with Penny's and Gazy's. Jerome Williams could actually help us. Isiah is doing a good job here.

I'm with Briggs on the value of Crawford. I know he's got great skills and has a lot to learn (like how to play defense). That being said if 10% of what we are reading is true I like what Isiah is doing. He's pawning off our scrubs for players that actually fill needs. If this is a long term vision Crawford and Sweetney are solid young players. Jerome Williams is a high energy player, a tough defender and can play both forward spots. When you look at the names involved its an awfully good deal for us. We upgrade talent and fill needs.. I fail to see the problem.

crawford has a ton of potential and we've all beat this discussion to death but at the end of the day, we'd be getting the two best players in the deal (crawford and jyd) and getting rid of dead weight (shandon). plus the contracts we're taking back aren't that crazy.

crawford is EXACTLY the type of player we should've been going after for the past 3 years. young, athletic, and could possibly become a star. and a backcourt of him and marbury for the next 5 years would be a pretty good combo, especially during playoff time.

if he wants crawford so bad than give the bulls what they want. it's quite obvious what chicago is willing to do and what they wont--giving up deke instead of moochie isnt going to mean all that much anyway because we have no chance of winning this year--if he thinks crawford is that good then what is the big deal about givng Chicago a little less crp?

the Post reported that Isiah wants Pippen to be included in this deal now in return for taking Moochie out of it & replacing him w/Trybanksi

my thinking is that maybe Isiah's maneuvering for another piece that he can use in the Dampier trade, since the Warriors now have no real use for Nazr's contract...a combo of Mutombo & Pippen's expiring contracts maybe enough to get them to agree to a sign & trade of Dampier, since both those veterans can still contribute & would be good mentors for their younger players to emulate.

i just go by what isiah said to the media

Isiah already stated to the media that he's not willing to include Deke in the trade for Crawford because then he'd be left w/only 2 bigmen in Nazr & KT that can play the C position...obviously, that can't be taken at face value since he was perfectly willing to factor Deke out of his future plans anyway...there HAS to be some other reason he's holding out here...& that reason has to be Dampier...if Isiah can get another ending contract of a player who may address a need from the Warriors standpoint, then he can possibly land both players.

Deke can play 7-10 minutes of quality center in the right stituations.

He has 6 fouls to throw at the Heat.

Moochie and 3 mil is the same as deke. If Isiah can't land anybody, we really do need Deke. No guarantee Vin gets here either.

KT is prime trading. Deke may just back up Nazr!

well if you believe deke is the answer for winning a championship, then i guess you keep him. i dont think you will do much better than the crp we are sending chicago to get crawford and if you want something bad enough-you will go another route for a big man. hey i would just offer othella for wagner this way you have a back up 2 without a headache. to much headache in this one--like i said last week time to move off this either give them less crp[which is pretty much our deal] or move off. i dont think chicago is going to relent--i think they may up their offer to jamal a few mm and just keep him. what are they getting from the knicks--isiah is saying take my sht for your sht and give me your second best player for the hll of it.

We are taking all there bad deals away and giving them guys they can actually use, Anderson will play for them, E-Rob will never get out of Skile's and Paxon's doghouse. Craw wants out of the Bulls, they have pissed him of majorly, he will also be a headache playing for a contract next year w/ anothe team. He will play sellfsih padding his stats and will not care about the bulls at all. Keeping him would be a bad move for the paxon/skiles regime, as they will keep essentially 2 biggest dissenters on the team thus sending a message that you really don't have to buy into what skiles is screamin in your ear. FW is a nice player too btw. OH is a servicable backup on a bad team. Trybanksi will just expire. Mooch we are paying for. The Bulls are just being retarded. They are not gong to get a better deal. In the end of the day we can just offer Craw an MLE and maybe he'll take and the Bulls can't match that cause they are gonna sine the Euro guy.