magicTs wrote:New York Giants. New York Knicks. How good would both be in the 2016-16 season without 4th quarters!!!

God would I love to see Durrant beside KP and Melo at MSG next October.

Damn you had to remind us of the Giants. Both teams do everything possible to lose winnable games. They are very good at it

TPercy wrote:I do commend Fish,however, for permitting a little bit less of the triangle. It definitely benefited a couple of our players and helped to keep us in the game..

nyknickzingis wrote:

TPercy wrote:I do commend Fish,however, for permitting a little bit less of the triangle. It definitely benefited a couple of our players and helped to keep us in the game..

The only thing they did different was that they ran the ball more which they should do regardless. Some teams who have run the Triangle in the past, have run the ball and played at a higher tempo. We don't do that because our starting 5 isn't that quick. But when you play Williams at 4, Grant and Galloway in the backcourt, Lance at 3, all of a sudden you're very fast.

Fair point. I didn't see that many triangle sets, espeicially in the first half.

Andrew wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Another "moral" victory

thanks to fisher

Some of you need to wake up and find a basketball IQ. Fisher just caoched a great game and brought us to OT against OKC without Melo. Great coaching job.

We could ands should have won this game. The last four possessions in regulation with AA isolating are the reasons why we lost. Who do you blame ??? Some of you will kill AA, but as a coach, when you called two TOs and drew the same play to feed the same dude who missed in the previous two possessions, you have to assume some of the blames

Agreed..surprisingly.

I do see growth in Fisher and I hope he uses this game as a teaching moment.4 possessions for the same guy was too freaking much.

You keep harping on the last 4 possesion in regulation...except they weren't 4 straight AA isos. It was KP lefty layup, dwill dunk, AA jumper after a bad ofennsive possesion where he got hte ball with 8 secs on the shot clock andthen the final shot of the game.

Andrew, are you talking about the forth quarter?

Knicks1969 wrote:Andrew, are you talking about the forth quarter?

Yes

gunsnewing wrote:

magicTs wrote:New York Giants. New York Knicks. How good would both be in the 2016-16 season without 4th quarters!!!

God would I love to see Durrant beside KP and Melo at MSG next October.

Damn you had to remind us of the Giants. Both teams do everything possible to lose winnable games. They are very good at it

No no...
you mean as GOOD as my GIANTs in 2016 (TBD)

WRONG Giants
The hustle and wit & grit of my Knickerbockers need to mimic my SFGiants MLB team the "uncrowned" 2016 Champs possibly ??

3x,MLB W/S champs!
5 times as MLB NewYork Giants, which I wasn't even born then
LOL

If Coach D.Fisher can't figure out that Gallant Galloway had to turn to offense
to bolster our stagnant offense and coach needed a another PG playmaker on floor with Langston
to create for others such as Kristas P and Williams, we'd have a coach who'd figure it out!

The Knicks would likely lost anyhow ..but Coach hadn't figured out Aaron Affalo shot his w_ _ ad
in the 2nd half of the game and couldn't score, then you go to another playmaker while allowing
Galloway to play in the game.

Robin Lopez not an offensive player could have been used also for his passing/decoy
for helping KP getting easier shots & taking pressure off Galloway PG. Galloway played great.

J.Grant showed up and played decent but wasn't in the mix of 4th qtr. , NOR the overtime

Fisher is easy target as coach but Knicks will learn from it
D.Fisher will NOT LEARN from it.

Andrew wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Andrew, are you talking about the forth quarter?

Yes

I think we watched two very different games tonight

Knicks1969 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Andrew, are you talking about the forth quarter?

Yes

I think we watched two very different games tonight

Last 4 possessions or regulation right?

1:28 Knicks Full timeout
1:13 109-111 Kristaps Porzingis makes driving layup
1:02 Russell Westbrook bad pass (Langston Galloway steals) 109-111
0:59 109-113 Derrick Williams makes driving layup (Langston Galloway assists)
0:59 Thunder 20 Sec. timeout
0:51 Kevin Durant misses layup 109-113
0:49 Serge Ibaka offensive rebound 109-113
0:48 Serge Ibaka makes 6-foot two point shot 111-113
0:42 Knicks 20 Sec. timeout
0:26 111-113 Arron Afflalo misses 11-foot two point shot
0:24 Serge Ibaka defensive rebound 111-113
0:16 Kevin Durant makes 13-foot jumper (Russell Westbrook assists) 113-113
0:16 Knicks 20 Sec. timeout
0:00 113-113 Arron Afflalo misses two point shot
0:00 113-113 Knicks offensive team rebound
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter

Kemet wrote:The only stats OKC got the better of us were ...
OKC out-rebounded us 59 - 43
plus on offensive-rebounds 16 - 9
The second chance shots from offensive-rebounds are what gave OKC the game.
Fisher not playing Lopez in the 4th qtr. (nor in OT) were the big factor of win or loss

Yes.....KP is a blind side help defender type shot blocker.....Lopez is our best rebounder and defender against old school centers like Kanter. Fishers decisions of subs and lack of offensive guidance with AA hurt us. AA tried to score from the post too much, even against a 6"9 player. AA is a great 6 man.....but hes should not be your second scorer.

nyknickzingis wrote:The positive I take in tonight is that the team's shown how good it is in terms of being a supporting cast for Melo.
I repeat, the major issue we have is that Melo makes the money worth 3 Afflao's or 3 good players for us. With his physical decline, while he has played at a near MVP level in a 15 game stretch, the rest of the season has seen him either injured, or coming back from an injury and not looking well (early this season). He also missed half of last season. At some point, Phil Jackson has to realize that Melo isn't going to be this team's #1 guy, or be the star that can carry them to the playoffs. You see what Durant and Westbrook did tonight. That's a star that can carry you to the playoffs ever year. There's a few of them in the league, and Melo has the game for it but I question if he has the body left to do it. He reminds me of Dwight Howard in that he's still a very good player, one of the best at his spots when healthy, but he isn't healthy enough anymore. The problem for us is that Melo is making the money of 3 of our players. If we say had 2 starting caliber guards on this team instead of Melo, we'd be more competitive than the 22-25 record we have. A team that has the supporting cast of Porzingis, Lopez, Willilams, Afflalo, Thomas, Galloway etc. should not be missing the playoffs if they've truly invested in an appropriate star. I hate saying this but everytime I see a night like tonight, I think man, we either should have gotten Melo to stay for 18 million a year tops or sign and traded him to the Bulls for some assets. I do fully acknolwdge and love his commitment and development as a player, I just question if we'll ever be a top team in the East with him being the #1 guy to rely on. And so long as Melo is there, I doubt the team can ever truly be someone else's like KP's (Not saying KP is ready to be the man now but even if he is in a year or so, I doubt it becomes his team to lead so long as Melo is on the roster).

Killer? Melo's going to make nearly 25, 26+ and 28 million over the next 3 season's after this one. Going to be awfully hard to build an elite team if he can't stay healthy and carry them like a guy who makes that sort of money should. Top it off, he has a NTC. If he is ever to be put on the block, they'd get pennies on the dollar as he'd be able to dictate where he goes.

Well said. It pains me to say it but what is going on with Melo was exactly my biggest fear after Phil shocked us and made him out for 5 more years. As I said he's been in the league 13 years playing 40 minutes a night sinc he was 19yrs old. Allan Houston played much few minutes at a less grinding position and we managed to cut his career short.

The absolute worst thing for this franchise & guys like KP is Melo sitting a the end of the bench in a suit and collecting his $125m as the NBA go inure to be the joke it is with guaranteed contracts. It's even worse now that everyone knows Gooden St is going to win and Cleveland is going to meet them in the finals only because the East is so disgraceful. The NBA is a tough follow to begin with. If we lose Melo like we lost H20, Mcdyess & Amare then it's going to be even tougher to watch