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knicks1248
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1/21/2016  9:21 PM
Labron is your starting center in the east, and KD in the west. In a yr or 2 they will officially eliminate the SG and just call them guards.

The league is becoming a complete joke. Drummond miss 23 FT's last night, and jordan had a game this season where he miss 18 out 32.

KP will eventually settle into a center position and completely dominate the position as the league continuess to get more perimeter orientated.


Out ot the 4 major league sport, the NBA and NFL continues to ruin the game. You cam barely breath on players without getting toss or suspended. The NBA is a 3 point contest every night. Theres not one single real rivalry in either sport.

So sad for this generation( born after 1999) to witness such trash

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1/21/2016  10:06 PM
Yeah I think its bull too but the rules have been made to make Wings and guards lives easier and in turn the faces of their organizations. So you got a glut of superstar wins and a handful of superstar bigs
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1/21/2016  10:29 PM
Yeah, its not like the old days when men were called Oakley and the scores were lower!!
before free agency you had real teams like the Celtics and Lakers and teams in Cleveland were jokes.

nobody DVR'd games, one used to huddle around the 32 inch screen and hope you can see all the replays!
fans sat off the court and players could fight each other! Then came Midget tossing when PJ Brown flipped Charlie Ward and the "Malice in the Palace" spilled into the stands!

someone needs to knock Steph Curry down and let him know what Nate Archibald and Phil learned: "The paint is not yours!!!"!

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1/21/2016  11:30 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Labron is your starting center in the east, and KD in the west. In a yr or 2 they will officially eliminate the SG and just call them guards.

The league is becoming a complete joke. Drummond miss 23 FT's last night, and jordan had a game this season where he miss 18 out 32.

KP will eventually settle into a center position and completely dominate the position as the league continuess to get more perimeter orientated.


Out ot the 4 major league sport, the NBA and NFL continues to ruin the game. You cam barely breath on players without getting toss or suspended. The NBA is a 3 point contest every night. Theres not one single real rivalry in either sport.

So sad for this generation( born after 1999) to witness such trash

Don't forget Karl Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. There are some truly gifted big men in the game - I believe it will be cyclical. Just as the Warriors run comes to an end in a few years, one of the teams with a super big man (hopefully our Knicks!) will be so good, it will force the league to readjust the other way.

It's always cyclical. Steph Curry is such an outlier that he's shifted things for everyone. One of the young bigs - KAT or KP6 or AD will be good enough to punish teams for playing small and they'll shift it back the other way.

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1/21/2016  11:33 PM
Nalod wrote:Yeah, its not like the old days when men were called Oakley and the scores were lower!!
before free agency you had real teams like the Celtics and Lakers and teams in Cleveland were jokes.

nobody DVR'd games, one used to huddle around the 32 inch screen and hope you can see all the replays!
fans sat off the court and players could fight each other! Then came Midget tossing when PJ Brown flipped Charlie Ward and the "Malice in the Palace" spilled into the stands!

someone needs to knock Steph Curry down and let him know what Nate Archibald and Phil learned: "The paint is not yours!!!"!

32 inch? Damn son you was ballin' like that? What you had a Trinitron?

Where my 13 inch Zenith people at?

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1/21/2016  11:37 PM
Who is taller, Melo or LeBron?
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1/22/2016  12:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2016  1:01 AM
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Labron is your starting center in the east, and KD in the west. In a yr or 2 they will officially eliminate the SG and just call them guards.

The league is becoming a complete joke. Drummond miss 23 FT's last night, and jordan had a game this season where he miss 18 out 32.

KP will eventually settle into a center position and completely dominate the position as the league continuess to get more perimeter orientated.


Out ot the 4 major league sport, the NBA and NFL continues to ruin the game. You cam barely breath on players without getting toss or suspended. The NBA is a 3 point contest every night. Theres not one single real rivalry in either sport.

So sad for this generation( born after 1999) to witness such trash

Don't forget Karl Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. There are some truly gifted big men in the game - I believe it will be cyclical. Just as the Warriors run comes to an end in a few years, one of the teams with a super big man (hopefully our Knicks!) will be so good, it will force the league to readjust the other way.

It's always cyclical. Steph Curry is such an outlier that he's shifted things for everyone. One of the young bigs - KAT or KP6 or AD will be good enough to punish teams for playing small and they'll shift it back the other way.


Nope, It's all about the BRAND/IMAGE/TREND, the NBA is going all out, they want a global market, and in order to attract a global market, you have to give them what the want. It's all about the Dollars. ESPN and TNT are all over the world, why else would they pay a billion dollars for TV rights.

So the NBA will emulate their style of play, which is a perimeter oriented game, where 7 footers shoot 3's like steph. The game is changing and it won't ever go back to post ups, and big and tough skillful big men, or SG who can post up. Davis and Towns are shooting more 3's and face ups, than truly mixing it up in the paint.


If college players are 1 and done, when they get into the league, they are going to develop the style of play that the team that drafted plays, and thats most likely a team looking for a stretch big. It seems like the last post up big man to come in this league to get significant playing time was EDDY CURRY in 2001 or 2.

I'll bet you in a few yrs, the entire preseason will be the NBA facing Euro teams.

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1/22/2016  1:33 AM
big man are mostly boring. Does anyone really want to see that drummond dude in the all star game?
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/22/2016  6:35 AM
This last draft was a big men extravaganza. Who knows how many of them will change the way the big man is thought of again.

Towns, Porzingis, Okafor, Turner, Portis, and Stein. The spurs also drafted a big man who they will stash and probably come back as a good player.

Some of those guys have some serious handle and will be able to entertain fans during all star games unlike the centers of old.

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1/22/2016  8:05 AM
the voting process is a popularity contest. being "worthy" has nothing to do with it.
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1/22/2016  8:36 AM
Health also plays a big role. Dwight has stagnated because of his back.

Phil's bulls had good big men, but not allstars. His lakers were a different story.

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1/22/2016  9:08 AM
Ratings that's what it is all about. A true all star game rewards position as opposed to votes. Then people wonder why fundamentals go out the door. There is no reward in the dirty work that centers do. Protect rim get shooters open and rebound.
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1/22/2016  9:13 AM
Don't worry about big men being not worthy of starting now, KP will change all that very soon.

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1/22/2016  10:00 AM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
Nalod wrote:Yeah, its not like the old days when men were called Oakley and the scores were lower!!
before free agency you had real teams like the Celtics and Lakers and teams in Cleveland were jokes.

nobody DVR'd games, one used to huddle around the 32 inch screen and hope you can see all the replays!
fans sat off the court and players could fight each other! Then came Midget tossing when PJ Brown flipped Charlie Ward and the "Malice in the Palace" spilled into the stands!

someone needs to knock Steph Curry down and let him know what Nate Archibald and Phil learned: "The paint is not yours!!!"!

32 inch? Damn son you was ballin' like that? What you had a Trinitron?

Where my 13 inch Zenith people at?


haha i had an RCA 32 inch before HDTV came out
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1/22/2016  10:29 AM
wargames wrote:Yeah I think its bull too but the rules have been made to make Wings and guards lives easier and in turn the faces of their organizations. So you got a glut of superstar wins and a handful of superstar bigs

+1 - I made a similar comment the other day in a thread about how quickness negates size. The issue isn't the fouls they call to benefit them, but rather they let these guys get away with murder on the other end IMO. For example, when the Warriors go to that small lineup, I've seen Barnes and Thomson put arm bars on guys in the post. They are too small to defend it. If you want to go small that is the price you pay. Makes no sense to me that you could allow that but turn around and call slight contact on the perimeter or an off-ball foul on a slight rub off a screen. Makes the game a bit laughable at times.

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1/22/2016  10:40 AM
KP and Towns will dominate the modern day center position for years to come and should be starting opposite of each other in the all-star game for the next 12-14 years very soon.
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1/22/2016  10:48 AM
Knixkik wrote:KP and Towns will dominate the modern day center position for years to come and should be starting opposite of each other in the all-star game for the next 12-14 years very soon.

Yep. Great big men will never go away. It's all cyclical. Of course, most of the great bigs now can shoot the three with ease.

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1/22/2016  3:57 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
wargames wrote:Yeah I think its bull too but the rules have been made to make Wings and guards lives easier and in turn the faces of their organizations. So you got a glut of superstar wins and a handful of superstar bigs

+1 - I made a similar comment the other day in a thread about how quickness negates size. The issue isn't the fouls they call to benefit them, but rather they let these guys get away with murder on the other end IMO. For example, when the Warriors go to that small lineup, I've seen Barnes and Thomson put arm bars on guys in the post. They are too small to defend it. If you want to go small that is the price you pay. Makes no sense to me that you could allow that but turn around and call slight contact on the perimeter or an off-ball foul on a slight rub off a screen. Makes the game a bit laughable at times.

Totally agree....

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