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Knicks1969
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1/21/2016  12:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2016  12:07 AM
Some of you are going to be happy with me. Check out the attached article. I think fisher has seen the light. He now knows that Carmelo is his best PG, and Williams is a special talent. Williams has gotten a lot more minutes lately and Carmelo has been running the show at least 40% of the time.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/derek-fisher-envisions-carmelo-anthony-as-point-forward-1.11346937

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/21/2016  12:27 AM
Here's the thing... This isn't so much Fish finally getting anything! This is the way they wanted MELO to play PERIOD! This is what they talked about from day one. MELO had to learn the system and trust his teammates! They haven't had to change anything but rather MELO had to take charge of the role! Phil had this in mind from day one. It's just finally taking hold. MELO is embracing the role.
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1/21/2016  12:34 AM
nixluva wrote:Here's the thing... This isn't so much Fish finally getting anything! This is the way they wanted MELO to play PERIOD! This is what they talked about from day one. MELO had to learn the system and trust his teammates! They haven't had to change anything but rather MELO had to take charge of the role! Phil had this in mind from day one. It's just finally taking hold. MELO is embracing the role.

You are correct, but it is nice to see that fisher make mention of that in an article. I am happy Williams is also envisioned in that role as well. Currently Carmelo appears to have a lot more talent as a passer than given credit in the past. His court vision is a lot better then I thought

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/21/2016  2:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2016  2:50 AM
And Derek Williams just got himself a raise. Hopefully he stays here for a reasonable sum. It is raining Dereks.

Fisher is coming along really well. He had most of you guys fooled with the 12 man rotation a little while ago.
Think he is going to put it all together by seasons end and then, then my friends, we are going to be making noise regular like.
We really have what is resembling a team. If we just had a great PG on this team till Jerian gets there.

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1/21/2016  4:45 AM
Why put KP on Haywood. He had 5 fouls and is foul prone. I know Lance was out but Afflalo, Grant, have more than ample speed to have given the foul.
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1/21/2016  7:11 AM
Paris907 wrote:Why put KP on Haywood. He had 5 fouls and is foul prone. I know Lance was out but Afflalo, Grant, have more than ample speed to have given the foul.

KP wasn't assigned to Haywood...it was a switch on a screen. I'm pretty sure most if not all NBA coaches do not intentionally foul with their team up 3...even Pop.

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1/21/2016  8:00 AM
Andrew wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Why put KP on Haywood. He had 5 fouls and is foul prone. I know Lance was out but Afflalo, Grant, have more than ample speed to have given the foul.

KP wasn't assigned to Haywood...it was a switch on a screen. I'm pretty sure most if not all NBA coaches do not intentionally foul with their team up 3...even Pop.

Yea... Melo was on Haywood. KP had to cover him on a high screen
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1/21/2016  8:18 AM
Andrew wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Why put KP on Haywood. He had 5 fouls and is foul prone. I know Lance was out but Afflalo, Grant, have more than ample speed to have given the foul.

KP wasn't assigned to Haywood...it was a switch on a screen. I'm pretty sure most if not all NBA coaches do not intentionally foul with their team up 3...even Pop.

Yeah, also if KP moves into foul Hayward when he's dribbling behind the 3pt line of course Hayward would try to put up a shot so he got fouled in the act. If they were going to foul, they should've fouled Gobert on the inbounds pass when he was 30ft away from the basket with his back to the basket.

They defended that pretty well though - KP has to learn not to bite on pump fakes at the three point line. That's two games in past week or so he fouled out closing out on a three point shooter.

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1/21/2016  8:41 AM
Thta would have been a hard loss but all's well that ends well. KP got a free lesson
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1/21/2016  8:59 AM
Now if we never ever ever see the disaster known as Sascha Vujacic on the floor, Fisher will REALLY have gotten it.

Only play Sascha Vujacic if all your guards have fouled out and you're up 30+.

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1/21/2016  9:07 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Now if we never ever ever see the disaster known as Sascha Vujacic on the floor, Fisher will REALLY have gotten it.

Only play Sascha Vujacic if all your guards have fouled out and you're up 30+.

Compare to how bad fisher was doing early on, I will give him a pass on Sasha:::)) I am happy to finally see Williams "our most athletic player" get more minutes. When this dude play 15 minutes or more, he puts up a lot of points and the Knicks often win.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/21/2016  9:08 AM
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ChuckBuck wrote:Now if we never ever ever see the disaster known as Sascha Vujacic on the floor, Fisher will REALLY have gotten it.

Only play Sascha Vujacic if all your guards have fouled out and you're up 30+.

Compare to how bad fisher was doing early on, I will give him a pass on Sasha:::)) I am happy to finally see Williams "our most athletic player" get more minutes. When this dude play 15 minutes or more, he puts up a lot of points and the Knicks often win.

Just posted this in the game thread, but it applies here:

One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

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1/21/2016  9:15 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now if we never ever ever see the disaster known as Sascha Vujacic on the floor, Fisher will REALLY have gotten it.

Only play Sascha Vujacic if all your guards have fouled out and you're up 30+.

Compare to how bad fisher was doing early on, I will give him a pass on Sasha:::)) I am happy to finally see Williams "our most athletic player" get more minutes. When this dude play 15 minutes or more, he puts up a lot of points and the Knicks often win.

Just posted this in the game thread, but it applies here:

One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.


As long as he doesn't play more then 5 minutes, I have no problem with him on the floor
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/21/2016  9:59 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now if we never ever ever see the disaster known as Sascha Vujacic on the floor, Fisher will REALLY have gotten it.

Only play Sascha Vujacic if all your guards have fouled out and you're up 30+.

Compare to how bad fisher was doing early on, I will give him a pass on Sasha:::)) I am happy to finally see Williams "our most athletic player" get more minutes. When this dude play 15 minutes or more, he puts up a lot of points and the Knicks often win.

Just posted this in the game thread, but it applies here:

One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.


Good points. On the gameday thread as soon as Sasha came in a lot of people were saying the normal things like "well there goes this game" or "now Utah is gonna kill us" or whatever the typical things are but he actually came in and set up some shots and we played well for those few minutes he played. maybe you're right and he was just showing Gallo and Grant what they should be doing. I still don't wanna see Sasha on the court much but he's doing what's asked of him.
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1/21/2016  10:02 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now if we never ever ever see the disaster known as Sascha Vujacic on the floor, Fisher will REALLY have gotten it.

Only play Sascha Vujacic if all your guards have fouled out and you're up 30+.

Compare to how bad fisher was doing early on, I will give him a pass on Sasha:::)) I am happy to finally see Williams "our most athletic player" get more minutes. When this dude play 15 minutes or more, he puts up a lot of points and the Knicks often win.

Just posted this in the game thread, but it applies here:

One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.


Good points. On the gameday thread as soon as Sasha came in a lot of people were saying the normal things like "well there goes this game" or "now Utah is gonna kill us" or whatever the typical things are but he actually came in and set up some shots and we played well for those few minutes he played. maybe you're right and he was just showing Gallo and Grant what they should be doing. I still don't wanna see Sasha on the court much but he's doing what's asked of him.

Yeah - and I think it's clear he's accepted his role and is kind of a leader in the locker room and on the bench for what is actually a very young team outside of Melo, Rolo, Afflalo, Jose. Everyone else on the team is 24 or younger.

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1/21/2016  10:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2016  10:09 AM
He experiments too deep with the lineup for my liking (Going 12 deep many nights) but other than that, yes he certainly has. He has improved from last year a great deal. Just take for example how he sat out Calderon last night in the 4th and trusted Galloway to play 1. Galloway wasn't even shooting well. He gave Grant a chance in the 1st half but since Grant was a dud, he didn't give him major time in the 2nd. All moves that show he's recognizing match ups and his team very well. He has only been coaching for 15 months if you consider he began coaching in October 2014. Like KP, Grant, Galloway are learning as young players, he's a very young guy in the coaching ranks learning on the fly as well. I wanted to see improvement from year 1 to year 2 and I got that. Now he has to keep improving and lets see what his playoff coaching is like if he gets there.
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1/21/2016  10:40 AM
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Paris907 wrote:Why put KP on Haywood. He had 5 fouls and is foul prone. I know Lance was out but Afflalo, Grant, have more than ample speed to have given the foul.

KP wasn't assigned to Haywood...it was a switch on a screen. I'm pretty sure most if not all NBA coaches do not intentionally foul with their team up 3...even Pop.

I don't think that's true but will snoop around. Fairly sure the celts do this religously. Also FWIW Clyde was saying to do exactly this (not sure how you feel about him; but I think he's pretty smart), that it was a straightaway shot and teams need to practice this, including looking up at the shot clock on the opposing end of the floor so you can choose your spot when to foul

And you're absolutely right it was a switch, and it was right to switch. I was super happy to see KP on hayward and imagined him just sticking his arms up to make the shot more difficult. when he jumped up to block the shot, i was like good grief

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1/21/2016  10:42 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Why put KP on Haywood. He had 5 fouls and is foul prone. I know Lance was out but Afflalo, Grant, have more than ample speed to have given the foul.

KP wasn't assigned to Haywood...it was a switch on a screen. I'm pretty sure most if not all NBA coaches do not intentionally foul with their team up 3...even Pop.

Yeah, also if KP moves into foul Hayward when he's dribbling behind the 3pt line of course Hayward would try to put up a shot so he got fouled in the act. If they were going to foul, they should've fouled Gobert on the inbounds pass when he was 30ft away from the basket with his back to the basket.

They defended that pretty well though - KP has to learn not to bite on pump fakes at the three point line. That's two games in past week or so he fouled out closing out on a three point shooter.

LT did it too, trying to remember if it was Nets. Both of these guys have high IQs too, so it's all the more frustrating.

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1/21/2016  10:45 AM
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crzymdups wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Why put KP on Haywood. He had 5 fouls and is foul prone. I know Lance was out but Afflalo, Grant, have more than ample speed to have given the foul.

KP wasn't assigned to Haywood...it was a switch on a screen. I'm pretty sure most if not all NBA coaches do not intentionally foul with their team up 3...even Pop.

Yeah, also if KP moves into foul Hayward when he's dribbling behind the 3pt line of course Hayward would try to put up a shot so he got fouled in the act. If they were going to foul, they should've fouled Gobert on the inbounds pass when he was 30ft away from the basket with his back to the basket.

They defended that pretty well though - KP has to learn not to bite on pump fakes at the three point line. That's two games in past week or so he fouled out closing out on a three point shooter.

LT did it too, trying to remember if it was Nets. Both of these guys have high IQs too, so it's all the more frustrating.

It is frustrating, but in general I don't feel like it's too bad a thing if our guys are getting fouls for trying TOO HARD on defense. You have to be smart, but they can learn the smarts. The effort being there is a very nice thing.

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1/21/2016  10:46 AM
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Knicks1969 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now if we never ever ever see the disaster known as Sascha Vujacic on the floor, Fisher will REALLY have gotten it.

Only play Sascha Vujacic if all your guards have fouled out and you're up 30+.

Compare to how bad fisher was doing early on, I will give him a pass on Sasha:::)) I am happy to finally see Williams "our most athletic player" get more minutes. When this dude play 15 minutes or more, he puts up a lot of points and the Knicks often win.

Just posted this in the game thread, but it applies here:

One thing about Sasha last night - he does know how to run the damn offense. He came in last night when things were dire and it was like he ran a little two minute clinic on how to set up good shots in the Triangle and then Galloway and Grant were like "ohhhh, okay. alright. fine." Watch the shots they were getting before Sasha came in and then the shots they got with Sasha running things briefly. It was like he was a coach on the floor to fix the offense last night.

i agree with this. Also I might be imagining it, but it seems Sasha brings the ball up in a hurry and when he does the team hustles up as well, creating mismatches on D (as the Jazz guys have to match up on somebody in these quasi-fast breaks). When Jose tries to hustle it up, I don't see the same reaction from the rest of the team

Having said that, I, probably like most on this board, have the same reaction when he comes in -- hold my breath

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