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BRIGGS
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1/13/2016  10:57 AM
I always like looking ahead--see what paint we need for the picture. I still have the same outlook.

#1. I want to resign Aaron Affalo--its a priority for many reasons Id give him the 4 years 40mm knowing that year 4 might not be the best but thats ok

#2 As long as Lance Thomas is reasonable 4-6mm resign him

#3 If Derrick Williams opts out same thing resign him in reasonable territory 6-7mm

#4 Ill take Langston back but it has to be cheap 3mm or less


Gone Seraphin Early Sasha Admundson


Free agents--Im not into signing mega deals with anyone--we have our players and the shots wont be there for a big time player.

I love these two guys

1. Dwight Powell--the guy has so much potential hes actually a really good 3 point shooter yet his inside game has expanded and hes a really solid defender rebounder. I see him more as a fut than Willy G hes faster taller more mobile with much mnore diversity and will have 3 years NBA experience hes an RFA so its going to take some spending albeit within reason

2 Tyler Johnson--hes been playing hurt this year but I love this guy. Hes a legit 6-4 and hes a aguy who will make the play that is there athletic plays with energy good teammate etc..


Draft

#1 #Ive really started following hard and I found a SG from temple that is simply not on any radar named Isiah Miles. Hes a 6-7 shooting guard who fits in what we do here. Very long for the position--hes the only 50-40-90 player in the nation who also pulls down more than 8 rebounds blocks 2 shots and averages close to 20.
#2 I love this guy even though he doesnt fit a Phil Jackson criteria and will probably not be in our ability to get him but I rally like Kahlil Felder from the PG position. This is Isiah Thomas 2.0 BUT I think he will fit more as a pure PG and I think he can be close to a 50% player with the space he will get here as back up PG who would eventually move up the ladder when Jose is done.

lastly for this season Id bring up Bachyinski--I know we need a guard but you cant teach 7-2 and if anything happens to Lopez we still have a long rim protetcing C which we do not have if hes out.

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Knixkik
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1/13/2016  12:17 PM
Tyler Johnson is a nice option. Phil has some decisions to make. Looks like Afflalo, Dwill, Gallo, and Lance are all due for pay increases this summer. We can retain them all, which will eat up much of the cap space, or retain some and compete for a Batum or Conley type player. I am torn and will probably change my mind about what approach to take many times. We need to solve the PG issue. Maybe we can add Tyler Johnson and get improvement from Grant and improve that position by committee approach. But adding a true impact player in the backcourt is needed.
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1/13/2016  12:56 PM
Knixkik wrote:Tyler Johnson is a nice option. Phil has some decisions to make. Looks like Afflalo, Dwill, Gallo, and Lance are all due for pay increases this summer. We can retain them all, which will eat up much of the cap space, or retain some and compete for a Batum or Conley type player. I am torn and will probably change my mind about what approach to take many times. We need to solve the PG issue. Maybe we can add Tyler Johnson and get improvement from Grant and improve that position by committee approach. But adding a true impact player in the backcourt is needed.

Would your plans change if Grant was to emerge as a legit PG over the second half of the season?
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1/13/2016  1:02 PM
Bring most everyone back and Add Mike Conley and we are a top 3 team in the East !
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1/13/2016  1:09 PM
I was just going to bring up Conley! Bring in a very good to great PG and we have a top team in the East and league. Melo KP and Conley is a very good start!
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1/13/2016  1:14 PM
helloharv wrote:Bring most everyone back and Add Mike Conley and we are a top 3 team in the East !


Pretty much this but it might not be that easy.

I would not bring back Sasha, Amundson, Early and Seraphin.

If AA and DWill exercise their player options than the Knicks will have about $33 Million to re-sign - AA, DWil, Thomas and Galloway as well as any Free Agents.....assuming an $89 Million Cap for next season. My guess is that they will likely only be able to re-sign 3 of these 4 current players if they want to pursue a guy like Conley. It might come down to Thomas vs. DWil.

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1/13/2016  1:15 PM
Afflalo has a 2 yr contract with a player option for 3rd year. No need to change that now.
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1/13/2016  1:18 PM
BigRedDog wrote:Afflalo has a 2 yr contract with a player option for 3rd year. No need to change that now.

No.

2nd.

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1/13/2016  1:31 PM
foosballnick wrote:
helloharv wrote:Bring most everyone back and Add Mike Conley and we are a top 3 team in the East !


Pretty much this but it might not be that easy.

I would not bring back Sasha, Amundson, Early and Seraphin.

If AA and DWill exercise their player options than the Knicks will have about $33 Million to re-sign - AA, DWil, Thomas and Galloway as well as any Free Agents.....assuming an $89 Million Cap for next season. My guess is that they will likely only be able to re-sign 3 of these 4 current players if they want to pursue a guy like Conley. It might come down to Thomas vs. DWil.

Couldn't we bring back all those guys you mentioned and go over the cap just a little?

That would be tough choosing between Lance and DWill , alsso IF we actually signed Conley , we could stretch or trade Jose to give us some extra cash. Even though I would like to see him return as back up PG

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1/13/2016  1:36 PM
quote="BigRedDog"]
Afflalo has a 2 yr contract with a player option for 3rd year. No need to change that now.
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That's not correct. He has a 2-year deal with a player option after this season, which he will likely exercise.

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1/13/2016  1:39 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Tyler Johnson is a nice option. Phil has some decisions to make. Looks like Afflalo, Dwill, Gallo, and Lance are all due for pay increases this summer. We can retain them all, which will eat up much of the cap space, or retain some and compete for a Batum or Conley type player. I am torn and will probably change my mind about what approach to take many times. We need to solve the PG issue. Maybe we can add Tyler Johnson and get improvement from Grant and improve that position by committee approach. But adding a true impact player in the backcourt is needed.

Would your plans change if Grant was to emerge as a legit PG over the second half of the season?

Possibly, but i would still make a run at Conley. But if we can't get him, i'll stay with Grant and offer Tyler Johnson a contract. That could be a nice future back court if both develop.

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1/13/2016  1:45 PM
Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.
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1/13/2016  1:56 PM
fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.
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1/13/2016  2:06 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.

You guys need to stop thinking by the old salary cap standards. Conley has consistently been a top-10 PG in the league the last few years, and is only 27 years old. He is commanding max money.

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1/13/2016  2:20 PM
Knixkik wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.

You guys need to stop thinking by the old salary cap standards. Conley has consistently been a top-10 PG in the league the last few years, and is only 27 years old. He is commanding max money.

Yep. Goran Drgic got 5yr $92M. That's the going rate for Conley - that's the low end for Conley - Conley is way better than Dragic and defends.

I think Conley would be a perfect fit with this team, especially next to Afflalo in the backcourt.

I don't know how much I'm willing to pay - but if you want to max out the Melo years a lineup like this would be a great way to do it:


Conley
Afflalo
Melo
KP
Rolo

bench: Grant, Galloway, Lance, DWill, KOQ

Conley to me is the missing piece. That team, with KP and Grant in year 2 - I think that team can win 50-55 games and compete for the ECF. Heck, KP already owns Love every time they play and Bron is aging. With Conley to lock down Kyrie Irving, that team might be able to beat the Cavs.

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1/13/2016  3:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.

You guys need to stop thinking by the old salary cap standards. Conley has consistently been a top-10 PG in the league the last few years, and is only 27 years old. He is commanding max money.

Yep. Goran Drgic got 5yr $92M. That's the going rate for Conley - that's the low end for Conley - Conley is way better than Dragic and defends.

I think Conley would be a perfect fit with this team, especially next to Afflalo in the backcourt.

I don't know how much I'm willing to pay - but if you want to max out the Melo years a lineup like this would be a great way to do it:


Conley
Afflalo
Melo
KP
Rolo

bench: Grant, Galloway, Lance, DWill, KOQ

Conley to me is the missing piece. That team, with KP and Grant in year 2 - I think that team can win 50-55 games and compete for the ECF. Heck, KP already owns Love every time they play and Bron is aging. With Conley to lock down Kyrie Irving, that team might be able to beat the Cavs.

thats assuming DWill/AA/Lance opt in (or Lance resigns cheap).

Many things can change, but how do we pay Conley that money? Seems like signing him would be at the expense of DWill/AA and that doesnt strike me as huge improvement. I like Money Mike a lot.

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1/13/2016  3:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.

You guys need to stop thinking by the old salary cap standards. Conley has consistently been a top-10 PG in the league the last few years, and is only 27 years old. He is commanding max money.

Yep. Goran Drgic got 5yr $92M. That's the going rate for Conley - that's the low end for Conley - Conley is way better than Dragic and defends.

I think Conley would be a perfect fit with this team, especially next to Afflalo in the backcourt.

I don't know how much I'm willing to pay - but if you want to max out the Melo years a lineup like this would be a great way to do it:


Conley
Afflalo
Melo
KP
Rolo

bench: Grant, Galloway, Lance, DWill, KOQ

Conley to me is the missing piece. That team, with KP and Grant in year 2 - I think that team can win 50-55 games and compete for the ECF. Heck, KP already owns Love every time they play and Bron is aging. With Conley to lock down Kyrie Irving, that team might be able to beat the Cavs.

I agree, adding Conley would be great. The only question is, can we resign the rest of the guys?

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1/13/2016  3:20 PM
I like what Afflalo has done at times on offense for the knicks this season but his game does not look like it will transfer as he gets older unless he comes off the bench. I also think the Knicks need to upgrade their passers. That's why Batum is at the top of my list. Conley would be nice but he is too old. I don't want the knicks to dive into the win now pool with players who have short windows. I like players 28 or younger.

Re: Tyler Johnson

He is a RFA and the highest any other team can pay him is MLE type money. The chances he leaves Miami are very slim unless a S&T happen. One more option is trying to get him by using a poison pill but I'm not sure that will have the same effect as it did since the cap is jumping again.

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1/13/2016  3:25 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I like what Afflalo has done at times on offense for the knicks this season but his game does not look like it will transfer as he gets older unless he comes off the bench. I also think the Knicks need to upgrade their passers. That's why Batum is at the top of my list. Conley would be nice but he is too old. I don't want the knicks to dive into the win now pool with players who have short windows. I like players 28 or younger.

Re: Tyler Johnson

He is a RFA and the highest any other team can pay him is MLE type money. The chances he leaves Miami are very slim unless a S&T happen. One more option is trying to get him by using a poison pill but I'm not sure that will have the same effect as it did since the cap is jumping again.

this is more me. Bring in Batum who would be more reasonably priced. Move AA to the bench. Keep Jose for his last year. Hopefully play Grant more minutes and he eventually takes over the PG post.

Most all the Mike Conley scenarios in my head seem far fetched. I like him a lot, but hard to envision him leaving Memphis unless they decide to blow it up, and maybe they do.

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1/13/2016  3:34 PM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.

You guys need to stop thinking by the old salary cap standards. Conley has consistently been a top-10 PG in the league the last few years, and is only 27 years old. He is commanding max money.

Yep. Goran Drgic got 5yr $92M. That's the going rate for Conley - that's the low end for Conley - Conley is way better than Dragic and defends.

I think Conley would be a perfect fit with this team, especially next to Afflalo in the backcourt.

I don't know how much I'm willing to pay - but if you want to max out the Melo years a lineup like this would be a great way to do it:


Conley
Afflalo
Melo
KP
Rolo

bench: Grant, Galloway, Lance, DWill, KOQ

Conley to me is the missing piece. That team, with KP and Grant in year 2 - I think that team can win 50-55 games and compete for the ECF. Heck, KP already owns Love every time they play and Bron is aging. With Conley to lock down Kyrie Irving, that team might be able to beat the Cavs.

thats assuming DWill/AA/Lance opt in (or Lance resigns cheap).

Many things can change, but how do we pay Conley that money? Seems like signing him would be at the expense of DWill/AA and that doesnt strike me as huge improvement. I like Money Mike a lot.


Phil isn't gonna give $20 mil per to Conley especially if we still have Calderon and if Grant improves as the season goes.
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