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Calderon: On The Other Hand . . . (?)
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Malcolm
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1/9/2016  12:45 PM
Well . . . what can we maybe say on behalf of Calderon (?)

(1) He's the same age (34) as Derek Fisher was when Fisher played Triangle PG on the 2008-09 Lakers championship team.

(2) Fisher in 2008-09: 9.9 pts, 42%, 3.2 assists, 12.1 PER.

(3) Calderon this season: 7.5 pts, 48%, 3.8 assists, 13.2 PER

Maybe . . . we better not expect Jackson/Fisher to think that Calderon is that big of a problem (?)

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1/9/2016  2:37 PM
Malcolm wrote:Well . . . what can we maybe say on behalf of Calderon (?)

(1) He's the same age (34) as Derek Fisher was when Fisher played Triangle PG on the 2008-09 Lakers championship team.

(2) Fisher in 2008-09: 9.9 pts, 42%, 3.2 assists, 12.1 PER.

(3) Calderon this season: 7.5 pts, 48%, 3.8 assists, 13.2 PER

Maybe . . . we better not expect Jackson/Fisher to think that Calderon is that big of a problem (?)

He basically was lost last season. THis year he spend about he first 20 games getting his legs back and shaking off the rust.
Im sure after every game we as fans can point to something and complain. The fix is not some mystical coach change or "hey, lets give Jimmer a chance!", its far more that that. Jose is a vet leader on and off the court and the team is making strides in finding its identity. Beating ATL on the second try ON THE ROAD and holding a lead was huge for this team.
Its not consistent because its new.

I don't know why fans calling for "Consistency" want to make constant changes in reaction to what is shown on TV and presented by the announcers? Its not conducive to it.

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1/9/2016  2:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/9/2016  2:51 PM
Nalod wrote:I don't know why fans calling for "Consistency" want to make constant changes in reaction to what is shown on TV and presented by the announcers? Its not conducive to it.
I agree that it was time to confirm a consistent rotation and Fisher has done that well.

Calderon's numbers on offense are now pretty good . . . and there doesn't seem to be any improvement on them even remotely available.

But Grant is the single biggest problem on the team now.

He is by far the most below average player in the 9 man rotation (per of 8.6 ) . . .

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1/9/2016  4:43 PM
Malcolm wrote:But Grant is the single biggest problem on the team now.

He is by far the most below average player in the 9 man rotation (per of 8.6 ) . . .

That's what having a mid-round is... growing pains. Weak link. Etc.

Not going to skip the process in the D-League. Knicks aren't talented enough to sit him at the end of the bench for 2 years.

17 wins teams who need rookies to play have to live with it.

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1/9/2016  4:49 PM
Malcolm wrote:
Nalod wrote:I don't know why fans calling for "Consistency" want to make constant changes in reaction to what is shown on TV and presented by the announcers? Its not conducive to it.
I agree that it was time to confirm a consistent rotation and Fisher has done that well.

Calderon's numbers on offense are now pretty good . . . and there doesn't seem to be any improvement on them even remotely available.

But Grant is the single biggest problem on the team now.

He is by far the most below average player in the 9 man rotation (per of 8.6 ) . . .

A system that grows and develolps its players will in a vacuum do so with grant. To think the waiver wire can cure that faster than the process by fans is something that is just want it is.
Teams do make that mistake and its why some players don't develop or find success on another team. Naturally one has to look for some player to take advantage of that but also not give our players that proper time to make it work.

Grant to me looks like he needs to adapt more to the size and speed of the NBA and the Dleague does not do that. If the system believes in the kid and he is working hard then fans need to respect that.
At some point the game will slow down for him and he'll see it/feel it.

No guarantee it will happen, but half the season gone buy and he progressing. NBA is not easy!

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1/9/2016  5:57 PM
Malcolm wrote:Well . . . what can we maybe say on behalf of Calderon (?)

(1) He's the same age (34) as Derek Fisher was when Fisher played Triangle PG on the 2008-09 Lakers championship team.

(2) Fisher in 2008-09: 9.9 pts, 42%, 3.2 assists, 12.1 PER.

(3) Calderon this season: 7.5 pts, 48%, 3.8 assists, 13.2 PER

Maybe . . . we better not expect Jackson/Fisher to think that Calderon is that big of a problem (?)

Fisher had a hall of fame SG playing alongside those numbers. So although Calderon is playing ok now, Afflalo can't be what Kobe was.

The real issue with Calderon is how bad he is on defense. It seems like every PG is blowing right past him consistently.

I don't care what people think. People are stupid. - Charles Barkley
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1/9/2016  6:10 PM
Malcolm wrote:Well . . . what can we maybe say on behalf of Calderon (?)

(1) He's the same age (34) as Derek Fisher was when Fisher played Triangle PG on the 2008-09 Lakers championship team.

(2) Fisher in 2008-09: 9.9 pts, 42%, 3.2 assists, 12.1 PER.

(3) Calderon this season: 7.5 pts, 48%, 3.8 assists, 13.2 PER

Maybe . . . we better not expect Jackson/Fisher to think that Calderon is that big of a problem (?)

it depends a lot on context. the laker roster was better overall then than the knicks roster is now, so fisher was able to fill a niche without hurting the team. he was also a pretty good clutch shooter, which there are very few stats for, for some reason.

lets put it this way: calderon will be long gone before the knicks are a top 6 team in the nba.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/9/2016  6:49 PM
dk7th wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Well . . . what can we maybe say on behalf of Calderon (?)

(1) He's the same age (34) as Derek Fisher was when Fisher played Triangle PG on the 2008-09 Lakers championship team.

(2) Fisher in 2008-09: 9.9 pts, 42%, 3.2 assists, 12.1 PER.

(3) Calderon this season: 7.5 pts, 48%, 3.8 assists, 13.2 PER

Maybe . . . we better not expect Jackson/Fisher to think that Calderon is that big of a problem (?)

it depends a lot on context. the laker roster was better overall then than the knicks roster is now, so fisher was able to fill a niche without hurting the team. he was also a pretty good clutch shooter, which there are very few stats for, for some reason.

lets put it this way: calderon will be long gone before the knicks are a top 6 team in the nba.


I actually think perhaps this team could elevate itself with just a little bit more help. It doesn't have to wait years to have a better season this year. We currently don't have another option to go to off the bench at guard and I see no reason we have to leave things that way when we have an open spot and also some dead weight on the roster outside of the top 10 players. That's ample room to bring in some different talent that might augment the areas of NEED!

So IMO adding some new help off the bench at the very least isn't a bad idea. Suppose like Shved or Galloway last year we get a boost from a new addition to the team? Jose can still be here and contributing PLUS whatever we might get from some new additions. There's a way to work in new players gradually without messing up what you have going already. There will be games against weak opponents or blowouts, either way, where you can work guys in.

Calderon: On The Other Hand . . . (?)

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