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nixluva
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1/8/2016  2:23 PM
I decided to do a thread in order to show more of the overall system that the Knicks run with more clarity. It's so that maybe we can recognize more of the different things the Knicks run in this system that aren't so obvious. Tex has prescribed 12 specific spots that players can fill and they allow for the proper spacing and depending on where the ball goes certain actions can flow from that spacing. The faster they get into things the better.

Here we have a typical alignment where they can establish a Side Triangle. KP is pointing to the Jerian to pass to Gallo, but Jerian calls KP out for a screen and they run a PnP with KP taking a wide open 3.

Here is another possession where they ran the same thing and it again led to a wide open 3 for KP. Notice Melo is not behind the 3pt line but fills a low post spot. This is another option in the offense.

There are also Transition rules in the Triple Post Offense that call for 2 players to fill the corners and the PF or C can fill the Middle Post at the Free Throw line area. The Knicks use this a lot and you'll notice in a lot of these pictures that they have the corners filled. They can either flow right into the Side Triangle or as in this case KP comes over to screen for Jerian. Still Triangle but you can run PnR.

Even with the Defense back these transition rules give the Knicks some options to attack the basket if the PG is aggressive or if the defender leaves his man a corner 3. If nothing is there the PG can pull it out and flow right into the Triangle.

Drag Screens to relieve pressure on the PG and Jerian used this to drive all the way to the basket. He's always had this option but has to make the decision to be aggressive.

This is typical Side Triangle but with Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post for a possible 2 man game, which should be a pretty potent thing if they start to really use it. Jerian passed it up this time and instead set up Gallo, who ran a V Cut for a 3.



There are other less used aspects of the offense that can be highlighted and in time they will probably keep adding more to what they do to make things harder for defenses to sit on what they look to do.
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1/8/2016  2:41 PM
sorry for my lack of imagination but do you have any pics or screen shots?
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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1/8/2016  2:43 PM
the wrinkles that fisher has added to the triangle to modernize the offense has been more PNRolls and swinging the ball from side to side first (SWING offense - Bo Ryan style)
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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1/8/2016  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/8/2016  2:53 PM
Why is the drag screen so common/effective in Triangle transition (?)

Is it because the "dragging" big is usually an athletic big (?)
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1/8/2016  2:59 PM
Malcolm wrote:Why is the drag screen so common/effective in Triangle transition (?)

Is it because the "dragging" big is usually an athletic big (?)

It depends on when it's used. In Transition it can be really effective to create early offense. The wings need to fill the corners and create spacing so that the PG can attack aggressively off the screen and force the defense to react which should lead to someone being open or the PG being able to score at the basket if they are too late in helping.

In the half court with the defense set it can force the defense to move and expose a weakness. The PG still has to read the situation and make a good decision. Jose is less likely to attack the rim but rather take a mid range jumper or pass. Jerian had issues with this in the half court with a set defense since teams just backed off and let him have the mid range shot. In transition this is a better time for Jerian to be aggressive since the D isn't set yet.
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1/8/2016  3:14 PM
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Why is the drag screen so common/effective in Triangle transition (?)

Is it because the "dragging" big is usually an athletic big (?)

It depends on when it's used. In Transition it can be really effective to create early offense. The wings need to fill the corners and create spacing so that the PG can attack aggressively off the screen and force the defense to react which should lead to someone being open or the PG being able to score at the basket if they are too late in helping.

In the half court with the defense set it can force the defense to move and expose a weakness. The PG still has to read the situation and make a good decision. Jose is less likely to attack the rim but rather take a mid range jumper or pass. Jerian had issues with this in the half court with a set defense since teams just backed off and let him have the mid range shot. In transition this is a better time for Jerian to be aggressive since the D isn't set yet.

But isn't it particularly effective if the trailing PF (Gasol or KP . . .) is a shooting PF who is then a threat to shoot after rolling out of the pick (?)
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1/8/2016  3:33 PM
Malcolm wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Why is the drag screen so common/effective in Triangle transition (?)

Is it because the "dragging" big is usually an athletic big (?)

It depends on when it's used. In Transition it can be really effective to create early offense. The wings need to fill the corners and create spacing so that the PG can attack aggressively off the screen and force the defense to react which should lead to someone being open or the PG being able to score at the basket if they are too late in helping.

In the half court with the defense set it can force the defense to move and expose a weakness. The PG still has to read the situation and make a good decision. Jose is less likely to attack the rim but rather take a mid range jumper or pass. Jerian had issues with this in the half court with a set defense since teams just backed off and let him have the mid range shot. In transition this is a better time for Jerian to be aggressive since the D isn't set yet.

But isn't it particularly effective if the trailing PF (Gasol or KP . . .) is a shooting PF who is then a threat to shoot after rolling out of the pick (?)

It depends on when they set the Drag Screen. They have one that's set way before they get to the 3pt line, which is purely to free up the PG to penetrate.

Then you have one that they do closer to the 3pt line which is obviously going to set up the Big to be able to shoot a 3 if he can. KP can shoot the 3 so they use it that way too.

Jose uses the same screens with RoLo but they obviously aren't looking for RoLo to shoot it and Jose isn't quick enough to get all the way to the basket so in those cases it's just to mess with the defense and get them out of their set D.
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1/8/2016  3:38 PM
Here is another example of how the Knicks run the Triple Post Offense with a slightly different look. They don't always get into the set the same exact way but the rules are still the same. The same automatic screens and cuts but out of a different look. Everything isn't about a spread look and this is an example of how you can create good scoring opps with motion. The Knicks have several good options on this possession.
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1/8/2016  3:51 PM
I love when people complain the Triangle has no spacing:

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1/8/2016  3:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/8/2016  4:09 PM
I think people underestimate how hard the timing of this can be (how long it takes to learn it).

Everyone has to be in a particular place at a particular time . . . and then, when you get there, you can't be thinking "Did this work (?)"

Instead, everyone needs to be continuing on to the NEXT place to be . . . all at the same time (!)

And so on for 24 seconds . . .

Not simple.
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1/8/2016  4:01 PM
crzymdups wrote:I love when people complain the Triangle has no spacing:

This is why I've been trying to help make things a bit more clear. The thing about the Triangle is that it's flexible. You can play post offense out of it and also play 4 out from the offense. It's really very simple as this picture demonstrates. If KP stays in the post you have the Triangle with KP, Gallo and LT and a 2 man with Jerian and DWill. Instead they flow into a PnR with KP and Jerian and they have shooters all around.
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