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Don't know what's wrong with that link so maybe this one will work.

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newyorker4ever wrote:Don't know what's wrong with that link so maybe this one will work.

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Nice article. I remember pointing out earlier that KP and Jerian had not played together this season for any meaningful minutes. Finally Fish has started to put them on the floor together and to also tell Jerian to call for more PnR. I noticed in the last game he called for DWill to come out but he for some reason was hesitant to come out and set the screen. It's obviously still a work in progress. The Knicks actually started the season with more Drag Screens at the top when Jerian was in the game but they seemed to go away from it. Jerian also ran Side Triangle multiple times so he has been learning to mix it up, which is the right move.
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The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/8/2016  3:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/8/2016  3:54 PM
nixluva wrote:Nice article. I remember pointing out earlier that KP and Jerian had not played together this season for any meaningful minutes. Finally Fish has started to put them on the floor together and to also tell Jerian to call for more PnR. I noticed in the last game he called for DWill to come out but he for some reason was hesitant to come out and set the screen. It's obviously still a work in progress. The Knicks actually started the season with more Drag Screens at the top when Jerian was in the game but they seemed to go away from it. Jerian also ran Side Triangle multiple times so he has been learning to mix it up, which is the right move.

Yeah you can see that Fisher is trying to give Grant some floor time but it's gotta be hard cause he just isn't showing much. He'll do good in a game and then like the next 2 or 3 times he gets on the floor he stinks it up. As has been said many times he's just gonna need time until he's ready. The triangle isn't easy for players to pick up. You have plenty of vets that have had trouble picking it up so of course it will be tough for a rookie to pick up especially when that rookie plays point guard which is probably the hardest position to pick up in the triangle.


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1/8/2016  4:01 PM
Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.

Yeah I was screaming for Fish to use KP and Jerian together, which they at one point had only play a total of 17 minutes together all season! It's a natural combo that should work GREAT. They also haven't fully explored Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post. I can see that being very effective too.

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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.

Yeah I was screaming for Fish to use KP and Jerian together, which they at one point had only play a total of 17 minutes together all season! It's a natural combo that should work GREAT. They also haven't fully explored Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post. I can see that being very effective too.

“If you come from being a point guard and a leader on a college team, then go to a pro team, you may be the lowest guy on the totem pole in terms of whose locker room it is, whose ego is the biggest, who you have to satisfy when you’re out there, who gets the most touches,” he said. It’s not your ball to play with to do whatever you want to with it,” Fisher said.

The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

“The offense we run, some teams are starting to read what we’re doing,” Grant said. “So to change things up a bit to make me more comfortable, I think it helps us out.”

It helped that Grant’s screener was Porzingis, another player who thrives in screen-roll scenarios thanks to the inside-out pressure he puts on defenses. Twice in Sunday’s win, Grant drew two defenders trying to cut off his drive and kicked the ball to Porzingis, who had popped out behind the arc, for a pair of wide-open 3-pointers. Then on Monday, Grant collapsed one side of the floor briefly with a drive, freeing up Porzingis for a shot he banked off the glass.

This was one of the main reasons i stay on fishers case, Just constantly going away from sht that was working and progressing his player

Grant is who he is, can't make him into something he's not this early in his professional career, grant played very well with KP in SL.

The fact that fisher and his staff took 30+ games to figure this out is mind boggling, in addition to that, benching KP, Afflalo, and melo a the same time. WTH were they thinking???

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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.

Yeah I was screaming for Fish to use KP and Jerian together, which they at one point had only play a total of 17 minutes together all season! It's a natural combo that should work GREAT. They also haven't fully explored Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post. I can see that being very effective too.

“If you come from being a point guard and a leader on a college team, then go to a pro team, you may be the lowest guy on the totem pole in terms of whose locker room it is, whose ego is the biggest, who you have to satisfy when you’re out there, who gets the most touches,” he said. It’s not your ball to play with to do whatever you want to with it,” Fisher said.

The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

“The offense we run, some teams are starting to read what we’re doing,” Grant said. “So to change things up a bit to make me more comfortable, I think it helps us out.”

It helped that Grant’s screener was Porzingis, another player who thrives in screen-roll scenarios thanks to the inside-out pressure he puts on defenses. Twice in Sunday’s win, Grant drew two defenders trying to cut off his drive and kicked the ball to Porzingis, who had popped out behind the arc, for a pair of wide-open 3-pointers. Then on Monday, Grant collapsed one side of the floor briefly with a drive, freeing up Porzingis for a shot he banked off the glass.

This was one of the main reasons i stay on fishers case, Just constantly going away from sht that was working and progressing his player

Grant is who he is, can't make him into something he's not this early in his professional career, grant played very well with KP in SL.

The fact that fisher and his staff took 30+ games to figure this out is mind boggling, in addition to that, benching KP, Afflalo, and melo a the same time. WTH were they thinking???


Everyone needs rest especially KP and Melo. KP cause he's a 20 year old rookie who isn't used to this much playing time and Melo cause of his knee and age. You have to remember that Fisher is learning and last year to me doesn't count for much cause he had a horrible team that you can't learn with so for me this is his first full year learning the head coaching job.
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newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.

Yeah I was screaming for Fish to use KP and Jerian together, which they at one point had only play a total of 17 minutes together all season! It's a natural combo that should work GREAT. They also haven't fully explored Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post. I can see that being very effective too.

“If you come from being a point guard and a leader on a college team, then go to a pro team, you may be the lowest guy on the totem pole in terms of whose locker room it is, whose ego is the biggest, who you have to satisfy when you’re out there, who gets the most touches,” he said. It’s not your ball to play with to do whatever you want to with it,” Fisher said.

The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

“The offense we run, some teams are starting to read what we’re doing,” Grant said. “So to change things up a bit to make me more comfortable, I think it helps us out.”

It helped that Grant’s screener was Porzingis, another player who thrives in screen-roll scenarios thanks to the inside-out pressure he puts on defenses. Twice in Sunday’s win, Grant drew two defenders trying to cut off his drive and kicked the ball to Porzingis, who had popped out behind the arc, for a pair of wide-open 3-pointers. Then on Monday, Grant collapsed one side of the floor briefly with a drive, freeing up Porzingis for a shot he banked off the glass.

This was one of the main reasons i stay on fishers case, Just constantly going away from sht that was working and progressing his player

Grant is who he is, can't make him into something he's not this early in his professional career, grant played very well with KP in SL.

The fact that fisher and his staff took 30+ games to figure this out is mind boggling, in addition to that, benching KP, Afflalo, and melo a the same time. WTH were they thinking???


Everyone needs rest especially KP and Melo. KP cause he's a 20 year old rookie who isn't used to this much playing time and Melo cause of his knee and age. You have to remember that Fisher is learning and last year to me doesn't count for much cause he had a horrible team that you can't learn with so for me this is his first full year learning the head coaching job.


BS, last year he gotta pass, and this year you want to give him another, then next yr it will be "it's only his 2nd yr". The dude gets paid like an elite coach. You guys kill melo about his contract doesn't add up to his production, and keep having sympathy for fisher and his staff.

It's time to take the kid gloves off this coaching staff, I'm happy they have finally gotten together after a 150 games. Let these players play ball, and stop trying to turn them into something they are not, especially over night.

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newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.

Yeah I was screaming for Fish to use KP and Jerian together, which they at one point had only play a total of 17 minutes together all season! It's a natural combo that should work GREAT. They also haven't fully explored Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post. I can see that being very effective too.

“If you come from being a point guard and a leader on a college team, then go to a pro team, you may be the lowest guy on the totem pole in terms of whose locker room it is, whose ego is the biggest, who you have to satisfy when you’re out there, who gets the most touches,” he said. It’s not your ball to play with to do whatever you want to with it,” Fisher said.

The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

“The offense we run, some teams are starting to read what we’re doing,” Grant said. “So to change things up a bit to make me more comfortable, I think it helps us out.”

It helped that Grant’s screener was Porzingis, another player who thrives in screen-roll scenarios thanks to the inside-out pressure he puts on defenses. Twice in Sunday’s win, Grant drew two defenders trying to cut off his drive and kicked the ball to Porzingis, who had popped out behind the arc, for a pair of wide-open 3-pointers. Then on Monday, Grant collapsed one side of the floor briefly with a drive, freeing up Porzingis for a shot he banked off the glass.

This was one of the main reasons i stay on fishers case, Just constantly going away from sht that was working and progressing his player

Grant is who he is, can't make him into something he's not this early in his professional career, grant played very well with KP in SL.

The fact that fisher and his staff took 30+ games to figure this out is mind boggling, in addition to that, benching KP, Afflalo, and melo a the same time. WTH were they thinking???


Everyone needs rest especially KP and Melo. KP cause he's a 20 year old rookie who isn't used to this much playing time and Melo cause of his knee and age. You have to remember that Fisher is learning and last year to me doesn't count for much cause he had a horrible team that you can't learn with so for me this is his first full year learning the head coaching job.


BS, last year he gotta pass, and this year you want to give him another, then next yr it will be "it's only his 2nd yr". The dude gets paid like an elite coach. You guys kill melo about his contract doesn't add up to his production, and keep having sympathy for fisher and his staff.

It's time to take the kid gloves off this coaching staff, I'm happy they have finally gotten together after a 150 games. Let these players play ball, and stop trying to turn them into something they are not, especially over night.

36 rings and the players were bought in to fit a system. Let them play into the system. The gang of 36 knows if a team sticks to it "the sum of the parts are greater than it is individually". Your suggesting let the players do their thing.

Not gonna happen here. They signed up to work for "boys of bling". Some as free agents. Triangle is hard. That's what makes some teams better than others. Not every team can do it. Its hard, and it rarely works in the first year. Owner should judge "is progress made".

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1/9/2016  7:47 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.

Yeah I was screaming for Fish to use KP and Jerian together, which they at one point had only play a total of 17 minutes together all season! It's a natural combo that should work GREAT. They also haven't fully explored Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post. I can see that being very effective too.

“If you come from being a point guard and a leader on a college team, then go to a pro team, you may be the lowest guy on the totem pole in terms of whose locker room it is, whose ego is the biggest, who you have to satisfy when you’re out there, who gets the most touches,” he said. It’s not your ball to play with to do whatever you want to with it,” Fisher said.

The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

“The offense we run, some teams are starting to read what we’re doing,” Grant said. “So to change things up a bit to make me more comfortable, I think it helps us out.”

It helped that Grant’s screener was Porzingis, another player who thrives in screen-roll scenarios thanks to the inside-out pressure he puts on defenses. Twice in Sunday’s win, Grant drew two defenders trying to cut off his drive and kicked the ball to Porzingis, who had popped out behind the arc, for a pair of wide-open 3-pointers. Then on Monday, Grant collapsed one side of the floor briefly with a drive, freeing up Porzingis for a shot he banked off the glass.

This was one of the main reasons i stay on fishers case, Just constantly going away from sht that was working and progressing his player

Grant is who he is, can't make him into something he's not this early in his professional career, grant played very well with KP in SL.

The fact that fisher and his staff took 30+ games to figure this out is mind boggling, in addition to that, benching KP, Afflalo, and melo a the same time. WTH were they thinking???


Everyone needs rest especially KP and Melo. KP cause he's a 20 year old rookie who isn't used to this much playing time and Melo cause of his knee and age. You have to remember that Fisher is learning and last year to me doesn't count for much cause he had a horrible team that you can't learn with so for me this is his first full year learning the head coaching job.


BS, last year he gotta pass, and this year you want to give him another, then next yr it will be "it's only his 2nd yr". The dude gets paid like an elite coach. You guys kill melo about his contract doesn't add up to his production, and keep having sympathy for fisher and his staff.

It's time to take the kid gloves off this coaching staff, I'm happy they have finally gotten together after a 150 games. Let these players play ball, and stop trying to turn them into something they are not, especially over night.


You can say what you want but the truth will still be the truth when you're done with another one of your rants.
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The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

This is why I started a thread on this. So that it's CRYSTAL CLEAR what I'm talking about. Allowing Jerian to call for a screen OUT OF a normal Side Triangle look is merely a tweak and not a substantial moving away from the offense!

When the team comes down the floor the rules are still the same. They still fill the same lanes and spots. The big can still set a drag screen or not. Once in half court if the defense is back and the PG doesn't see a lane to attack, they set up in one of the various Triangle sets and the PG can call for a screen or not.

Jerian took the screen option a few times but not every time. He also ran the normal Triangle action where the big goes into the post. As I've said MANY times the Side Triangle isn't the entire offense and running a PnR doesn't really change the offense. It's still about spacing, reads, motion and passing. PnR or Pinch Post Dribble Hand Off is not that different. Still a 2 man game inside the Triangle Offense.

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knicks1248 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that KP's shooting percentage is so much higher with Grant (limited minutes). That certainly bodes well for the future.

Yeah I was screaming for Fish to use KP and Jerian together, which they at one point had only play a total of 17 minutes together all season! It's a natural combo that should work GREAT. They also haven't fully explored Jerian and DWill in the Pinch Post. I can see that being very effective too.

“If you come from being a point guard and a leader on a college team, then go to a pro team, you may be the lowest guy on the totem pole in terms of whose locker room it is, whose ego is the biggest, who you have to satisfy when you’re out there, who gets the most touches,” he said. It’s not your ball to play with to do whatever you want to with it,” Fisher said.

The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

“The offense we run, some teams are starting to read what we’re doing,” Grant said. “So to change things up a bit to make me more comfortable, I think it helps us out.”

It helped that Grant’s screener was Porzingis, another player who thrives in screen-roll scenarios thanks to the inside-out pressure he puts on defenses. Twice in Sunday’s win, Grant drew two defenders trying to cut off his drive and kicked the ball to Porzingis, who had popped out behind the arc, for a pair of wide-open 3-pointers. Then on Monday, Grant collapsed one side of the floor briefly with a drive, freeing up Porzingis for a shot he banked off the glass.

This was one of the main reasons i stay on fishers case, Just constantly going away from sht that was working and progressing his player

Grant is who he is, can't make him into something he's not this early in his professional career, grant played very well with KP in SL.

The fact that fisher and his staff took 30+ games to figure this out is mind boggling, in addition to that, benching KP, Afflalo, and melo a the same time. WTH were they thinking???


Everyone needs rest especially KP and Melo. KP cause he's a 20 year old rookie who isn't used to this much playing time and Melo cause of his knee and age. You have to remember that Fisher is learning and last year to me doesn't count for much cause he had a horrible team that you can't learn with so for me this is his first full year learning the head coaching job.


BS, last year he gotta pass, and this year you want to give him another, then next yr it will be "it's only his 2nd yr". The dude gets paid like an elite coach. You guys kill melo about his contract doesn't add up to his production, and keep having sympathy for fisher and his staff.

It's time to take the kid gloves off this coaching staff, I'm happy they have finally gotten together after a 150 games. Let these players play ball, and stop trying to turn them into something they are not, especially over night.

neither fisher or jackson's salary count against the salary cap. if anyone should have a beef it's dolan.

alas, dolan has admitted he knows nothing about basketball, and the results of his meddling has been the last 15 years of being a laughingstock. at some point he was forced by the league to hire walsh, who he managed to alienate, and then he was eventually cajoled to hire jackson.

you need to realize that patience is required with the team. it is under the weight of a lot of karmic inertia.

there's a plan in place and they are sticking to that plan, with some tweaks along the way. by the time the knicks are within striking distance of a title, ie a top 6 team, a number of the players you see now will have likely been replaced while the coach will more likely remain.

why? because winning organizations are ordered from the top down... just as bad organizations rot from the head down.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

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mreinman wrote:
The difference was apparent Sunday against Atlanta, when Fisher and his staff told Grant it was OK to go back to his bread and butter by calling for more ball screens and relying less on the triangle offense, since the Hawks were jumping passing lanes the Knicks use as part of their triangle attack.

Just having a little fun

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Good read on KP and Grant.

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