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1/7/2016  1:16 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605555-why-must-knicks-choose-between-carmelo-anthony-and-kristaps-porzingis
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1/7/2016  1:28 PM
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No Need to Break Up the Melo-Porzingis Tandem
Dan Favale

Why Must Knicks Choose Between Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis?

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Building around Carmelo Anthony and engineering a future around rookie Kristaps Porzingis do not need to be mutually exclusive agendas for the New York Knicks.

So why pretend otherwise?

Anthony's no-trade clause, on top of the $101.6 million he's owed through 2018-19, has kept the notion of an immediate dissolution at bay. But the Knicks were apparently almost open to moving him over the offseason, according to Zach Lowe, then of Grantland, and there still exists a faction of fans and pundits who would seemingly cut bait with Anthony if given the option—all in the name of everything Porzingis.

Which, frankly, doesn't make much sense.


Contrary to initial concerns, the results generated by the Anthony-Porzingis partnership are encouraging.

More than a decade separates the 31-year-old Anthony and 20-year-old Porzingis. Even now, after knowing how rapidly New York's Latvian newbie has progressed, they don't project as the ideal pairing, because their primes will never intersect.

But Porzingis is doing everything he can to bridge the gap between his official entry into superstardom and what's left of Anthony's heyday. He is the lone Knicks starter with a positive net rating, and the NBA has only ever seen two other players, age 20 or younger, average at least 17 points, 10 rebounds and 2.5 blocks per 36 minutes.

Those players? Anthony Davis and Shaquille O'Neal.

Porzingis' fast-paced development hasn't slowed when playing beside Anthony, either. The Knicks, in fact, have taken to using Anthony as a pressure-release valve for their beginner.

Slightly less than 85 percent of Porzingis' minutes have been spent with his veteran running mate, and the Anthony-Porzingis dyad is New York's second-most used two-man combination. It is also the team's most reliably effective pairing.

Exactly 20 different two-man couplings have logged at least 275 minutes of action for the Knicks. The Anthony-Porzingis connection is posting the highest net rating among them. New York is outscoring opponents by 2.7 points per 100 possessions with those two in the game, which is markedly better than its minus-2.1 margin overall and would rank among the 10 best marks in the league.

These two just fit together, as two interchangeable inside-out scorers, and it shows in how each fares without the other:

The above differentials aren't drummed up by this duo playing extensive time with New York's other three starters; that unit is a net-minus.


The on-court relationship shared between Anthony and Porzingis offers no reason for alarm.

This moderate success shared between Anthony and Porzingis isn't a happy accident destined to fade with time. Their dynamic is being deliberately fostered by its supposed-to-be detractor: Anthony himself.

"I know what we have as teammates," he told Yahoo Sports' Marc J. Spears when pressed about the belief that he and Porzingis cannot thrive together. "Nobody can come between us despite what anybody says. Nobody."

Such sentiments might have been written off as posturing or hollow when coming from Anthony in years past, but he, right along with Porzingis, is making a conscious effort to evolve—specifically as a passer.

Anthony is posting the second-highest assist percentage of his career despite recording the third-lowest usage rate of his NBA tenure. His shooting percentages have plummeted, but he is averaging his fewest shot attempts per minute since he was a sophomore and remains one of just three players clearing 20 points, 7.5 rebounds and 3.5 assists per 36 minutes. His company: Paul George and Blake Griffin.

Offensive reads Anthony wasn't making or refused to make in the past are now nightly staples. Among players to appear in a minimum of 10 games, only James Harden goes to isolation sets more, but Anthony has focused on eschewing clock-consuming one-on-one sets from the elbow for pick-and-rolls above the break:

Almost no one on the Knicks has capitalized on Anthony's shift in focus more than Porzingis, as Bleacher Report's Jared Dubin previously underscored (emphasis mine):

Luckily for the Knicks, they seem to have finally found a player Anthony trusts implicitly: Kristaps Porzingis. Carmelo has passed the ball to Porzingis more often on a per-game basis than any non-point guard teammate he's had in the three years for which the NBA has SportVU data.

He's thrown Porzingis an average of 7.5 passes per game [now 7.7], a full two passes more than the next closest player in the database: 2013-14 J.R. Smith. Those passes have also put Porzingis in position to shoot more often than any other teammate of Anthony's.

Porzingis has attempted at least 45 more shots off Anthony's passes than any other Knicks player. He's burying just 34.4 percent of those looks, and his effective field-goal rate drops considerably when he plays with Anthony, but it's the volume that's important.

Besides, Anthony has assisted on more than 14 percent of Porzingis' made baskets, second only to Jose Calderon's 19-plus percent, and the Knicks obviously have Porzingis stationing himself in the vicinity of where Anthony catches the ball:

Additional value will be added to the Anthony-Porzingis alliance as the latter's shot develops. Most of Porzingis' buckets already come off assists, and his effective field-goal percentage is higher on catch-and-shoot opportunities. And because that lets Anthony stay on the ball, it makes achieving sustainable success not only easier but inevitable.


Anthony is playing a brand of basketball that will allow Porzingis to one day supersede him.

There will come a time when egos matter more than X's and O's—when Porzingis needs to become New York's alpha, seizing status and even more touches from Anthony. And that could be problematic—if not for the fact that Anthony is taking steps to ensure it won't be.

In addition to refining his passing chops and investing time and possessions in Porzingis, Anthony is gradually prepping himself for sidekick duty. Catch-and-shoot touches have become a noticeably bigger part of his offensive repertoire over the last three seasons, and the results, relative to his overall performance, are encouraging:

Effective field-goal percentages are typically higher in spot-up situations, just not to this degree. Anthony is almost 10 points better this season than his overall clip. Kevin Durant's, by comparison, jumps by less than four percentage points; LeBron James is actually faring worse on standalone looks.

Comfort with playing off the rock will allow Anthony to naturally acquiesce to Porzingis' rise and should even help him raise his shooting percentages as he enters the back end of his career.


The Anthony vs. Porzingis debate is overblown.

Since Anthony's play style isn't lowering Porzingis' immediate and long-term ceiling, it only makes sense to break up this two-man band if Anthony's contract is really that bad.

Committing nine figures to an over-30 superstar with a history of knee problems isn't the ideal investment. But the Knicks will get more bang for their buck once the salary cap explodes.

Anthony's 2015-16 earnings eat up 32.7 percent of New York's spending power. In 2016-17, once the cap reaches $89 million, according to DraftExpress' Jonathan Givony, he'll swallow 27.6 percent; and in 2017-18, when the cap hits $108 million, just 24.3 percent.

That declining number makes it far easier for team president Phil Jackson to surround Anthony and Porzingis with better free agents. More importantly, along with Anthony's willingness to reconfigure his game to accommodate Porzingis, it eradicates any urgency New York might have to separate its two best players for the sake of the future.
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When it comes to Porzingis and Anthony, the Knicks needn't choose.

Should the day ever come when the Knicks are forced to choose between Anthony and Porzingis, the 20-year-old Latvian is the inarguable choice, and New York will then have to cope with a lack of leverage in trade discussions for its aging All-Star.

Only, as of now, that day shouldn't ever come.

Because it shouldn't ever have to.

Stats courtesy of Basketball-Reference.com and NBA.com unless otherwise cited and are accurate leading into games on Jan. 6. Salary information via Basketball Insiders.

Dan Favale covers the NBA for Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter, @danfavale.

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1/7/2016  3:15 PM
The argument to deal Melo because you have to choose between now and the future is stupid. Be a smart team and just choose both. KP is already a good player and can help us win now. We do not own our pick this summer so there is no incentive to lose. Melo is more valuable as a contributor on the court and a mentor to KP than as a trade chip. Choosing one course or the other was just a made up theory to produce online content for ESPN, etc. Anyone who follows the Spurs, who are the model franchise, realize they don't choose between now and rebuild, they pick both. I'm finally glad we are operating like a top franchise for once and preaching chemistry and balance over one extreme or the other.
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1/7/2016  3:22 PM
I said this in November and a fair amount of posters here ate me alive and told me I was an idiot for even thinking keeping Melo was an option.
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1/7/2016  4:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:I said this in November and a fair amount of posters here ate me alive and told me I was an idiot for even thinking keeping Melo was an option.

Well clearly you were right about this topic.

I really don't see what the problem is. Melo is the kind of player that lives off his skill and strength and now he's added Ball Distribution to his skill set. He's gonna be able to do these kinds of things for a while. Since he's not a high flyer or super quick guy, his game has a strong chance of aging very well. Some think that KP's prime and Melo's won't cross but that isn't really the point. KP should develop well enough and Melo's game should hold up enough over the next 4 years that they can do serious damage together.

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1/7/2016  6:23 PM
If Melo is willing to play like a guard and not just a scoring forward, then it can work. I do think they pose huge mismatch problems as a team's 4-3 or 5-4. They can move up to 5-4 or be at 4-3. Both scenarios cause match up hell. The key will be Melo always pushing KP to stay aggressive and to help him by being a guard and setting him up, not just KP always trying to set up Melo. If they do it like that, it can work without question.
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1/7/2016  6:42 PM
I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/7/2016  7:00 PM
mreinman wrote:I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

Does Melo decide who takes those free throws? I always thought that was determined by the coach but I am not sure.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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1/7/2016  7:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

Does Melo decide who takes those free throws? I always thought that was determined by the coach but I am not sure.

I am pretty sure melo just takes it. Why the hell would any coach tell melo to shoot it when jose is there? Or prigs or novak etc ...

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/7/2016  7:17 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

Does Melo decide who takes those free throws? I always thought that was determined by the coach but I am not sure.

I am pretty sure melo just takes it. Why the hell would any coach tell melo to shoot it when jose is there? Or prigs or novak etc ...

Calderon said there’s an understanding that Anthony will take the technical foul shots.

“If we are together, Melo will take the first one for sure” he said. “If he’s not there, then I’ll go. And if he maybe misses his first one, or he is having an off night and we have another free throw coming up, I’ll go up to him and say, ‘Let me take this one.’ But it’s no big deal.”


http://www.wsj.com/articles/hey-knicks-why-is-kyle-oquinn-taking-technical-foul-shots-1446596021
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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1/7/2016  7:24 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

Does Melo decide who takes those free throws? I always thought that was determined by the coach but I am not sure.

I am pretty sure melo just takes it. Why the hell would any coach tell melo to shoot it when jose is there? Or prigs or novak etc ...

Calderon said there’s an understanding that Anthony will take the technical foul shots.

“If we are together, Melo will take the first one for sure” he said. “If he’s not there, then I’ll go. And if he maybe misses his first one, or he is having an off night and we have another free throw coming up, I’ll go up to him and say, ‘Let me take this one.’ But it’s no big deal.”


http://www.wsj.com/articles/hey-knicks-why-is-kyle-oquinn-taking-technical-foul-shots-1446596021

I remember this Herring article - he's so good at the little details like this.

Calderon is smart and a PG first - he knows if Melo sees the ball go through the net on a FT, it might help his confidence on his next jumper. I'm sure more than thinking he shoots free throws slightly better than Melo, his thought process is "this might get Melo going."

It's one of the sillier critiques of Melo's game.

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1/7/2016  8:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

Does Melo decide who takes those free throws? I always thought that was determined by the coach but I am not sure.

I am pretty sure melo just takes it. Why the hell would any coach tell melo to shoot it when jose is there? Or prigs or novak etc ...

Calderon said there’s an understanding that Anthony will take the technical foul shots.

“If we are together, Melo will take the first one for sure” he said. “If he’s not there, then I’ll go. And if he maybe misses his first one, or he is having an off night and we have another free throw coming up, I’ll go up to him and say, ‘Let me take this one.’ But it’s no big deal.”


http://www.wsj.com/articles/hey-knicks-why-is-kyle-oquinn-taking-technical-foul-shots-1446596021

yeah still don't get it. Understanding? the best foul shooter should shoot technicals.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/7/2016  9:58 PM
Cartman718 wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605555-why-must-knicks-choose-between-carmelo-anthony-and-kristaps-porzingis

I hate when some doosh bag writer wants to write an article that will catch peoples attention so decides to act like he knows what the knicks need to do with our team.

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1/7/2016  10:04 PM
crzymdups wrote:I said this in November and a fair amount of posters here ate me alive and told me I was an idiot for even thinking keeping Melo was an option.

Sooooooo i'm guessing you came to say you were wrong then right???

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1/7/2016  10:09 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

Does Melo decide who takes those free throws? I always thought that was determined by the coach but I am not sure.

I am pretty sure melo just takes it. Why the hell would any coach tell melo to shoot it when jose is there? Or prigs or novak etc ...

Who cares?? Some people just wanna find a negative in everything Knicks. Just enjoy that we have Phil building this team THE RIGHT WAY and be happy that we have KP6 and a new Melo and some pretty good pices around them and knowing that Phil is gonna do everything he can to build this team into a team that's ready to compete for championships. I mean now were gonna complain about melo who's a what 87/88% free throw shooter taking the technical's?? GEESH.

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1/7/2016  10:17 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I said this in November and a fair amount of posters here ate me alive and told me I was an idiot for even thinking keeping Melo was an option.

Sooooooo i'm guessing you came to say you were wrong then right???

huh?

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1/7/2016  11:43 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:I will know how much melo changed and how much he loves melo when melo lets KP (a better FT shooter) shoot the technicals

we already know that he will not allow jose (one of the best fould shooters of all time) shoot them

Does Melo decide who takes those free throws? I always thought that was determined by the coach but I am not sure.

I am pretty sure melo just takes it. Why the hell would any coach tell melo to shoot it when jose is there? Or prigs or novak etc ...

Who cares?? Some people just wanna find a negative in everything Knicks. Just enjoy that we have Phil building this team THE RIGHT WAY and be happy that we have KP6 and a new Melo and some pretty good pices around them and knowing that Phil is gonna do everything he can to build this team into a team that's ready to compete for championships. I mean now were gonna complain about melo who's a what 87/88% free throw shooter taking the technical's?? GEESH.

I am very happy and will still call things that I see that are wrong and need to change knowing that it all does not happen overnight.

melo is at 83%. I care that it makes zero sense. No defending this unless people will just defending everything blindly.

Again, love the way he has been playing and there is still a lot of room to grow.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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