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Malcolm
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1/7/2016  9:06 AM
After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

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Knicks1969
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1/7/2016  9:13 AM
Malcolm wrote:After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

This is what length and high IQ basketball will do for you. I know some here will claim that Fisher has a lot to do with it, but when you have two legit 7 footers on the court in RoLo and KP, particularly a dude like KP who is long, agile and can keep up with perimeter players, add a defensively dedicated Melo to the mix, with Aflalo in the back court, your defense will improve immensely.

Perhaps we can be even better minus Calderon in the back court as our starting PG. I am not saying trade him, but to play him strictly as a backup SG:)

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/7/2016  9:18 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

This is what length and high IQ basketball will do for you. I know some here will claim that Fisher has a lot to do with it, but when you have two legit 7 footers on the court in RoLo and KP, particularly a dude like KP who is long, agile and can keep up with perimeter players, add a defensively dedicated Melo to the mix, with Aflalo in the back court, your defense will improve immensely.

Perhaps we can be even better minus Calderon in the back court as our starting PG. I am not saying trade him, but to play him strictly as a backup SG:)

yeah it's quite clear that the knicks latest success is in spite of fisher's bungling.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/7/2016  9:25 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

This is what length and high IQ basketball will do for you. I know some here will claim that Fisher has a lot to do with it, but when you have two legit 7 footers on the court in RoLo and KP, particularly a dude like KP who is long, agile and can keep up with perimeter players, add a defensively dedicated Melo to the mix, with Aflalo in the back court, your defense will improve immensely.

Perhaps we can be even better minus Calderon in the back court as our starting PG. I am not saying trade him, but to play him strictly as a backup SG:)

So if Mike DAntoni was the coach the D would be just as good?
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1/7/2016  9:31 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

This is what length and high IQ basketball will do for you. I know some here will claim that Fisher has a lot to do with it, but when you have two legit 7 footers on the court in RoLo and KP, particularly a dude like KP who is long, agile and can keep up with perimeter players, add a defensively dedicated Melo to the mix, with Aflalo in the back court, your defense will improve immensely.

Perhaps we can be even better minus Calderon in the back court as our starting PG. I am not saying trade him, but to play him strictly as a backup SG:)

Yea, your right. A coach has no bearing on team defense. And Fisher is only responsible for any misses the players may have.

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1/7/2016  9:46 AM
fishmike wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

This is what length and high IQ basketball will do for you. I know some here will claim that Fisher has a lot to do with it, but when you have two legit 7 footers on the court in RoLo and KP, particularly a dude like KP who is long, agile and can keep up with perimeter players, add a defensively dedicated Melo to the mix, with Aflalo in the back court, your defense will improve immensely.

Perhaps we can be even better minus Calderon in the back court as our starting PG. I am not saying trade him, but to play him strictly as a backup SG:)

So if Mike DAntoni was the coach the D would be just as good?

IF= is a supposition

an idea or theory that you believe is true even though you do not have proof

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/7/2016  9:57 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

This is what length and high IQ basketball will do for you. I know some here will claim that Fisher has a lot to do with it, but when you have two legit 7 footers on the court in RoLo and KP, particularly a dude like KP who is long, agile and can keep up with perimeter players, add a defensively dedicated Melo to the mix, with Aflalo in the back court, your defense will improve immensely.

Perhaps we can be even better minus Calderon in the back court as our starting PG. I am not saying trade him, but to play him strictly as a backup SG:)

So if Mike DAntoni was the coach the D would be just as good?

IF= is a supposition

an idea or theory that you believe is true even though you do not have proof

You're giving us quite a lot of proof of something.

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1/7/2016  11:09 AM
thank you mr lopez you stiff for making are defense relevant
so here is what phil is thinking ....
WaltLongmire
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1/7/2016  11:26 AM
Lot of factors leading to our success on D.

We all knew that Lopez, now in his prime, would give his usual defensive effort, but I don't think any of us though KP would be as significant a factor on a regular basis. Saw some hints of what he could do in SL, but some of the lateral movement chasing blocks he's made...like the one on Wade, yesterday, have been ridiculous. I saw him do one on Mardy Collins in Euro-Ball...did not think he would be doing the same on a DWade.

Anthony has really stepped up his D, and don't think that other guys on the team don't notice this. I think that in some ways, he and Lopez have set a defensive tone.

AA is a solid defender who shows some pride on that end of the court.

Thomas has been an excellent all purpose troubleshooting defender.

Even Calderon, of all people, has shown some grit.

Gallo and Grant play D, and we've even seen Williams step it up at times, even though he has moments of losing his attention.

Saw some good help D, yesterday, too.


Biggest thing for me on defense is to have guys who buy in to what you're doing as a team, but more importantly, IMO, is to have guys with the kind of pride in this aspect of the game...guys who get visibly annoyed with themselves when they do something that lets an opponent score. Seems to me that we have a number of guys like this on this Knicks team

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1/7/2016  12:29 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Biggest thing for me on defense is to have guys who buy in to what you're doing as a team, but more importantly, IMO, is to have guys with the kind of pride in this aspect of the game...guys who get visibly annoyed with themselves when they do something that lets an opponent score. Seems to me that we have a number of guys like this on this Knicks team

Big props to Phil Jackson for assembling this roster with the few resources he had . . .
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1/7/2016  12:30 PM
Malcolm wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Biggest thing for me on defense is to have guys who buy in to what you're doing as a team, but more importantly, IMO, is to have guys with the kind of pride in this aspect of the game...guys who get visibly annoyed with themselves when they do something that lets an opponent score. Seems to me that we have a number of guys like this on this Knicks team

Big props to Phil Jackson for assembling this roster with the few resources he had . . .

Yup.
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1/7/2016  12:46 PM
If you really look at the details of how the Knicks defend it's more than just the talent. You still have to put it all together in a way that minimizes the weaknesses and enhances the team's strengths. TEAM defense is not a given even if you have tall players. We aren't the only team with tall players. Being able to hold team's 3pt shooting down is another example of a team that is executing a defensive scheme well. You ALWAYS need defensive talent but you still have to organize that talent into a cohesive unit.
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1/7/2016  12:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2016  12:53 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Lot of factors leading to our success on D.

We all knew that Lopez, now in his prime, would give his usual defensive effort, but I don't think any of us though KP would be as significant a factor on a regular basis. Saw some hints of what he could do in SL, but some of the lateral movement chasing blocks he's made...like the one on Wade, yesterday, have been ridiculous. I saw him do one on Mardy Collins in Euro-Ball...did not think he would be doing the same on a DWade.

Anthony has really stepped up his D, and don't think that other guys on the team don't notice this. I think that in some ways, he and Lopez have set a defensive tone.

AA is a solid defender who shows some pride on that end of the court.

Thomas has been an excellent all purpose troubleshooting defender.

Even Calderon, of all people, has shown some grit.

Gallo and Grant play D, and we've even seen Williams step it up at times, even though he has moments of losing his attention.

Saw some good help D, yesterday, too.


Biggest thing for me on defense is to have guys who buy in to what you're doing as a team, but more importantly, IMO, is to have guys with the kind of pride in this aspect of the game...guys who get visibly annoyed with themselves when they do something that lets an opponent score. Seems to me that we have a number of guys like this on this Knicks team

No "we" didnt. Plenty of posters here have been trashing Lopez since the signing, right up to last week.

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1/7/2016  1:21 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Malcolm wrote:After shutting down Miami 3-pointers (2/17), Knicks are back on top of NBA in 3-point defense:

New York .315
San Antonio .315
Golden State .316
Boston .318
Miami .322
Indiana .322
Detroit .332
Chicago .333

And Knicks are now 6th in adjusted field goal % defense:

Chicago .459
San Antonio .463
Golden State .464
Boston .471
Miami .472
New York .475

We're nearly at half-way point of season now. This is no fluke.

Jackson/Fisher have delivered on promise to make defense the top priority.

This is an INCREDIBLE (I can hardly believe it) achievement in 1/2 a season . . .

This is what length and high IQ basketball will do for you. I know some here will claim that Fisher has a lot to do with it, but when you have two legit 7 footers on the court in RoLo and KP, particularly a dude like KP who is long, agile and can keep up with perimeter players, add a defensively dedicated Melo to the mix, with Aflalo in the back court, your defense will improve immensely.

Perhaps we can be even better minus Calderon in the back court as our starting PG. I am not saying trade him, but to play him strictly as a backup SG:)

Hey, this is entertainment right? Your No GM right?


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1/7/2016  1:22 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14494781/defensive-stopper-making

Has some graphics which appear too big when I post them here.

The gist is that KP is at his best defending within 6 feet of the basket, and 77% of his blocks come within that distance. He and Lopez are actually 3 and 4 in the NBA.


Porzingis...

DEFENSE, BY TYPE OF SHOT
Type DFG% Diff%
Overall 42.2 -3.7
3-pointers 33.7 -1.3
2-pointers 44.4 -5.1
Less than 6 ft 47.7 -11.3
Less than 10 ft 45.2 -9.1
More than 15 ft 37.7 +0.4



TOP 10, BLOCKS/GAME
PLAYER BLKS/GM DIFF%, 6 FT
Hassan Whiteside, MIA 4.0 -9.7
Anthony Davis, NO 2.6 -7.7
Rudy Gobert, UTAH 2.6 -9.6
Serge Ibaka, OKC 2.4 -6.8
Pau Gasol, CHI 2.3 -8.5
DeAndre Jordan, LAC 2.3 -6.1
Brook Lopez, BKN 2.0 -10.2
Kristaps Porzingis, NYK 1.9 -11.3
Karl-Anthony Towns, MIN 1.9 -7.1
Andrew Bogut, GS 1.8 -15.3
John Henson, MIL 1.8 -11.2
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1/7/2016  2:04 PM
then there are the effects not captured in stats, e.g., KP closes out fairly quickly for a big man. It seems uncanny how many times a guy seems squared up for a good shot, KP closes out and the guy ends up with a bad shot (no block). I know the FG% can show up in a stat, but i don't know of a stat that takes into account that the guy missed on a quality attempt

now if Jose can stay in front of his guy more frequently, our defense will be that much better

Go KNicks!

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