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Fisher can coach

The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.

Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.

Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.

Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.

AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.

Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.

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fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach . . .
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern . . .
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender . . .
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league . . .

And this is all a product of Phil Jackson's Triangle Culture . . .

So far . . . so good.

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fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.

GREAT POST! Back before the season when some of us where supportive of this team there was a lot of doubt by some but just seeing this group come together and play like this is exactly what we hoped for. This team is gelling and it's beautiful BBALL!

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offense don't look modern but their defense looks pretty damn modern.

they shoot 58% every night then phuck modern offense

so here is what phil is thinking ....

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mreinman wrote:offense don't look modern but their defense looks pretty damn modern.
they shoot 58% every night then phuck modern offense

Well . . . that's true, I gotta admit

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nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.
GREAT POST! Back before the season when some of us where supportive of this team there was a lot of doubt by some but just seeing this group come together and play like this is exactly what we hoped for. This team is gelling and it's beautiful BBALL!

I agree but let's see them keep this up. They are going to have to in order to successfully reach my 45 win prediction

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nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.
GREAT POST! Back before the season when some of us where supportive of this team there was a lot of doubt by some but just seeing this group come together and play like this is exactly what we hoped for. This team is gelling and it's beautiful BBALL!

Agree. Well said.

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fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.

As long as Jose is scoring the ball, I don't give a rat if he is not defending:::))

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)

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nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.
GREAT POST! Back before the season when some of us where supportive of this team there was a lot of doubt by some but just seeing this group come together and play like this is exactly what we hoped for. This team is gelling and it's beautiful BBALL!

this is like saying I love nascar in carolina

so here is what phil is thinking ....

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mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.
GREAT POST! Back before the season when some of us where supportive of this team there was a lot of doubt by some but just seeing this group come together and play like this is exactly what we hoped for. This team is gelling and it's beautiful BBALL!
this is like saying I love nascar in carolina

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. I do know that this team is finally doing the things we predicted they could do. Let's hope they continue to grow as a team.

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Key for our season will be whether Lopez/Porzingis can keep dominating the rim defensively, such that our defense is what it can be, and if Melo keeps moving the ball like he has. If these 2 things happen (Fish sticking with his recent Center rotation and Melo playing like this) the Knicks will have a solid season. If they can't, it'll be more or less what we've seen - win a few, lose a few, rinse and repeat.

This last stretch of winning 4/5 (starting with Detroit game) has been the best basketball this team has played. It's been against all very good teams, and they've not just beaten Det/Atl/Miami, they'be beaten them convincingly on both ends. The identity has formed here. Trust Lopez/Porzingis to anchor and play hard on defense. Melo, moves the ball and the team trusts it's offense. They've got their identity now. It remains to be seen if they'll play like this and remember it the rest of the way.

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nyknickzingis wrote:Key for our season will be whether Lopez/Porzingis can keep dominating the rim defensively, such that our defense is what it can be, and if Melo keeps moving the ball like he has. If these 2 things happen (Fish sticking with his recent Center rotation and Melo playing like this) the Knicks will have a solid season. If they can't, it'll be more or less what we've seen - win a few, lose a few, rinse and repeat.
This last stretch of winning 4/5 (starting with Detroit game) has been the best basketball this team has played. It's been against all very good teams, and they've not just beaten Det/Atl/Miami, they'be beaten them convincingly on both ends. The identity has formed here. Trust Lopez/Porzingis to anchor and play hard on defense. Melo, moves the ball and the team trusts it's offense. They've got their identity now. It remains to be seen if they'll play like this and remember it the rest of the way.

This is actual GROWTH! They've built towards this level of play gradually, so I don't think it's some passing phase of fluke type of thing. They may have setbacks but if they keep trusting each other and the system they should be able to sustain and build on this.

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this is definitely what phil's vision was - a team where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. it's taken a while to come together, and I think it's still a work in progress.

Fisher, I think, has started to improve- comments from Grant that Fisher had started to talk to him & explain stuff is encouraging because I thought what all the guys needed was more instruction into 'how to' play in this system.

I didn't think we'd win any of these games, but thought we had the talent to do so.

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mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.
GREAT POST! Back before the season when some of us where supportive of this team there was a lot of doubt by some but just seeing this group come together and play like this is exactly what we hoped for. This team is gelling and it's beautiful BBALL!
this is like saying I love nascar in carolina

LOL... not bad

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I believe the jury is still out on Fisher. Id like to see how he finishes the season, and if we make the playoffs. Not sold yet on bringing him back next season although it seems likely. Im not suggesting that KP and Grant are being hurt by Fisher as coach, KP is a ROY candidate. I am suggesting that I dont want to see Fisher next season if (after the all star break) Fisher cant get a good run out of the healthiest, most talented roster, in many years. I want the best coach for our potential superstar big man, and Im still not sure that its Fisher. I do like the job he has done over the last few games though.

As for Lopez, was saying that I'd rather have Lopez than Monroe before the signing. Especially in the playoffs where the game slows down, and someone with Rolo's skill set becomes very important.

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fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.

I was going to make a thread but didn't really have the time. Asking the question if through constant repetition would Lopez be able to develop the skills that the Tri ask of him? Making that mid range jumper, post moves, feeds to cutters.

Phil might have believed Lopez had the things you can't teach. So maybe he could develop the other things through repetition?

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what i have seen in the last two games is fisher's directive and/or mandate that the knicks learn to play together as a unit. someone here recently mentioned "synergy" and that is the best word to sum up what the knicks are getting to steadily, albeit too slowly for some.

if the narrative developmental arc of this team is two seasons, then we should not be looking at game 25 to see what team the knicks are, but rather game fifty. they played their 37th game last night (seems pretty fast) and are projected to win 39 games as of today. game 37 is virtually midway between 25 and 50.

i have seen a team that will struggle to make the playoffs, although lately they look more like a playoff team. too bad it isn't last season, as it looks like you need 45 games to even make the eighth seed.

that said, i maintain that it does not matter whether the knicks make the playoffs this season, if it means playing the wrong way to get there. i'd rather see them continue to learn to play together as a unit even if it means losing a few games.

ultimately, playing as a unit and creating synergy has mostly to do with the quality of the passing the knicks utilize (although there are other things), ie teamwork, and talking on defense.

as walt frazier has said "teamwork and defense are the hallmark of champions."

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%

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dk7th wrote:that said, i maintain that it does not matter whether the knicks make the playoffs this season, if it means playing the wrong way to get there. i'd rather see them continue to learn to play together as a unit even if it means losing a few games.

I agree with you.

And chances are OVERWHELMINGLY high that we'll get we what we agree on: more losses as development continues .

But hopefully we all (players, fans, ownership) now realize in actual experienced FACT (not just theory) what Phil Jackson is doing and why it can be really great . . .

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fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.

Well said. Melo is a new player with an added perspective and definately our best player. The great news is he will get even better as he is playing into game shape and his knees are hopefully getting stronger.

As for Fisher, winning changes just about anything. Specially perception of a coaches effectiveness. Fisher has been trying to find a rotation that works but the players have not been consistent. He finally got productive play from the one used in last three wins. Easy to blame coach when rotations are not working but thats on the players more than the coach. He deserves a lot of credit for the intensity and success on the defensive end.

I was pleasantly surprised by the play of Rolo in the last three games. Was not happy with his price tag but I am starting to see the potential of the front court. Specially if Melo gets his legs and KP becomes a bit more consistent on offense. KP and Rolo have already been very good on defense.

Jose is showing what a veteran point guard can do. Don't think anyone is surprised by his defensive speed, which has been better lately, but were surprised by his early inefectivess on the offensive side. He has definately been more agressive and consistent from the 3pt line.

The bench has also been solid and the shorter rotation has enabled them to find a role and be more effective. Let's hope it only gets better. If Grant improves and we can add another 3pt shooter to second unit we will have a aolid bench. Go Knicks!!

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HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:Fisher can coach
The triangle looked pretty phucking modern against one of the leagues best defenses tonight. 58% FGs. Damn.
Robin Lopez did things tonight he's done all year. Tonight he just did them the best and most often. He does things Monroe could NEVER do and will NEVER do. As a Knick fan of the 90s I biased regarding what Lopez brings, I admit that.. but I value this greatly.
Lopez and KP and Melo have the frontcourt makings of an elite contender. I just hope it doesn't take too long, but as early as next year this trio could really be amazing. Great mix of balance, size and length.
Anyone see Bosh hold Jose after the game like a child he hasn't seen for a year? Jose is a BIG part of this team chemistry. Not every dude is star, but everyone knows Jose plays his ass off. He's a man's pro, and he's a legit floor general. He's limited, everyone knows that, but open your eyes and watch this guy. He keeps these guy's heads up.
AA, DWill, Galloway, Grant.. we have some nice role players.
Right now, today, Melo is healthy and he is a top 10 player in this league.
Well said. Melo is a new player with an added perspective and definately our best player. The great news is he will get even better as he is playing into game shape and his knees are hopefully getting stronger.

The Me70 defense is continually improving and his dimes are increasing, mainly due to those around him playing much better. It's nice to pass to an AA or a Lopez or Taps and know the ball's going in the hole. Instead of off their feet. Or hitting the underside of the backboard.

25 points on 12 PHUHHHUCKING SHOTS!!!! yeah, man. Am I dreaming, or was he actually getting some calls last night?

As for Fisher, winning changes just about anything. Specially perception of a coaches effectiveness. Fisher has been trying to find a rotation that works but the players have not been consistent. He finally got productive play from the one used in last three wins. Easy to blame coach when rotations are not working but thats on the players more than the coach. He deserves a lot of credit for the intensity and success on the defensive end.

Again, amazing happens when the shots are falling. Defensively, all I have to say is Stat/Bargs --> Rolo/Porzingis. Darkest of nights versus the brightest of days. Fish can apparently actually coach when he's not trying to match the DLeague versus the NBA.

The bench has also been solid and the shorter rotation has enabled them to find a role and be more effective. Let's hope in only gets better. If Grant improves and we can add another 3pt shooter to aecond unit we will have a aolid bench. Go Knicks!!

Phil working the Zen on DWill. The poster child for a quality bench scorer. Heat had very little in the way of an answer for him last night.

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