Unless you are gong to be happywith a 43 win team that gets bonced in the playoffs you better hope Iseah overpays and gets ballers in here that can play for real. Not the soft backups mascarading as starters such as Mohammed and Tiny Tim. Houston is walkin on one leg too. Thats a heck of a startin 5 with those clowns in there. Marbury will have to right all alone again on his snickers. Only hope is on Sweetney and FW, and Penny who at least plays hard no matter how bad he is this days.

I agree with DJsunyc, 100%. I've been calling for that for awhile, unless if an incredible trade came up. I don't think any of the trades mentioned in the rumors were incredible. I want to see Frankie develop, as well as Sweetney, Ariza and maybe even DerMarr. Lets see what the kids can do. I want to see Houston make a dramatic comeback, do the unthinkable, and produce a similar season, as he did a couple of seasons ago. I want to see the team grow together. The Knicks went through a lot of adversity last year, and that certainly helps teams grow. Lets see if the Knicks did that.

Posted by simrud:

Unless you are gong to be happywith a 43 win team that gets bonced in the playoffs you better hope Iseah overpays and gets ballers in here that can play for real. Not the soft backups mascarading as starters such as Mohammed and Tiny Tim. Houston is walkin on one leg too. Thats a heck of a startin 5 with those clowns in there. Marbury will have to right all alone again on his snickers. Only hope is on Sweetney and FW, and Penny who at least plays hard no matter how bad he is this days.

i'm happy with a 43 win team since we're only in calendar year 1 of isiah's leadership. how quick did you expect this team to become finals' material after 3 years of ineptitude in layden. isiah has to deal with all that financial turmoil and mediocre talent first before turning this ship around. and coming off a 39 win season and the first playoffs in 3 years, a 43 win season is just about right for a 2nd season in a rebuilding process. he's already changed the culture and attitude of the team and he's already shown the committment to the younger guys AND he's already shown how to find talent in the 2nd round of a draft. he has a young star to lead the team and put together a good mix of veterans and young players in his first 6 months on the job. it's a process and i'm willing to wait 2-3 years to see how it goes.

this deadline and i think mostly NEXT offseason is when isiah is going to make another MAJOR move (his first being marbury). i think everybody agrees that sweetney is going to be a really really solid player (18 & 10) mold that will solve our low post offensive question since ewing left. and the prospects of playing frank and marbury in the backcourt together looks promising based on the success vs. the nets.

also, tiny tim as you call him, sure he's underachieved his entire career based on his talent but he's still a solid player who was just beginning to find a groove before he got hurt last year. PLUS, he's only been with the team for 20 games. not all trades can click right away like it did with sheed in detroit. tim and h20 played a total of 6 games together last year. 6 games! (btw, 4-2 in those 6) sometimes it takes time to get chemistry and like fish said, if nazr can do something like 12 & 10 next season, his trade value is going to skyrocket. (and it's not that far fetched to think he can)

i agree that h20 is a cause for concern so a move to bring in a jumpshooter via the MLE is probably a good one, but this is the first time he's been hurt his entire career. all we need from him is 20-25 mins a game anyway, with frank and marbury playing the rest of the time. i'm actually digging our unit, like isiah said, and i'm excited to see how it develops.

now, i wouldn't mind trading othella/deke to a team like atlanta + 3 mil for a draft pick. something like that is definitely a feasible move a GM that's clearly looking towards building a team would make.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/20/2004 18:09:53]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Im an advocate of starting Mike Sweetney and giving Ariza every opportunity to get into the back end of the core as the 10th man. Im an advocate of dumping Moochie Norris and atleast giving andre Barrett a shot.

Im not really an advocate of any trade. Im in favor of getting dampier or Crawford for the MLE--Im in favor of stock piling draft picks and giving young athletic talent a chance. I dont want antonie walker unless its for the purpose of clearling shtty contracts, but id rather have picks for KT if I can get them.

I personally dont feel good about H2O I think a 34 year old with bad knees lives on very borrowed time. Maybe its a lesson in when you spend big dollars and when you dont.

The Knicks should make the playoffs this year with relative ease because so many eastern conference team stink BUt we are NO where and I mean NO where near the top 3 teams. So if we dont get position 4 in the playoffs we are going to get smashed in round 1 again. whopppdee do. Building a staple of talented young players to form a core is the way to go. Its proven almost every time. We are thrown together with a ton of money inchorently and our best trade line is *what sht contract can we take + give you 3mm*!


Im rooting for Mike Sweetney to break out and Trevor to learn a 14 footer this year! anything else is entertainment bad or good! Oh I forgot about FW he's on my good side to--he needs to really proof himself this year consistently or the FW project is over.

I agree Briggs with you for once, I want to see more minutes for sweetney, I want to see them give ariza minutes because I think the kid can contribute now simply because he can defend and has a good knowledge of the game to go with his skills... I want to see more frankie and I don't want to overpay bums like Dampier.. I like Crawford but if the bulls want to play this hard, let them deal with crawford, and unhappy crawford...

I do dissagree with you about Houston.. He will be 33 not 34......

Dampier is not a bum, Mohammed is a bum, so is OH and half of our team btw. Dampier would automatically become the 2nd best player on the team behind Marbury if he does 12 12 and 2.5. It is absolutley moronic to find negatives in gettin a 6 11 270 center who can play. Whether we will ever get Dampier is another question, but I coudl care less how much we pay him. We will alwasy be over the cap, as we will trade our expiring deals for another star of Marbury calibur eventually. Or just sign one, which btw is the same end result. So it really doesnt matter how much Dampier is makin 4 years from now. And TT has no potential to be anything, how many years in the league does a guy need to at least stop playin like he is in the WNBA. Actually that punk will prolly get pushed aound in there too.