The Knicks are much improved from last year and enjoyable at times, which means insanely frustrating at times too. Nobody here is really expert enough to help Coach Fisher figure out anymore than his vast coaching staff and mentor. At .500 we might commend him for having the team perhaps play above its heads and ability.

We can glare at the deficit we call our back court but there really is not a quick fix available except what we can hypothetically write about but that has no quantifiable validity. WE can say Fisher is not a good coach, but the team has problems executing.

This fan is just accepting not defeat, but looking at this as another stage of improvement for the knicks. Yes, we are better than last year and have some promising players, but the reality is what it is.

Aflalo is playing like a free agent not many teams coveted and when hot gives the knicks a great chance to win. Jose is playing well, for a backup. Problem is he is our best PG. bringing in new Dleague guys to learn the system and players at that position mid season is not as easy as typing it. I don't have a magic trade or any better ideas for a quick fix.

Its obvious the knicks are not fully set with our group of centers and the right combinations that are most effective. We paid market price and upgraded the front line greatly over last year. KP is ahead of schedule but still a work in progress. Knicks did not know what they had in KP either so they are figuring things out on the fly. It happens.

The future is not so easy near term. One can hope Our eurostash can contribute next year as we don't have a 1st round pick. Gallo and Grant need to improve, and they should. That does not mean they can't take steps backwards. They do and they will.

Knicks need to think about a future with or without Melo as does Melo need to think about his as well. He is playing well and a fan favorite but not able to carry this team to the playoffs. He is a trade asset that can help us reset the franchise.

That said its not entirely out of the question the team can have a mid year growth spurt and improve with what we have. This is what I hoped for as the season progressed. Knicks record is about what I expected. Its about what 75% of you expected based on Martins "record predictor"

Did you expect the team would win about 30-40 games and you'd be in love with the coach? Our back court? We all read tales how difficult running the triangle is with a great roster. Why should be think it be easy with what we got? We had hoped Melo would round out his game, and he has. Should we not be estatic? WE have a great rookie and were giddy a few weeks ago. While not much has changed other than wondering why he is not the focal point of the offense in the 4th quarter, we can only hope that improves.

Letter grades and assigning blame is the media's job to dumb it down for us in a way readers can understand.

After a few games of late I look at the knicks as a work in progress that will take a few years to unfold. Yes, A FEW YEARS!!!
We all knew this.

We wanted Rookies. We have them.
We wanted a young developing coach. We have one.
We wanted Phil Jax, we have him building a culture.

That shyt takes time. Years.

That all said, watching the games is really grating and hurtful to the eyes, because the Knicks are losing alot of games due to incompetence and bad coaching, not just roster quality.

Double edged sword, they're grooming the youths and slowly transitioning from Melo to KP, but at the same time Fisher doesn't play Grant at all, which makes ZERO phucking sense.

Maybe they're trying to boost Calderon's trade value even though he's worth negative 2 cents? Who knows...

BRIGGS wrote:We need a complete guard rebuild a new coaching staff and perhaps a better overall scheme kp is going to need time and he is no doubt a 5 man. We have to weigh what Carmelo gives us versus trading him we can beat the 76 era and tired teams. When we play good teams were one of the bottom 6-7 teams

I agree, we are beating teams we should beat which is ok. Not great.
KP is the future and Knicks do have a player to build upon.

Question is what can we get in return for Melo and what trade would he accept?

Nalod wrote:Comes a time when a team predicted to win 30-40 games and is on that track and we have to accept that reality.

The Knicks are much improved from last year and enjoyable at times, which means insanely frustrating at times too. Nobody here is really expert enough to help Coach Fisher figure out anymore than his vast coaching staff and mentor. At .500 we might commend him for having the team perhaps play above its heads and ability.

We can glare at the deficit we call our back court but there really is not a quick fix available except what we can hypothetically write about but that has no quantifiable validity. WE can say Fisher is not a good coach, but the team has problems executing.

This fan is just accepting not defeat, but looking at this as another stage of improvement for the knicks. Yes, we are better than last year and have some promising players, but the reality is what it is.

Aflalo is playing like a free agent not many teams coveted and when hot gives the knicks a great chance to win. Jose is playing well, for a backup. Problem is he is our best PG. bringing in new Dleague guys to learn the system and players at that position mid season is not as easy as typing it. I don't have a magic trade or any better ideas for a quick fix.

Its obvious the knicks are not fully set with our group of centers and the right combinations that are most effective. We paid market price and upgraded the front line greatly over last year. KP is ahead of schedule but still a work in progress. Knicks did not know what they had in KP either so they are figuring things out on the fly. It happens.

The future is not so easy near term. One can hope Our eurostash can contribute next year as we don't have a 1st round pick. Gallo and Grant need to improve, and they should. That does not mean they can't take steps backwards. They do and they will.

Knicks need to think about a future with or without Melo as does Melo need to think about his as well. He is playing well and a fan favorite but not able to carry this team to the playoffs. He is a trade asset that can help us reset the franchise.

That said its not entirely out of the question the team can have a mid year growth spurt and improve with what we have. This is what I hoped for as the season progressed. Knicks record is about what I expected. Its about what 75% of you expected based on Martins "record predictor"

Did you expect the team would win about 30-40 games and you'd be in love with the coach? Our back court? We all read tales how difficult running the triangle is with a great roster. Why should be think it be easy with what we got? We had hoped Melo would round out his game, and he has. Should we not be estatic? WE have a great rookie and were giddy a few weeks ago. While not much has changed other than wondering why he is not the focal point of the offense in the 4th quarter, we can only hope that improves.

Letter grades and assigning blame is the media's job to dumb it down for us in a way readers can understand.

After a few games of late I look at the knicks as a work in progress that will take a few years to unfold. Yes, A FEW YEARS!!!
We all knew this.

We wanted Rookies. We have them.
We wanted a young developing coach. We have one.
We wanted Phil Jax, we have him building a culture.

That shyt takes time. Years.

So Nalod, it appears as if you are more then satisfied with the putrid output we often see from this team. In your analysis, I see that you acknowledged that we have an improved roster, but you made no mention of the horrendous coaching we are exposed to nights in and nights out. Our starting 5 is one of the slowest in the league; you made no mention of it. When others decide to write about it, you find the temerity to chastise them. What adjustments have you seen from our coaching staff to lead you to believe that after winning just 17 games they can effectively GUIDE this team to prominence??

Need I remind you that less then two years ago we won 50+ games? For you to want the diehard fans to be satisfied with a terrible winning percentage is simply appalling

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Comes a time when a team predicted to win 30-40 games and is on that track and we have to accept that reality.

The Knicks are much improved from last year and enjoyable at times, which means insanely frustrating at times too. Nobody here is really expert enough to help Coach Fisher figure out anymore than his vast coaching staff and mentor. At .500 we might commend him for having the team perhaps play above its heads and ability.

We can glare at the deficit we call our back court but there really is not a quick fix available except what we can hypothetically write about but that has no quantifiable validity. WE can say Fisher is not a good coach, but the team has problems executing.

This fan is just accepting not defeat, but looking at this as another stage of improvement for the knicks. Yes, we are better than last year and have some promising players, but the reality is what it is.

Aflalo is playing like a free agent not many teams coveted and when hot gives the knicks a great chance to win. Jose is playing well, for a backup. Problem is he is our best PG. bringing in new Dleague guys to learn the system and players at that position mid season is not as easy as typing it. I don't have a magic trade or any better ideas for a quick fix.

Its obvious the knicks are not fully set with our group of centers and the right combinations that are most effective. We paid market price and upgraded the front line greatly over last year. KP is ahead of schedule but still a work in progress. Knicks did not know what they had in KP either so they are figuring things out on the fly. It happens.

The future is not so easy near term. One can hope Our eurostash can contribute next year as we don't have a 1st round pick. Gallo and Grant need to improve, and they should. That does not mean they can't take steps backwards. They do and they will.

Knicks need to think about a future with or without Melo as does Melo need to think about his as well. He is playing well and a fan favorite but not able to carry this team to the playoffs. He is a trade asset that can help us reset the franchise.

That said its not entirely out of the question the team can have a mid year growth spurt and improve with what we have. This is what I hoped for as the season progressed. Knicks record is about what I expected. Its about what 75% of you expected based on Martins "record predictor"

Did you expect the team would win about 30-40 games and you'd be in love with the coach? Our back court? We all read tales how difficult running the triangle is with a great roster. Why should be think it be easy with what we got? We had hoped Melo would round out his game, and he has. Should we not be estatic? WE have a great rookie and were giddy a few weeks ago. While not much has changed other than wondering why he is not the focal point of the offense in the 4th quarter, we can only hope that improves.

Letter grades and assigning blame is the media's job to dumb it down for us in a way readers can understand.

After a few games of late I look at the knicks as a work in progress that will take a few years to unfold. Yes, A FEW YEARS!!!
We all knew this.

We wanted Rookies. We have them.
We wanted a young developing coach. We have one.
We wanted Phil Jax, we have him building a culture.

That shyt takes time. Years.

So Nalod, it appears as if you are more then satisfied with the putrid output we often see from this team. In your analysis, I see that you acknowledged that we have an improved roster, but you made no mention of the horrendous coaching we are exposed to nights in and nights out. Our starting 5 is one of the slowest in the league; you made no mention of it. When others decide to write about it, you find the temerity to chastise them. What adjustments have you seen from our coaching staff to lead you to believe that after winning just 17 games they can effectively GUIDE this team to prominence??

Need I remind you that less then two years ago we won 50+ games? For you to want the diehard fans to be satisfied with a terrible winning percentage is simply appalling

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martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Nice we paid Lopez $14mil to win 20 games!

At least when we paid Tyson $14mil we won 54 games!

Lopez getting $13m this year in an offseason where salaries were inflated. So that's like $9-11m for the same $14m Tyson got 3 years ago. Nice.

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Comes a time when a team predicted to win 30-40 games and is on that track and we have to accept that reality.

The Knicks are much improved from last year and enjoyable at times, which means insanely frustrating at times too. Nobody here is really expert enough to help Coach Fisher figure out anymore than his vast coaching staff and mentor. At .500 we might commend him for having the team perhaps play above its heads and ability.

We can glare at the deficit we call our back court but there really is not a quick fix available except what we can hypothetically write about but that has no quantifiable validity. WE can say Fisher is not a good coach, but the team has problems executing.

This fan is just accepting not defeat, but looking at this as another stage of improvement for the knicks. Yes, we are better than last year and have some promising players, but the reality is what it is.

Aflalo is playing like a free agent not many teams coveted and when hot gives the knicks a great chance to win. Jose is playing well, for a backup. Problem is he is our best PG. bringing in new Dleague guys to learn the system and players at that position mid season is not as easy as typing it. I don't have a magic trade or any better ideas for a quick fix.

Its obvious the knicks are not fully set with our group of centers and the right combinations that are most effective. We paid market price and upgraded the front line greatly over last year. KP is ahead of schedule but still a work in progress. Knicks did not know what they had in KP either so they are figuring things out on the fly. It happens.

The future is not so easy near term. One can hope Our eurostash can contribute next year as we don't have a 1st round pick. Gallo and Grant need to improve, and they should. That does not mean they can't take steps backwards. They do and they will.

Knicks need to think about a future with or without Melo as does Melo need to think about his as well. He is playing well and a fan favorite but not able to carry this team to the playoffs. He is a trade asset that can help us reset the franchise.

That said its not entirely out of the question the team can have a mid year growth spurt and improve with what we have. This is what I hoped for as the season progressed. Knicks record is about what I expected. Its about what 75% of you expected based on Martins "record predictor"

Did you expect the team would win about 30-40 games and you'd be in love with the coach? Our back court? We all read tales how difficult running the triangle is with a great roster. Why should be think it be easy with what we got? We had hoped Melo would round out his game, and he has. Should we not be estatic? WE have a great rookie and were giddy a few weeks ago. While not much has changed other than wondering why he is not the focal point of the offense in the 4th quarter, we can only hope that improves.

Letter grades and assigning blame is the media's job to dumb it down for us in a way readers can understand.

After a few games of late I look at the knicks as a work in progress that will take a few years to unfold. Yes, A FEW YEARS!!!
We all knew this.

We wanted Rookies. We have them.
We wanted a young developing coach. We have one.
We wanted Phil Jax, we have him building a culture.

That shyt takes time. Years.

So Nalod, it appears as if you are more then satisfied with the putrid output we often see from this team. In your analysis, I see that you acknowledged that we have an improved roster, but you made no mention of the horrendous coaching we are exposed to nights in and nights out. Our starting 5 is one of the slowest in the league; you made no mention of it. When others decide to write about it, you find the temerity to chastise them. What adjustments have you seen from our coaching staff to lead you to believe that after winning just 17 games they can effectively GUIDE this team to prominence??

Need I remind you that less then two years ago we won 50+ games? For you to want the diehard fans to be satisfied with a terrible winning percentage is simply appalling

Won 54 games with great start due to Rasheed and Kidd. Woodson did a great job. Kurt thomas was great, and then what? We made it to the second round, but not beyond.

Then we won 37 games the next year. Woodson fired.

Did Fisher take over a team on the rise? or one in decline?

Do I want Diehard fans to be satisfied? No, I want to share my perspective. NY fans are called impatient and we are told knicks can't rebuild because fans won't tolerate it.

You can't quantify the effect of coaching on a team that has had so many variables. Team goes from 17-65 to 14-18. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Your logic about two years removed from 54 wins is not correlated to any logic that validates your point.