bigbasketballs wrote:blkexec wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:blkexec wrote:I'm still waiting for the day when we can go up by 20 at half.....and win for 20. Thats when you know we have improved.....
Going from 17 wins to 13-15 before Christmas is a pretty airtight mathematical case.
That 17 win season is not a good measuring stick for success, because it doesn't represent our true value. Phil stripped the team from it's talents, and only used D league players as their replacement. If Phil kept the same players (JR, Shump, Tyson Chandler, etc....) we would've won more than 17 games. So don't except mediocre as a pass. When you have a 20 pt lead, only bad teams should be worried about losing.....And we almost lost that game yesterday. So right now, we are playing like an 11th place team. Hopefully a few trades or additions this year would help push us into the playoffs. But using 17 wins as a measuring stick is getting old. Now if we were Philly, and picked up OK4 in the draft, and only had 1 win, then thats a problem. And next year they can use that as a measuring stick, because nobody traded away their entire roster like Phil did with us. Thats who they really are.....A 1 and whatever team.....on their way to a 17 win or less season!
The true ceiling of this team is an unknown. Trying to measure their current record against any but the empirical past is a purely subjective exercise.
This is a brand new team of unknown capacity playing their first 30 games. As note elsewhere, the 2014-15 Cavaliers were 19-20 once.
But that said, they may well be an 11th place team. Who is to say otherwise
And they didn't almost lose yesterday. They had no less than a 3 point lead with possession with the shot clock turned off.
On most nights, the team losing will be extremely fortunate to get to OT and that's rare.
i have thought from the beginning that, starting this year, jackson and fisher have a two-year arc of developing this team. he folds that notion in to many of his postgames. ordinarily, teams who have had a core together for a while look to 25 games to gel properly as a rotation.
the knicks have not had either, of course. so it stands to reason that if it's a two-year narrative (my take only) then you really have to look at game 50 (25x2) to get a good notion of what the team is and where it will trend.
the wild card remains, happily, kp6. but just as important, is which melo comes to play.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%