Fish did one of his best jobs with the rotation. It started off bad but he did the right thing after starting with the dreaded slow lineup.

Fish subbed in Gallo for Jose with about 5 minutes left in the 1st and then LT and KOQ came in with about 3 minutes left. Sasha came in with 1 minute left in the 1st.

Fish started the 2nd qtr with Gallo, Sasha, LT, DWill and KOQ. With 7 Minutes left in the 2nd Fish had Gallo, Afflalo, Melo, DWill and KP in the game. Fish has to refine this style of Lineups going forward. IMO it made a HUGE difference.

In the 3rd Qtr Fish was a bit shaky IMO. He subbed KOQ for KP with 4:39 left and then Gallo for Afflalo with 3:24 left. LT subs for RoLo with 1:46 left and finally subs Afflalo for Jose with 1:15 left in the 3rd. I think this was his worst qtr sub pattern.

4th Qtr he has Gallo, Afflalo, LT, DWill and KOQ in there. This group gets us our 1st lead at 93-92 with 7 minutes left. Melo comes in for DWill and we never surrender the lead from then on.

Another key factor was that with the quicker lineups we got better D and then got out on the break and pushed the ball most every time down. This is what Fish has wanted the team to do, but I think he had too many slow lineups out there and if he sticks with this type of rotation where he has quicker lineups out there they will run more often IMO.

It's not just running but pushing the ball and looking to score rather than looking to only set up the half court offense. I've said since day one that they only need to pull the ball out and set up the half court if there's no early scoring opportunity. They needed to play aggressive early in the shot clock. Then even when they do set up the Triangle they can't get locked into only feeding the strong side Triangle and packing in the spacing.

This article showed how the Knicks got some open 3's out of the Triangle, but using the Pinch Post 2 Man game to set it up.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/12/13/10035204/lets-watch-the-knicks-get-a-corner-three-with-some-triangle

Fisher mentioned that Rolo was having a problem in the triangle because nobody was making the right cuts. Maybe ... but still not sure I want to see that. We still saw many of those sets last night but they were just not as broken or ill run.

Love Afflalo's bounce pass last night on the break, seems like we never ever see that especially from Afflalo who rarely passes at all. Great to see them run. I have been watching closely and Jose rarely every runs any close to full speed in transition. That is not going to work if we want/need to play fast. Interesting but if you look at the melo fling at the end of the Sacramento, you can even see on that play how nonchalant jose was getting to his spot. Strange. We need Gallo to be able to run some point but he really really needs to figure out how to utilize screens first. Grant just ain't ready but I still hope to see him 10 mins per. Need to get our kids involved even if it means losses. Wins and losses are secondary this season in my opinion as long as we are not bad enough to have to stomach a bargs kick in the nuts again if toronto gets a really good pick/player.

Dwil looked good last night but it seems that its really hit or miss with him as to which mental game he brings or if he brings one at all. We can really use good dwil if we want to play fast and he can really hit that corner three.

Koq looked amped last night. I am really happy that fisher sat him. Our bigs really have to know that stupid shots and non-passing are/is not acceptable. Seraphin not needs to learn. He can look good one game and make 10 bonehead plays the next with a bunch of inefficient chucks. Can't allow such play.

KP really is not gonna get off on nights that Melo gets hot. This is fine for now but I hope that evens out as he gets more experience.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:good read. Interesting about the dribblers having to stay really tight on the screeners. I mentioned the other day that Langston does a terrible job at staying really tight. He does not seem to know how to correctly use a screen and when that happens then not only is the screen worthless but it messes everything up.

Fisher mentioned that Rolo was having a problem in the triangle because nobody was making the right cuts. Maybe ... but still not sure I want to see that. We still saw many of those sets last night but they were just not as broken or ill run.

Love Afflalo's bounce pass last night on the break, seems like we never ever see that especially from Afflalo who rarely passes at all. Great to see them run. I have been watching closely and Jose rarely every runs any close to full speed in transition. That is not going to work if we want/need to play fast. Interesting but if you look at the melo fling at the end of the Sacramento, you can even see on that play how nonchalant jose was getting to his spot. Strange. We need Gallo to be able to run some point but he really really needs to figure out how to utilize screens first. Grant just ain't ready but I still hope to see him 10 mins per. Need to get our kids involved even if it means losses. Wins and losses are secondary this season in my opinion as long as we are not bad enough to have to stomach a bargs kick in the nuts again if toronto gets a really good pick/player.

Dwil looked good last night but it seems that its really hit or miss with him as to which mental game he brings or if he brings one at all. We can really use good dwil if we want to play fast and he can really hit that corner three.

Koq looked amped last night. I am really happy that fisher sat him. Our bigs really have to know that stupid shots and non-passing are/is not acceptable. Seraphin not needs to learn. He can look good one game and make 10 bonehead plays the next with a bunch of inefficient chucks. Can't allow such play.

KP really is not gonna get off on nights that Melo gets hot. This is fine for now but I hope that evens out as he gets more experience.

I am not sure what this in reference to. KP did not have a good game. I don't think he has many games where he goes 0-8 like last night but I don't think Melo going off had any bearing on KP's poor performance. If anything it seemed like Melo was trying to help him just before the start of the third quarter. I do think if KP and Jose have games like last night Melo or someone else(?) will have to go off if the Knicks are going to get a win.

It was not a knock on melo but more of a knock on KP. Right now if KP does not get off with a number of looks, he will have a hard time getting into the game. Once Melo gets hot (or anyone else), Kp's touches will be reduced and he sort of gets taken out of the game in his head. Veterans can not get the ball or not hit shots and still are always engaged. Rookies have a harder time with that.

He only took six shots and he looks to force sometimes especially when he does not get many opportunities.

nixluva wrote:The last game was a roadmap to the way this team should be executing on offense and how Fish needs to set his lineups. For one thing the Knicks finally went away from too many forced Side Triangle feeds into RoLo in the post. This has been a HUGE part of the stagnation of the offense. RoLo setting up in the Post in the Side Triangle should Never have meant they had to keep feeding him every time. He's there mostly for the spacing, which is to overload one side of the floor leaving the other side open with a 2 man game! This game they focused on the Weakside 2 man game.

Fish did one of his best jobs with the rotation. It started off bad but he did the right thing after starting with the dreaded slow lineup.

Fish subbed in Gallo for Jose with about 5 minutes left in the 1st and then LT and KOQ came in with about 3 minutes left. Sasha came in with 1 minute left in the 1st.

Fish started the 2nd qtr with Gallo, Sasha, LT, DWill and KOQ. With 7 Minutes left in the 2nd Fish had Gallo, Afflalo, Melo, DWill and KP in the game. Fish has to refine this style of Lineups going forward. IMO it made a HUGE difference.

In the 3rd Qtr Fish was a bit shaky IMO. He subbed KOQ for KP with 4:39 left and then Gallo for Afflalo with 3:24 left. LT subs for RoLo with 1:46 left and finally subs Afflalo for Jose with 1:15 left in the 3rd. I think this was his worst qtr sub pattern.

4th Qtr he has Gallo, Afflalo, LT, DWill and KOQ in there. This group gets us our 1st lead at 93-92 with 7 minutes left. Melo comes in for DWill and we never surrender the lead from then on.

Another key factor was that with the quicker lineups we got better D and then got out on the break and pushed the ball most every time down. This is what Fish has wanted the team to do, but I think he had too many slow lineups out there and if he sticks with this type of rotation where he has quicker lineups out there they will run more often IMO.

It's not just running but pushing the ball and looking to score rather than looking to only set up the half court offense. I've said since day one that they only need to pull the ball out and set up the half court if there's no early scoring opportunity. They needed to play aggressive early in the shot clock. Then even when they do set up the Triangle they can't get locked into only feeding the strong side Triangle and packing in the spacing.

This article showed how the Knicks got some open 3's out of the Triangle, but using the Pinch Post 2 Man game to set it up.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/12/13/10035204/lets-watch-the-knicks-get-a-corner-three-with-some-triangle

These plays are always going to be there in the triangle, the problem i have is that when teams recognize it in the second half, we still continue to run it with no adjustments, and no one on this team is experience enough to recognize option 3 and 4, and then we become slow and predictable. Portland is a poor defense team, and they made it easy on the knicks by running everything through 2 PG's that combine for just 5 assist, and took a host of suspect shots.

There are 4 reason we win games

Defend the 3 really well
Play uptempo every chance we get
Make a few 3's of our own, like 8 or better
Tighten the rotation.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The last game was a roadmap to the way this team should be executing on offense and how Fish needs to set his lineups. For one thing the Knicks finally went away from too many forced Side Triangle feeds into RoLo in the post. This has been a HUGE part of the stagnation of the offense. RoLo setting up in the Post in the Side Triangle should Never have meant they had to keep feeding him every time. He's there mostly for the spacing, which is to overload one side of the floor leaving the other side open with a 2 man game! This game they focused on the Weakside 2 man game.

Fish did one of his best jobs with the rotation. It started off bad but he did the right thing after starting with the dreaded slow lineup.

Fish subbed in Gallo for Jose with about 5 minutes left in the 1st and then LT and KOQ came in with about 3 minutes left. Sasha came in with 1 minute left in the 1st.

Fish started the 2nd qtr with Gallo, Sasha, LT, DWill and KOQ. With 7 Minutes left in the 2nd Fish had Gallo, Afflalo, Melo, DWill and KP in the game. Fish has to refine this style of Lineups going forward. IMO it made a HUGE difference.

In the 3rd Qtr Fish was a bit shaky IMO. He subbed KOQ for KP with 4:39 left and then Gallo for Afflalo with 3:24 left. LT subs for RoLo with 1:46 left and finally subs Afflalo for Jose with 1:15 left in the 3rd. I think this was his worst qtr sub pattern.

4th Qtr he has Gallo, Afflalo, LT, DWill and KOQ in there. This group gets us our 1st lead at 93-92 with 7 minutes left. Melo comes in for DWill and we never surrender the lead from then on.

Another key factor was that with the quicker lineups we got better D and then got out on the break and pushed the ball most every time down. This is what Fish has wanted the team to do, but I think he had too many slow lineups out there and if he sticks with this type of rotation where he has quicker lineups out there they will run more often IMO.

It's not just running but pushing the ball and looking to score rather than looking to only set up the half court offense. I've said since day one that they only need to pull the ball out and set up the half court if there's no early scoring opportunity. They needed to play aggressive early in the shot clock. Then even when they do set up the Triangle they can't get locked into only feeding the strong side Triangle and packing in the spacing.

This article showed how the Knicks got some open 3's out of the Triangle, but using the Pinch Post 2 Man game to set it up.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/12/13/10035204/lets-watch-the-knicks-get-a-corner-three-with-some-triangle

These plays are always going to be there in the triangle, the problem i have is that when teams recognize it in the second half, we still continue to run it with no adjustments, and no one on this team is experience enough to recognize option 3 and 4, and then we become slow and predictable. Portland is a poor defense team, and they made it easy on the knicks by running everything through 2 PG's that combine for just 5 assist, and took a host of suspect shots.

There are 4 reason we win games

Defend the 3 really well
Play uptempo every chance we get
Make a few 3's of our own, like 8 or better
Tighten the rotation.

For example the change to making more use of the Pinch Post and keeping greater spacing would work against any defense. The reason being that you have 3 players in their defense occupied on one side of the floor well away from the 2 man game on the other side of the floor. That distance makes it extremely hard for the defense to help. Especially if the guard attacks at full speed or Melo can isolate on a mismatch as he did. Also the other players have to move out behind the 3pt line and present themselves as targets. Thus creating more distance for defenders to travel and more space to operate inside.

The simple truth is that if this team can maintain what they did right in this game it will help them to win games. So yes Fish has to not so much tighten the rotation as make sure his actual LINEUPS are better. It wasn't because of a tight rotation but rather that he had the RIGHT PLAYERS on the floor together for more of the game. That's why I posted the lineups as a I did. Jose only played 2 minutes!!! That's a very good thing IMO.

Knicks1969 wrote:There are a couple of dudes on the roster that we can allo to make one or two mistakes in the game without having them in the doghouse: KP, Carmelo, KO, and Lance. Those dudes at least can do other things to make up for their mistakes. KO is a force when he is on the floor. He fouls hard and forces the opposing team to think twice when they approach the paint. He should be allowed to shoot a three here and there; if he makes it, good. If not, no one needs to be getting on him for the shot. KO is the only vocal dude we have on the roster. I see Jose doing a lot of talking, but when you can't back it up on defense, those words don't really mean a Danm.

It has taken a bit longer than I would hope for Fish to figure out which players allow the team to lay the way he wants. He's said since camp that he wants the team to play faster this year but his lineups have not allowed the team to play fast. Not when we start Jose, RoLo and Melo and then when he was bringing in Seraphin that had the effect of making the team too half court in nature.

Fish simply must give more minutes to his quicker and more energetic players. These guys want to get out and run and hustle on D. If Fish can get better at setting his lineups and subs it's possible this team can make a massive improvement on offense. Rather than struggling to get to 90 we can actually score 100 with a faster pace and more easy baskets.

DWill has been underrated in terms of his ability to push the ball up court. He's not just a wing runner cut can actually handle the ball enough to start a break. Another thing he does is to attack the D before it's set. Not every player we have can attack the defense in this way. Fish will complete the transition away from slow ball when he gets Jerian back in the mix and maybe a little Cleanthony down the line too. Right now Gallo, LT, DWill, KOQ and Jerian are guys we must get more minutes. Then we can limit Jose's minutes.