Jerian has spent the most time with the same players coming off the bench. IMO he hasn't played enough with KP!!! That could be impacting his game too. I think Jerian should be spending a LOT more time with KP so that they can work together and develop chemistry. Their games complement each other and Jerian was drafted as an option to play with KP IMO. Jerian is an excellent PnR PG and can work any style of 2 man game, whether Drag Screen or Give n Go.

Where are all the Jerian to KP highlights??? One reason you don't see any is the strange fact that they've barely been on the floor together! I want Fish to change his approach cuz I don't understand why Jerian and KP have only played a total of 17 minutes together this season!!!

KP has spent a HUGE amount of his minutes this season out there with Jose Calderon. That combo doesn't really help KP IMO. Jose doesn't use screens or penetrate and that also means there are less opportunities for KP. Jose means less plays involving PG and KP in a 2man game!!! I think Playing Jerian and KP would help BOTH players. This is a HUGE issue that Fish needs to address.

Rk	Lineup	                                                           MP	        FG	PF
1	A. Afflalo | C. Anthony | J. Calderon | R. Lopez | K. Porzingis	   255:44	+1.0	+1.6
2	C. Anthony | J. Calderon | R. Lopez | K. Porzingis | S. Vujacic	   113:03	-2.0	+4.9
3	L. Galloway | J. Grant | K. Seraphin | L. Thomas | D. Williams	   76:32	-5.7	+0.9
4	L. Galloway | J. Grant | K. O'Quinn | L. Thomas | D. Williams	   67:02	-5.8	-1.5
5	C. Anthony | J. Calderon | L. Galloway | R. Lopez | K. Porzingis   28:55	+10.4	+5.6
6	C. Anthony | L. Galloway | J. Grant | K. Seraphin | L. Thomas	   26:27	+9.9	-2.0
7	A. Afflalo | J. Calderon | R. Lopez | K. Porzingis | L. Thomas	   25:31	 0.0	+2.2
8	A. Afflalo | C. Anthony | J. Calderon | L. Galloway | K. Porzingis 24:25	-3.5	+1.1
9	L. Amundson | L. Galloway | J. Grant | L. Thomas | D. Williams	   20:49	-6.2	-4.6
10	A. Afflalo | C. Anthony | J. Calderon | K. Porzingis | L. Thomas   18:29	+2.6	+5.3
11	C. Anthony | L. Galloway | J. Grant | R. Lopez | K. Porzingis	   17:24	+11.8	-2.9
12	C. Anthony | L. Galloway | J. Grant | K. O'Quinn | L. Thomas	   13:10	-5.6	-9.4
13	A. Afflalo | J. Calderon | K. Porzingis | K. Seraphin | L. Thomas  12:15	+5.0	+7.5
14	A. Afflalo | C. Anthony | J. Calderon | R. Lopez | L. Thomas	   11:06	-15.2	-2.0
15	L. Galloway | K. O'Quinn | L. Thomas | S. Vujacic | D. Williams	   11:05	-20.0	+2.0
16	C. Anthony | J. Calderon | L. Galloway | R. Lopez | L. Thomas	    9:37	-14.3	+2.7
17	L. Galloway | J. Grant | R. Lopez | L. Thomas | D. Williams	    9:31	+24.2	 0.0
18	A. Afflalo | C. Anthony | J. Calderon | K. Seraphin | L. Thomas	    8:59	-11.8	+2.9
19	L. Amundson | L. Galloway | J. Grant | K. O'Quinn | L. Thomas	    8:48	+27.9	+18.9
20	L. Galloway | J. Grant | K. O'Quinn | K. Seraphin | L. Thomas	    8:26	-15.9	-3.6

One of my oldest principles of a good team is having strength up the middle of your team. The PG and C combination is HUGE. You usually start your team with 2 good players at those spots and your good. It could also be Guard PF but that isn't what is important. A PG and a Big combo can be huge. Jose and KP doesn't work at all. Somehow we need to get Jerian and KP going as a tandem. That's the present and future right there.

The new Stockton t Malone, Payton to Kemp, Action Jackson to Patrick Ewing....but alas Fisher is a complete retard (no offense to the retards).

Grant to KP in that second unit would've been show time. And guess who would've finished most games.....Grant and KP!

But everybody killed me for that....KP is our future star, who needs to learn how to play like a top star.....instead of playing under Melo's shadow.

blkexec wrote:This is why I said KP shouldn't have been in the starting lineup. If they want to start Calderon to pair a veteran PG with Melo, fine.

Grant to KP in that second unit would've been show time. And guess who would've finished most games.....Grant and KP!

But everybody killed me for that....KP is our future star, who needs to learn how to play like a top star.....instead of playing under Melo's shadow.

Rather than move KP to the bench I called for Jerian to start. I felt Jerian could do it if he was given a chance and he's never been put in that situation. Playing with KP, Melo and Afflalo would help Jerian much more than some think. A TON of his passes get wasted only playing with the bench guys!!!

I would definitely like to see this combo. Jerian pushing up the floor for possible quick PnR, etc. You'd see guys running with him for sure.

they had some good chemistry in the SL with a fast tempo (KP with those lefty baby hooks!)

Also his driving would be so much more effective than they are now where he tries to go in on an already crowded lane.

And, he might be one of those guys that if he gets some easy buckets in transition and gets his teammates involved then his shot starts falling. Right now he's pressing

blkexec wrote:This is why I said KP shouldn't have been in the starting lineup. If they want to start Calderon to pair a veteran PG with Melo, fine.

Grant to KP in that second unit would've been show time. And guess who would've finished most games.....Grant and KP!

But everybody killed me for that....KP is our future star, who needs to learn how to play like a top star.....instead of playing under Melo's shadow.

For long term grown of KP, regardless of short term wins, you still want KP off the bench? I'm not in that boat

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This is why I said KP shouldn't have been in the starting lineup. If they want to start Calderon to pair a veteran PG with Melo, fine.

Grant to KP in that second unit would've been show time. And guess who would've finished most games.....Grant and KP!

But everybody killed me for that....KP is our future star, who needs to learn how to play like a top star.....instead of playing under Melo's shadow.

For long term grown of KP, regardless of short term wins, you still want KP off the bench? I'm not in that boat

Is there any doubt around here that Porzingis is the franchise building block for the Knicks? He's proven he can play a secondary role as a starter. You can make a case that he's being overlooked too many times on the first unit.

Team politics will not allow him to become the alpha male if he is paired with Anthony, and he is always going to defer to Anthony when they are on the court together at this time. Giving both him and Grant time together on the floor without Anthony might be best for their development, especially if the losing continues.

WaltLongmire wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This is why I said KP shouldn't have been in the starting lineup. If they want to start Calderon to pair a veteran PG with Melo, fine.

Grant to KP in that second unit would've been show time. And guess who would've finished most games.....Grant and KP!

But everybody killed me for that....KP is our future star, who needs to learn how to play like a top star.....instead of playing under Melo's shadow.

For long term grown of KP, regardless of short term wins, you still want KP off the bench? I'm not in that boat

Its an interesting idea, though- might give him more freedom on the offensive end, and it could help Grant out.

Is there any doubt around here that Porzingis is the franchise building block for the Knicks? He's proven he can play a secondary role as a starter. You can make a case that he's being overlooked too many times on the first unit.

Team politics will not allow him to become the alpha male if he is paired with Anthony, and he is always going to defer to Anthony when they are on the court together at this time. Giving both him and Grant time together on the floor without Anthony might be best for their development, especially if the losing continues.

There's a stat out there that Melo shoots 47% with KP on the floor and 33% with KP off the floor. I think you can make the case that both help the other. They are clearly our best two players. They complement one another both skill-wise and the spots they like on the floor.

Two guys who may not make sense together? Afflalo and Melo.

Afflalo has shown to be devastating in the low post posting smaller guards when Melo is not in the game. But that's the same spot Melo gets the ball in this offense.

I would like to see a rotation where Afflalo becomes the featured player on offense when Melo sits. I think it would help his effectiveness and bring some stability to the bench unit. I'm not saying send Afflalo to the bench, but I would like to see him get some minutes when Melo sits.

blkexec wrote:This is why I said KP shouldn't have been in the starting lineup. If they want to start Calderon to pair a veteran PG with Melo, fine.

Grant to KP in that second unit would've been show time. And guess who would've finished most games.....Grant and KP!

But everybody killed me for that....KP is our future star, who needs to learn how to play like a top star.....instead of playing under Melo's shadow.

It was ridiculous when you 1st said it and it still is ridiculous. You don't put your best player on the bench. You would actually be limiting KP's minutes by starting him on the bench. Good pick up Nix about Grant and KP. Need to see more of them together which is by playing Grant more with the 1st team. Not sure about starting him but 1st guard off the bench to sub either Afflalo or caldron depending how each is doing.

With Jerian, KP, Melo and Afflalo I think it boosts Jerian's confidence to see his passes lead to scores. Jerian would not ignore or not see KP if he's open. He's shown that he has good court vision. If KP spent a lot of time working with Jerian they could develop chemistry and it would make a HUGE difference for this team. Jose has nothing in the tank in terms of a 2 man game with KP. Jerian may not be the jump shooting threat yet but perhaps it would help him to be out there with better talent and less attention from the defense. As quick as he is that might give him more openings to attack the rim.

I just wonder when we will get to see Jerian and KP for significant minutes. So far it's been next to NOTHING! I mean 17 total minutes with Jerian and KP on the floor together is insanely low. Meanwhile Jose and KP have been on the floor together for 434 minutes!!! Maybe KP could get some passes that aren't at his hips or behind him.

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This is why I said KP shouldn't have been in the starting lineup. If they want to start Calderon to pair a veteran PG with Melo, fine.

Grant to KP in that second unit would've been show time. And guess who would've finished most games.....Grant and KP!

But everybody killed me for that....KP is our future star, who needs to learn how to play like a top star.....instead of playing under Melo's shadow.

For long term grown of KP, regardless of short term wins, you still want KP off the bench? I'm not in that boat

Its an interesting idea, though- might give him more freedom on the offensive end, and it could help Grant out.

Is there any doubt around here that Porzingis is the franchise building block for the Knicks? He's proven he can play a secondary role as a starter. You can make a case that he's being overlooked too many times on the first unit.

Team politics will not allow him to become the alpha male if he is paired with Anthony, and he is always going to defer to Anthony when they are on the court together at this time. Giving both him and Grant time together on the floor without Anthony might be best for their development, especially if the losing continues.

Point taken. On the other hand, I want KP to go head-to-head with each of the opponent's best, see what he's got and let him figure where he needs to get better. He's demanded the ball in the last minute shot where he saw an opportunity once, he's gonna demand to be in Rolo's offense spot soon and then demand Alpha dog over Melo soon after that. As coach that would be my highest priority. I wouldn't give it to him but I would certainly facilitate it (starting role) where I could.

I like the fact that he has faced so many top flight players because you know- success or failure- he is learning as he goes along.

I do have an issue with the fact that he is overlooked so many times when he's put himself into a good position for the ball. Not only is this kind of thing frustrating for KP (or any player), but it also leads to a lack of movement on offense...almost a kind of apathy.