That's the type of creativity and leadership we are missing at the PG slot, imho.

We play the Kings on Thursday and I expect them to blow the doors off us, especially since it is a TNT game.

I think this is an example of the system holding this team back. I can easily picture a system in which Rondo penetrates to create shots for KP, Melo, Afflalo, etc - that system may not be the Triangle, but it is easy to envision a winning basketball team.---

Would have much rather given Rondo $10M than Rolo. Or we could have used the $10.2M we spent on DWill, KOQ and Amundson.

Anyway, Rondo will be an FA again next season and we still desperately need a PG. I hope Phil is open to signing some guys who don't necessarily fit exactly into his vision for his system. The great ones always adapt their systems to the talent they have.

crzymdups wrote:I coveted this guy this summer and man he is playing out of his mind right now. Imagine Rondo setting up KP and Melo?

That's the type of creativity and leadership we are missing at the PG slot, imho.

We play the Kings on Thursday and I expect them to blow the doors off us, especially since it is a TNT game.

I think this is an example of the system holding this team back. I can easily picture a system in which Rondo penetrates to create shots for KP, Melo, Afflalo, etc - that system may not be the Triangle, but it is easy to envision a winning basketball team.---

Would have much rather given Rondo $10M than Rolo. Or we could have used the $10.2M we spent on DWill, KOQ and Amundson.

Anyway, Rondo will be an FA again next season and we still desperately need a PG. I hope Phil is open to signing some guys who don't necessarily fit exactly into his vision for his system. The great ones always adapt their systems to the talent they have.

at one level, I totally agree - I've seen highlights of him making passes that are simply amazing. And if he were here instead of Lopez- or for that matter Derek Williams & KOQ who aren't even playing right now, I have to image we'd be over 500 and right there for the lead in our division.

But then part of me realizes that Rondo wouldn't find a welcoming fit here with Fisher & our system, and he'd probably be miserable and doing horribly statistically and people would be killing us for wanting him here.

Really well thought out post.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:I get the premis of the thread, but there was no way anyone knew KP would be a starter and fringe all star this year. I also think Lopez is helping KP's development. In fact I have no doubt. Its frustrating because we are seeing some pieces we didnt think we have so the natural desire is max out what we have and build around it. Patience... that being said he turns 30 in Feb and is a free agent. Not an unrealistic target.

I agree that Rolo is helping KP's development and helps him out immensely on the boards. I agree patience is the correct approach.

My frustration is more that a player like Rondo would never even be considered because he doesn't fit the system here... even though he might actually fit really well next to the players we have here. I didn't like when we were limited to chasing players who only fit D'Antoni's system and I don't like only chasing players who fit the Triangle. I question whether the Triangle is the best fit for Melo or KP. A spread offense with a lot of pick and roll would seem to benefit both - we've already seen how good Melo looked in a spread offense from 2012-4 with the right personnel. And I think a Rondo/KP pick and roll/pop game would be devastating.

I hear you on patience - but I think everyone, Melo included, can see that we have to build for the future with KP... though there's also something to be said for building a good team for the next few years of KP and Melo together.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:I get the premis of the thread, but there was no way anyone knew KP would be a starter and fringe all star this year. I also think Lopez is helping KP's development. In fact I have no doubt. Its frustrating because we are seeing some pieces we didnt think we have so the natural desire is max out what we have and build around it. Patience... that being said he turns 30 in Feb and is a free agent. Not an unrealistic target.

I agree that Rolo is helping KP's development and helps him out immensely on the boards. I agree patience is the correct approach.

My frustration is more that a player like Rondo would never even be considered because he doesn't fit the system here... even though he might actually fit really well next to the players we have here. I didn't like when we were limited to chasing players who only fit D'Antoni's system and I don't like only chasing players who fit the Triangle. I question whether the Triangle is the best fit for Melo or KP. A spread offense with a lot of pick and roll would seem to benefit both - we've already seen how good Melo looked in a spread offense from 2012-4 with the right personnel. And I think a Rondo/KP pick and roll/pop game would be devastating.

I hear you on patience - but I think everyone, Melo included, can see that we have to build for the future with KP... though there's also something to be said for building a good team for the next few years of KP and Melo together.

the triangle would look like a better fit if Melo wasnt shooting 40%ish. Im not the triangle supported nix is. However when I see the players that have been shipped out as non learners Im ok with that. Some guys are doing well, others not so much. You can see how Fisher has dumbed it down some. I dont understand why we dont see some simple sets like Jose running a P&R with Rolo. Maybe we do and Im just missing it

I'm glad to see a bit of a two man game developing with Melo and KP.

I do think we need a dramatic upgrade at the PG.

Conley would be my main choice, I think he's actually a perfect Triangle PG and he's a gamer and defends. Don't know if he'd ever leave Memphis, he's supposedly BFF with Marc Gasol, but I think he should be the top target.

Rondo was sort of a stop gap solution in my mind to ride out the Melo years with a second star as KP developed slowly. I didn't think KP would be anywhere near 14ppg 9reb.

I do agree that the Triangle would look better if Melo was more on his game... but he's 31 and recovering from knee surgery... we have to face that he may never be quite the way he was pre-surgery. I hurt my knee and it took me years to get my jumper back in pick up games. I could run half marathons just fine, but the explosive jump you need for a jumper... that takes a long time to get back, especially as you get older. I'm sure Melo has good trainers working with him, but he may not get it all the way back.

Anyway, yes, patience. Though Melo's seems to be straining at the moment. I just thought Rondo would've been a good candidate to help Melo out and bring some much needed juice to our backcourt. I don't buy that he's a cancer, he may be too strong a personality for a young coach like Fish though.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:I get the premis of the thread, but there was no way anyone knew KP would be a starter and fringe all star this year. I also think Lopez is helping KP's development. In fact I have no doubt. Its frustrating because we are seeing some pieces we didnt think we have so the natural desire is max out what we have and build around it. Patience... that being said he turns 30 in Feb and is a free agent. Not an unrealistic target.

I agree that Rolo is helping KP's development and helps him out immensely on the boards. I agree patience is the correct approach.

My frustration is more that a player like Rondo would never even be considered because he doesn't fit the system here... even though he might actually fit really well next to the players we have here. I didn't like when we were limited to chasing players who only fit D'Antoni's system and I don't like only chasing players who fit the Triangle. I question whether the Triangle is the best fit for Melo or KP. A spread offense with a lot of pick and roll would seem to benefit both - we've already seen how good Melo looked in a spread offense from 2012-4 with the right personnel. And I think a Rondo/KP pick and roll/pop game would be devastating.

I hear you on patience - but I think everyone, Melo included, can see that we have to build for the future with KP... though there's also something to be said for building a good team for the next few years of KP and Melo together.

the triangle would look like a better fit if Melo wasnt shooting 40%ish. Im not the triangle supported nix is. However when I see the players that have been shipped out as non learners Im ok with that. Some guys are doing well, others not so much. You can see how Fisher has dumbed it down some. I dont understand why we dont see some simple sets like Jose running a P&R with Rolo. Maybe we do and Im just missing it

I'm glad to see a bit of a two man game developing with Melo and KP.

I do think we need a dramatic upgrade at the PG.

Conley would be my main choice, I think he's actually a perfect Triangle PG and he's a gamer and defends. Don't know if he'd ever leave Memphis, he's supposedly BFF with Marc Gasol, but I think he should be the top target.

Rondo was sort of a stop gap solution in my mind to ride out the Melo years with a second star as KP developed slowly. I didn't think KP would be anywhere near 14ppg 9reb.

I do agree that the Triangle would look better if Melo was more on his game... but he's 31 and recovering from knee surgery... we have to face that he may never be quite the way he was pre-surgery. I hurt my knee and it took me years to get my jumper back in pick up games. I could run half marathons just fine, but the explosive jump you need for a jumper... that takes a long time to get back, especially as you get older. I'm sure Melo has good trainers working with him, but he may not get it all the way back.

Anyway, yes, patience. Though Melo's seems to be straining at the moment. I just thought Rondo would've been a good candidate to help Melo out and bring some much needed juice to our backcourt. I don't buy that he's a cancer, he may be too strong a personality for a young coach like Fish though.

he's a cancer when he's not happy... if you can manage his personality you have a dynamic player for sure.

He doesn't seem like his a cancer in Sac, but i Haven't really watched any of their games. I just know that he has a really high IQ on the court, this is a really high IQ system wae run, and can finish around the rim better then calerone, is shooting better then grant, and galloway.

With a 1 yr in experience coach, who lacks the ability to make in game adjustments, rondo can fill a void. I think calderon, KOQ, and Early for rondo & belinelli.

Kp, melo, and afflalo's shots would be that much easier

The One thing that would probably kill this deal, rondo shooting less than 50% from the FT line, thats a game changer, you have to through a few picks for that

Since this is all we got cuz the rest of it is subjective.
Yes rondo can fill that void we have been missing.

We used to call it "StarBury"!

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:a player can't shoot much worse from the field

He's shooting 44.4% which is better than Melo, Jerian Grant, Galloway, Kyle O'Quinn, Seraphin, Derrick Williams and of course Sasha. So he's shooting better than literally half the Knicks team. But ok.

He's also shooting better than James Harden who is shooting 39%.

I look at TS. FG is missing half the game.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:a player can't shoot much worse from the field

He's shooting 44.4% which is better than Melo, Jerian Grant, Galloway, Kyle O'Quinn, Seraphin, Derrick Williams and of course Sasha. So he's shooting better than literally half the Knicks team. But ok.

He's also shooting better than James Harden who is shooting 39%.

I look at TS. FG is missing half the game.

I forgot TS% includes flopping shots . Rondo is an absolutely terrible free throw shooter, too.

and harden is certainly not shooting well this year just way better then rondo.