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GustavBahler
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12/4/2015  10:47 AM
Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?
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12/4/2015  10:53 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?

Lol, way to soon man. Hope this isn't the case with KP, but Ewing missed a bunch of games with knee issues early on. We need to wait at leaSt three years before we make that comparison.

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12/4/2015  10:56 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?

Lol, way to soon man. Hope this isn't the case with KP, but Ewing missed a bunch of games with knee issues early on. We need to wait at leaSt three years before we make that comparison.

Was curious to see some advanced stats (not too advanced lol) to this point just for fun. I agree its too soon to project KP's career against Ewing's.
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12/4/2015  11:02 AM
Porzingis was born August 2 1995, so this is his age 20 season. currently averaging 14 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks.

Ewing was born August 5 1962, so his age 20 season was the 82-83 season. Ewing was a sophomore at Georgetown that year and averaged 18 points 10 rebounds 3 blocks.

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GustavBahler
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12/4/2015  11:07 AM
BigSm00th wrote:Porzingis was born August 2 1995, so this is his age 20 season. currently averaging 14 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks.

Ewing was born August 5 1962, so his age 20 season was the 82-83 season. Ewing was a sophomore at Georgetown that year and averaged 18 points 10 rebounds 3 blocks.

Not really looking for a comparison at the same age but thanks!
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12/4/2015  11:59 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:Porzingis was born August 2 1995, so this is his age 20 season. currently averaging 14 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks.

Ewing was born August 5 1962, so his age 20 season was the 82-83 season. Ewing was a sophomore at Georgetown that year and averaged 18 points 10 rebounds 3 blocks.

Not really looking for a comparison at the same age but thanks!

but its aprospos... Ewing was putting up #s beating up on college kids (he was one of them!). KP spent what would be Ewing's freshman year playing against grown men and seasoned pros in Eu.

I would say that all things being equal at the same age KP is more developed. Most of that is circumstance... Ewing was in a culture where players like him when to the NCAA. KP was in a culture where players like KP went to pro youth leagues and if they were good enough signed by pro mens teams.

Also I recall Ewing's jumper was not great until he was in the NBA a few years when he eventually earned the rep as one of the jump shooting bigs in the league, which was great as that was just another weapon for him (as opposed to categorize him AS a jump shooting big).

Its not a ridiculous comparison. Most of their differences strike me as era-related. Ewing didnt have to guard smaller players 20 feet away. He could plant himself in the paint and patrol all day.

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12/4/2015  12:14 PM
Think we need to relax and enjoy before comparing to HOFers. KP game is closer to a young Raef LaFrentz than Ewing right now
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12/4/2015  12:15 PM
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:Porzingis was born August 2 1995, so this is his age 20 season. currently averaging 14 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks.

Ewing was born August 5 1962, so his age 20 season was the 82-83 season. Ewing was a sophomore at Georgetown that year and averaged 18 points 10 rebounds 3 blocks.

Not really looking for a comparison at the same age but thanks!

but its aprospos... Ewing was putting up #s beating up on college kids (he was one of them!). KP spent what would be Ewing's freshman year playing against grown men and seasoned pros in Eu.

I would say that all things being equal at the same age KP is more developed. Most of that is circumstance... Ewing was in a culture where players like him when to the NCAA. KP was in a culture where players like KP went to pro youth leagues and if they were good enough signed by pro mens teams.

Also I recall Ewing's jumper was not great until he was in the NBA a few years when he eventually earned the rep as one of the jump shooting bigs in the league, which was great as that was just another weapon for him (as opposed to categorize him AS a jump shooting big).

Its not a ridiculous comparison. Most of their differences strike me as era-related. Ewing didnt have to guard smaller players 20 feet away. He could plant himself in the paint and patrol all day.

Thank you, this is what I had in mind. Its funny, although Porzingis played against pros at at an early age, he was also a sub with limited minutes, while Ewing was a starter from day one, I believe.

The level of competition, the Big East, and the NCAA overall at the time was very strong. Look who his peers were back then. Ewing was forced to become a jump shooting big not long after his knees deserted him. It will be interesting to see how they measure up as jump shooting bigs over time. Not that we saw Ewing taking threes like they were mid range jumpers.

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12/4/2015  12:17 PM
meloanyk wrote:Think we need to relax and enjoy before comparing to HOFers. KP game is closer to a young Raef LaFrentz than Ewing right now

Most of us agree that Porzingis is our best shot at a franchise player since Ewing, I agree its too early to project careers, but its interesting to see where they were at the beginning of their respective pro careers since we have nothing else to go on right now.
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12/4/2015  12:20 PM
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:Porzingis was born August 2 1995, so this is his age 20 season. currently averaging 14 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks.

Ewing was born August 5 1962, so his age 20 season was the 82-83 season. Ewing was a sophomore at Georgetown that year and averaged 18 points 10 rebounds 3 blocks.

Not really looking for a comparison at the same age but thanks!

but its aprospos... Ewing was putting up #s beating up on college kids (he was one of them!). KP spent what would be Ewing's freshman year playing against grown men and seasoned pros in Eu.

I would say that all things being equal at the same age KP is more developed. Most of that is circumstance... Ewing was in a culture where players like him when to the NCAA. KP was in a culture where players like KP went to pro youth leagues and if they were good enough signed by pro mens teams.

Also I recall Ewing's jumper was not great until he was in the NBA a few years when he eventually earned the rep as one of the jump shooting bigs in the league, which was great as that was just another weapon for him (as opposed to categorize him AS a jump shooting big).

Its not a ridiculous comparison. Most of their differences strike me as era-related. Ewing didnt have to guard smaller players 20 feet away. He could plant himself in the paint and patrol all day.

KP is a big mans dream. He's what Ewing probably wanted to be. Somebody who can not only score in the post, but from 3 pt range. And somebody who can take two dribbles from the 3 pt line, beat his man off the dribble for a tomahawk dunk.

Ewing is the future for KP. I can see KP turning into a Ewing type after his prime years. KP will be a center type with range, but mainly in the paint as a rim protector. Right now, KP has young legs and his light weight. That will change into a Ewing type game after father time catches up.

Both players are franchise caliber players and well liked by knicks and nba fans. KP is and will be a bigger star due to this international connections. Ewing being part of Georgetown, carried some haters with him due to Georgetowns culture back then. KP really didn't have any haters because he was unknown.

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12/4/2015  12:23 PM
based on their Win Shares per 48, KP is miles better then Ewing in their rookie years.

Ewing ws48 - .084 (not good)
KP - .148 (Excellent)

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/4/2015  12:31 PM
Flame away, but I think- and its early- KP has more upside/talent than Ewing did.

Ewing had a long career, and was a warrior. But he never was a very fluid offensive talent.
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12/4/2015  12:32 PM
mreinman wrote:based on their Win Shares per 48, KP is miles better then Ewing in their rookie years.

Ewing ws48 - .084 (not good)
KP - .148 (Excellent)

Thanks, Ewing ended being ROY, so he was doing something right. I wonder if he would have won it if they had used win shares back then?
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12/4/2015  12:35 PM
franco12 wrote:Flame away, but I think- and its early- KP has more upside/talent than Ewing did.

Ewing had a long career, and was a warrior. But he never was a very fluid offensive talent.

Nothing you said is flame worthy.
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12/4/2015  12:40 PM

Ewing a better athlete, KP far more fundamentally talented. Thompson shielded Ewing from the media, where KP embraces his celebrity status.
Ewing faced racial intolerance in high school and into college while KP had a nice time in Spain for a year. I don't know where he was before.

In college, though, Ewing received the sort of scorn that most players could never imagine. From the Washington Post in February, 1983:


“At Providence nearly a month ago, a fan raised a sign that said, “Ewing Can’t Read,” and Coach John Thompson pulled his Georgetown basketball team off the court until the sign was taken down.

“Nine days ago at the Palestra in Philadelphia, Villanova fans held up several similar signs. One raised bedsheet read, “Ewing Is An Ape.”

During pregame introductions that same day, a banana peel was thrown at the court when Ewing’s name was announced. This was 30 years ago.

Laettner was hated in college but not like Ewing was.

To understand Ewings mistrust of the public is to understand his history both being from Jamaica, playing in High School in Mass, and eventually loved in NY.

KP was booed a bit on draft nite.
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12/4/2015  12:42 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?


20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.

Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.
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12/4/2015  12:49 PM
Nalod wrote:
Ewing a better athlete, KP far more fundamentally talented. Thompson shielded Ewing from the media, where KP embraces his celebrity status.
Ewing faced racial intolerance in high school and into college while KP had a nice time in Spain for a year. I don't know where he was before.

In college, though, Ewing received the sort of scorn that most players could never imagine. From the Washington Post in February, 1983:


“At Providence nearly a month ago, a fan raised a sign that said, “Ewing Can’t Read,” and Coach John Thompson pulled his Georgetown basketball team off the court until the sign was taken down.

“Nine days ago at the Palestra in Philadelphia, Villanova fans held up several similar signs. One raised bedsheet read, “Ewing Is An Ape.”

During pregame introductions that same day, a banana peel was thrown at the court when Ewing’s name was announced. This was 30 years ago.

Laettner was hated in college but not like Ewing was.

To understand Ewings mistrust of the public is to understand his history both being from Jamaica, playing in High School in Mass, and eventually loved in NY.

KP was booed a bit on draft nite.

I remember that, disgusting. Fascinating how different their journey to the NBA has been.
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12/4/2015  12:51 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?


20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.

Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.

As someone who used to travel to DC to watch Ewing play, I'd say Ive watched him plenty. For the sake of conversation, it would be nice if you would elaborate.
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12/4/2015  12:54 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:based on their Win Shares per 48, KP is miles better then Ewing in their rookie years.

Ewing ws48 - .084 (not good)
KP - .148 (Excellent)

Thanks, Ewing ended being ROY, so he was doing something right. I wonder if he would have won it if they had used win shares back then?

I am sure that he could have. These voters don't know sh1t about advanced stats. Wiggins won it last year with a bad WS48 and MCW a couple of years ago.

Rookies tend to have a low WS48 which is why what Towns and KP are doing are so damn amazing.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/4/2015  12:54 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Too soon? Bonn, mreinman, any advanced stats worth sharing?


20 games into his career and KP6 is a smarter b-ball player than Patrick Ewing at retirement.

Anyone disagreeing with this statement didn't watch Pat play enough.

I would absolutely agree with that.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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