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fin89
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12/3/2015  5:03 PM
With both being named the rookie of the month in their respective conference, I think this might be a good time to reflect on these two amazing, young players. First, I'm just thrilled to be having this conversation, but overall which player do you project having more upside.

Towns has a much nicer shot than I previously thought, although I notice he doesn't get much lift sometimes. I won't be surprised if he develops a 3-point shot relatively soon. But, the guy seems as advertised and I think the pre-draft hype lessens the attention he is getting. Towns is young and will continue to develop into a crazy good player.

Everybody expected Porzingis to be a project, but the kid is matching Towns statistics. I don't think anybody saw him becoming a double double machine who averages two blocks. Although Towns edges him athletically, KPs length seems to create huge matchup problems. Being able to block without jumping really makes him a brutal defender. So when KP finally bulks up, will his length leave him with an edge?

Overall, both players look like potential future franchise players in the NBA. But honestly, twenty games is jumping the gun for predictions, but what else is there to talk about? What do the people think? Who got more upside?

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12/3/2015  5:42 PM
No love for OK4...

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12/3/2015  6:01 PM
Towns is a great young talent. I'm sure that he's gonna develop very nicely over the next few years. He's got too much talent not to be successful. I think KP is just as talented and he has the right mentality as well. Both players are gonna be impact players for years to come IMO. Now that we've gotten a chance to see KP in action it's been great to get to see just how good he has been.

I think KP will have a natural advantage due to his size but then adding his skill level and intelligence on top of that he's got tremendous upside. A lot of the game seems to come easy to KP. Towns doesn't really have any size advantage in the NBA. My concern with Towns is the effort level he has had to play with in order to be as effective as he is. I'm not sure he can sustain that level over the course of 82 games season after season. People were worried more about KP's ability to handle the NBA but he's a VERY smart guy and he has found that he doesn't have to overexert himself in order to be effective. He's not always jumping to block shots or rebound. He's not burning himself out so to speak.

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12/3/2015  6:50 PM
Every time I watch Towns I wish we had him with KP. We would be set in the front court for the next 15 years. Towns and KP would be the perfect front court duo.
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12/3/2015  8:25 PM
Both are great young players.

Towns had detractors, too. I've mentioned this before...Saunders supposedly liked OK4 more than Towns, but the rest of his crew wanted Towns.

I've watched some Minny games...but not enough to make a true comparison at this point. I'm one who believes that KP has the higher upside, but Towns is also an intelligent kid who will add to his game.

Both are multifaceted players who have so far been good NBA citizens.

As someone said- it was be great to have both of them, but I'm pretty happy with the "leftover" we picked up at #4.

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12/3/2015  8:54 PM
Porzingis gets everything within the flow of the offense. His defense is very disciplined too. Towns needs the ball to do what he does. He has to work harder for his stats and his defense is based on effort.

Of course Towns is going to get better....but Towns had to develop the poise Kristaps already has. Kristaps has to start looking for the ball. As soon as that happens the sky is the limit.

Things worked out for the best. The way Okafor is going right now and the difference in the games of Towns and Kristaps, we really have the best situation. We really deserve it

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12/4/2015  12:27 PM
right now these 2 are almost identical in their stats which is pretty freaky.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/4/2015  12:53 PM
Defensive IQ is where they are different. This is Towns weakness and KP's strength. This is what I worried most about Towns, back when I thought he was going to be a knick. Depending on how long he grows in that area will determine his success. If he continues to be in foul trouble most games, then his stats will always be limited. KP is learning how to play defense, without pickup too many fouls. So he's not taken out the game due to foul trouble, so he will get more playing time down the road. Once Fisher completely takes the leash of, KP will blossom like a flower, as we are starting to see now.....

I haven't watched Towns play a full NBA game yet, but I do remember watching a few quarters where he had to sit because of his agressive defense, which leads to fouls. Towns is a player that would blossom in the 90's era, when defense was allowed. Now a days, you can't breath on a player, without the ref blowing his whistle. Towns is also under 7 feet.....While KP is over 7'2......So Towns used more anticipation on his blocks, while KP doesn't even jump sometimes, and still gets credit for a block or able to protect the rim.

It's a race between Towns IQ and KP's overall strength. Having them both is really the ideal situation. They are both different players, who can compliment each other.

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12/4/2015  1:17 PM
mreinman wrote:right now these 2 are almost identical in their stats which is pretty freaky.

Yeah, I posted this in the KP ROY thread the other day, they are literally as close as can be, except shooting percentage right now:

crzymdups wrote:Through ~20 games, the stats are insanely close between the two. Towns only has a clear advantage in shooting efficiency, though Porzingis is trending up in that department. Porzingis is also trending way up in blocks, averaging 4blks a game over the past 6 games.

Towns:
minutes per game: 27.4
13.9ppg 9.2rpg 2.2blk .8apg .8stl 50.2%fg 30.0%3ptfg 83.7%ft 51.5%efg

ORTG: 103
DRTG: 97
WS48: .146

Porzingis:
minutes per game: 28.1
13.8ppg 9.3rpg 2.0blk .9apg .7st 43.2%fg 32.7%3pfg 83.1%ft 47.1%efg

ORTG: 105
DRTG: 98
WS48: .148

Also, last 5 games for each show Towns is struggling and Porzingis is improving:

KP last 5:
15.6ppg 10.8rpg 3.4blk

Towns last 5:
8.4ppg 6.0rpg 1.6blk

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12/4/2015  1:20 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:right now these 2 are almost identical in their stats which is pretty freaky.

Yeah, I posted this in the KP ROY thread the other day, they are literally as close as can be, except shooting percentage right now:

crzymdups wrote:Through ~20 games, the stats are insanely close between the two. Towns only has a clear advantage in shooting efficiency, though Porzingis is trending up in that department. Porzingis is also trending way up in blocks, averaging 4blks a game over the past 6 games.

Towns:
minutes per game: 27.4
13.9ppg 9.2rpg 2.2blk .8apg .8stl 50.2%fg 30.0%3ptfg 83.7%ft 51.5%efg

ORTG: 103
DRTG: 97
WS48: .146

Porzingis:
minutes per game: 28.1
13.8ppg 9.3rpg 2.0blk .9apg .7st 43.2%fg 32.7%3pfg 83.1%ft 47.1%efg

ORTG: 105
DRTG: 98
WS48: .148

Also, last 5 games for each show Towns is struggling and Porzingis is improving:

KP last 5:
15.6ppg 10.8rpg 3.4blk

Towns last 5:
8.4ppg 6.0rpg 1.6blk

yes. crazy.

I think that KP makes his teammates a bit better because of how much more he spreads the court with his range and he also changes many more shots on defense.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/6/2015  6:21 AM
I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!
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12/6/2015  1:30 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/6/2015  1:34 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


If we had Lowry there would be hundreds of threads about Ujiri outsmarting Mills, the Knicks giving up draft picks again, how good the raps organization is adding a franchise talent (kp) with the knicks pick etc. Also, would Woodson still be coach?
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12/6/2015  1:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


If we had Lowry there would be hundreds of threads about Ujiri outsmarting Mills, the Knicks giving up draft picks again, how good the raps organization is adding a franchise talent (kp) with the knicks pick etc. Also, would Woodson still be coach?

they would not have given up KP. It would have been for 2016. How about if they gave up Russell? Or Stein?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/6/2015  1:37 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


But if you get one wish, you'd take Towns over Lowry, no?
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12/6/2015  1:39 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


But if you get one wish, you'd take Towns over Lowry, no?

with KP I would take lowry (on a rookie contract of course). We need a star guard more than another big.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/6/2015  1:46 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


If we had Lowry there would be hundreds of threads about Ujiri outsmarting Mills, the Knicks giving up draft picks again, how good the raps organization is adding a franchise talent (kp) with the knicks pick etc. Also, would Woodson still be coach?

they would not have given up KP. It would have been for 2016. How about if they gave up Russell? Or Stein?

I just thought about that. They couldn't trade that pick but they don't have their 2016 pick. They would have had to move their 2018? I believe. Not sure that gets the deal done.
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12/6/2015  1:47 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


If we had Lowry there would be hundreds of threads about Ujiri outsmarting Mills, the Knicks giving up draft picks again, how good the raps organization is adding a franchise talent (kp) with the knicks pick etc. Also, would Woodson still be coach?

they would not have given up KP. It would have been for 2016. How about if they gave up Russell? Or Stein?

I just thought about that. They couldn't trade that pick but they don't have their 2016 pick. They would have had to move their 2018? I believe. Not sure that gets the deal done.

if they did not make the damn bargs trade of course. The idiot trade that will live in idiot infamy

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/6/2015  2:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


But if you get one wish, you'd take Towns over Lowry, no?

with KP I would take lowry (on a rookie contract of course). We need a star guard more than another big.


On a rookie contract? How?
Anyway, I'd rather have 12 years of KP and Towns.
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12/6/2015  2:07 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Towns is out of his slump. I wish we had both him and KP!

I wish we had Lowry and KP


But if you get one wish, you'd take Towns over Lowry, no?

with KP I would take lowry (on a rookie contract of course). We need a star guard more than another big.


On a rookie contract? How?
Anyway, I'd rather have 12 years of KP and Towns.

yeah ... obviously

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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