Knicks1969 wrote:There are a handful of bad coaches around the league, one of them is the HC of the Knicks

You think the team is underperforming after its playoff run last season and thought they'd be building off of that?
Or he is ruining the top rook after 20 games?
or his stellar all star back court is not in synch with its all star center?
or the reigning sixth man of the year is not producing off the bench?

Or you one of those starphuching fans who prefer we go after instant gratification changes and think "Oh jeeze, anyone can coach this badly!!!!" Too bad we can't get XXXXX or XXXXX.

Nalod wrote:Whats our record? one month into the season?

Personally I thought team would take a while to gel.

Teams generally have to learn how to win close games. Letting them slip is better then not having leads.

True
time to gel

But I tell you what, if this mix of new knick players
do not improve a bit say at least near .500, next month or 2

OR if team is about 10-20 games below .500 by middle to late January 2016
this is all on Derick Fisher inability to carve his craft..as a coach

Many many teams in past several to 5 yrs, get coaches with NO NBA playing experience
or former players whom jump right into NBA and get on board running with a plan.

Of course you see that with Milw. Bucks coach Jason Kidd (whom DJ dislikes)
I respect Kidd though. The team BUCKS lost few players, stars in the making as Parker
and had injuries but that Milw. Team can play. They haven't even arrived yet, thus even
with a subpar record you can see direction of that team.

Pistons is another team, with few good big man and youth
but lets get real WHOM IS A STAR on Pistons ? A.Drummond ? Marcus Morris ? Reggie Jackson ?
Team has turned it around though got a way to go, but old coach Stan VanGundy whom never balled
got a plan and idea what's he's doing

Derick Fisher dont have any idea of how OR what his team needs to improve on
but Fisher is a great great talker on post game analysis, and Fisher doesn't fixes sh_it.

Sure Knicks roster isn't complete NOR allstar, but kid Priggy is good and give DFish ounce of credit to play KP

However I Aint giving D.Fisher any more credit, ALL DJ will give him another 1-2 months OR so
to show Knicks fans something different from last season. Even Fisher's assistant coaches (ex lakers)
seem confused on bench and Those guys Cleamons, Rambis has NBA Championship rings(multiples) same as
former NBAer Derrick Fisher. Neither Rambis nor Cleamons is the head coach.

I just hope unless Derick Fisher shows improvements on court, I pray Phil Jackson loyalty wise up and cut's our losses in this guy.

D.Fisher NEVER seemed like a NY guy, never seem connected here in mecca ... Couldn't keep his personal private business out of our Knicks area.

I don't even want nor expect a NBA playoff spot (but its possible in NBA East), we dont have a NBA 2016 pick.
DJ wants improvement seen on court especially at MSG home games. Need to improve in calling some plays at end of quarters.

I am sick and tired of seeing Knicks play in their own gym, and NBA teams come in here smiling and whip our Ass_ess , whom many teams aren't named: CAVs, SPURs, WARRIORs, BULLs, HAWKS, etc. Everyone comes to Garden now and smiles,grits like its NO BIG THING to
walk on Knick floor.

You cant let average teams come into your building for past 2 years and beat you up & down the court, without changing something.
Older Knick teams less skilled would not stand for being guys celebrating on their floor all the time(s). Their Knick team home
record will once again! be crap as it was past 3 years if it doesn't become a priority now WIN home games!.

Even Clyde Frazier says Knicks need to establish a shield at home gym, he said it last season before the injuries.

Lets hope for Knicks fans and success it won't be the coach if we do improve winning games at home sometimes. If not then this guy DFish needs another job which isn't in Knickland.

The rookie PG Grant kid is gonna be good, the PG Langston Galloway kid improves each month.

Lance Thomas subpar talent plays over his skillset, the KP,Melo,Affalo isnt a bad offensive trio.
Knicks have few big bangers in post whom hasn't been horrible and some are young.

So Knicks record isn't bad but the ceiling can fallout by Jan 1, if D.Fisher does his lame approach to
winning games 'like losses' are no big thing. Especially versus teams whom Knicks should match up better against.
Maybe I Am off based perhaps the current NBA talent rosters have MORE teams better than knickerbockers roster.

However if D.Fisher cannot get Knicks an identity at MSG court best place in world, that it wont be easy to win here "What's point" of Coach Fisher being here?

Our guys still have been playing very well. Even if you thought the Knicks lost 3-6 games due to bad coaching. It doesn't make sense to complain because then you are saying the Knicks should be the best team in the east.

EnySpree wrote:I also want to say, the east is better. Having a star is irrelevant if you have a starting calibre player 1-10 on the roster. Charlotte, Orlando and Boston have alot of talent on their teams. Zero stars but tons of talent. More talent than the Knicks if you put roster to roster. You can't coach guys to be good players if they don't have it.

Our guys still have been playing very well. Even if you thought the Knicks lost 3-6 games due to bad coaching. It doesn't make sense to complain because then you are saying the Knicks should be the best team in the east.

complain ?
Listen
no one said here on Board the NY Knicks should be best team in east ?
whom ever say that on Knicks forum board eh?

You missing the point
Charlotte, Orlando and Boston , Pistons ..them teams don't have a Lebron, a Curry Or Harden, a Westbrook, Durant
or such like superstars.

NY Has some improved talent on team.
As far as the NY Knicks being 1 of better Team NBA defenses lets win few games on court.

You cant pin all that on the players, some of it will fall to their execution.

All in all point of post is you need to establish an identity:
(freak the triangle)
* Are you a defense first team ? rebounding (offensive boards) team
* Are you a 3 point shooting team ?
* Are you a good pct. shooting team ? or is offense your defense ?
* Are you Triangle-offense rest of NBA weaker teams to point where its effective to win games, especially at your Gym.
* Where's the roles ? of guys on Knicks squad. We got a decent slight above avg. bench now vs. non-elite teams

We don't need to see younger Knicks get their butt kicked (twice) by a decent Miami Heat team with aged' Dwade, CBosh
This ain't a Miami Heat team where NY shouldn't have been better at the Garden. Knicks did NO Show & Heat wiped floor with NY.

Need team identity and Derick Fisher hasn't established S*&_it regarding what we're doing other than random Triangle scheme hoops.
Attitude here as Knicks fans is patience. Sure I got that I have plenty of patience with players. DFish has responsibility here.
Do not discount Derick Fisher counts in all this, he'll have to show something for that $$$Fat contract he got.
Moreso than his tail' being whipped offcourt by Matt Barnes a player we wont remember in 10 yrs.

You're 100% right teams Charlotte, Orlando and Boston , Bucks (east),
Utah, Minny-Wolves, all of these teams are better, But whom they got ? superstars?
NOPE (exception of Minny Wolves Wiggins a NBA star in the making)h

NBA is getting younger and better. However we're not in era of a bunch like Larry Bird, MJ and Magic Johnson, Dr. J,
Oscar, Wilt and Jerry West, Clyde Frazier types.

True we're going to need to be patient with the players. As far a coach I've always said on this board ..
when a new player OR coach comes to team 1st year is a pass adjustments, improvements and utmost a plan.
Well coach Fisher is on a ticker-time clock for DJ.

Well I am sorry if I am clueless on what the devil Derick Fisher is doing, I don't see it !
Some in pro sports think coaching don't make a difference and yes to some extent

Its mostly talent, development, improvements and a plan/identity.
Well I see the improved NYK talents, but from Fisher I see no development, no improvement NOR an identity = NO plan.
Can blame Phil Jackson but so much, Phil J aint on court coaching and teaching.

If DFish he's such a respected PG, 5x time NBA ring champ, he got young guards PG teaching
we need to see these younger guards now. NO J.CALDERONE,

Fisher is a project to me as a coach. As a Knick fan I'm tired of coaching projects. Let Dfish go to a small market NBA team for that
We're in an age/era the days of giving a coach several years or even more to develop NBA success is OVER.

Knicks roster isn't that bad .. Phil Jackson did best he can after doing nothing at start of Phil Jackson era.
Now Coach is another story, so its Derrick Fisher turn.

Of course its never 1 coach nor 1 player fault. Organization is involved in re-tooling
fitting needs and mimic success of other NBA teams ahead of them in role players.

Do not make excuses on this forum board for coach Derick Fisher.
We hear from NBA guru's he's going be a good coach , Well its time for myself DJ too see few results.

NY 8-10 or whatever record aint that bad. I don't like losing games always at home MSG garden court.
If that don't get to you NOR makes any worries to Derrick Fisher I've got somewhat of problem with that !
2 + years of non-garden home gym competitiveness won't ever make you build toward a winner is my point.

HofstraBBall wrote:Think you can only look at the coach when the effort level of the team has dropped considerably. Something that has yet to happen. Also, The roster is completely different and a coach needs to feel out different combinations of players. Those players then need time to build chemistry as well. Again, something that does not take 18 games. One should also look at individual shooting percentage. During most of their losses, the Knicks simply just missed their shots. Something a coach can't do for them. His job is to get them open looks. One must also keep in mind, you have one of the most succesful coaches in NBA history in Fishers ear. Just don't think Coach is the problem. I keep saying we are a drive and pass PG and a couple of consistent outside shooters in second unit away from the playoffs. And if we somehow upgrade at center than watch out.

Phil is not there to watch over Fisher's shoulders all of the times; fisher himself said that much. Fisher makes the decision to have the wrong lineup on the court not Phil. Fisher makes the decision to play certain guys just 5 minutes on any giving night, not Phil. Yes, fisher does not shoot nor defend, the players do; however, it behooves the coach to design plays and have the proper rotation in the game to help make things better for the entire team. A lineup of Grant/Sasha, Galloway, Lance, Lou, and Seraphin should never be tried in a professional basketball game. But we see it every night.

Moonangie wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:
Slumping Knicks has few skilled youth players
Whom got my their impressive start.

However Dfish fails to adjust roles of team
Even in Carmelo's slump.

All in all DJ is pleased with NYK but ain't happy with Coach
Derick Fisher.

Yea we don't have a Dwade, PGeorge, Harden..
But look at how many teams don't have these guys
Either but you'd be surprised if belowb teams
Don't make playoffs... Nba east

Hornets, Bucks, Wiz, Celts, Pistons,
Magic, all not elite teams. But have making
Of being better than Knicks, my gripe on
Dfish ability is pointed towards my putrid putrid
Home record...

I ain't talking bout home record vs.the elite
Either, Cleve, Bills, Hawk's, Raptor
..etc.

Comes back to coaching coach and players play
And executes.

I feel strongly Dfish won't make it
As my coach to end of year, he solely needs
To finish with little better record than 2014/2015

However if you can't figure out how
To win home games you can and should win
Vs. Bottom tier Nba teams reinforced my idea
He, is clueless without more talent guys which
Phil has improved roster.

Still see possible 58-64 loss team in NY
Where rest of Nba is Improving, but
Coach do matter here in pro sports.

He ain't right guy here, especially
Since Dfish a former of can't figure
Out how to incorporate his younger pg
In games at end, which my can win some
Of those.

Grade F as a PG coach, adjusting to
Nba and NY finishing games.. Instead of
Letting few get away at the Garden.

Is DJ drinking from the same cup as 1969?

This sheehit don't even rhyme. Or at least write haikus.

Knicks1969 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:There are a handful of bad coaches around the league, one of them is the HC of the Knicks

You think the team is underperforming after its playoff run last season and thought they'd be building off of that?
Or he is ruining the top rook after 20 games?
or his stellar all star back court is not in synch with its all star center?
or the reigning sixth man of the year is not producing off the bench?

Or you one of those starphuching fans who prefer we go after instant gratification changes and think "Oh jeeze, anyone can coach this badly!!!!" Too bad we can't get XXXXX or XXXXX.

The dude simply can't coach. He calls no plays, his sub patterns are terrible; he doesn't believe in continuity; and knows nothing about coaching defense. He is not even suited to coach a highschool basketball team from what I have seen the last 101 games. I was hoping that he would be better this season, but I am sorely disappointed.

Come back to us after you try watching or listening to some games.

And if you're going to include a rookie coaching year with a sub-NCAA Div III roster for most of last year, you really need to up your meds. You may have heard the news about that whole tanking for a high first round draft pick, haven't you?

Dude, I got NBALP because of the Knicks. I am heavily invested in this team; which is precisely why I am sick and tired of the masquerade Fisher is doing on the sidelines. I want to give the fool a chance, but he shows no desire to alter his egos. It is one thing if we did not have talents, but we do. Playing Sasha, Calderon, Seraphin, and Lou over Grant, Williams, KO, and Early makes no sense to me. It is one thing if he were using those players consistently for 15+ minutes, but that is not the case. The dude needs to be in a front office, not the sidelines

can you cite one article or professional opinion that has come to the same conclusion that you have (and someone other than 1248 please)