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WaltLongmire
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11/26/2015 10:04 PM
Very foolish. Shows a lot of frustration on OK4's part... obviously. Guy has a lot of pride, is coming off a championship season at Duke and is now the main man on what has been a mismanaged franchise after the team he wanted to go to did not take him. (Yeah...I said MISMANAGED, mreinman!)
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Watched him play the second half of the Boston game and the entire Minny game, and liked what I saw on the court, but it is amazing to me how many pro players have not come to understand the off the court perils of going to night clubs and bars during their season at times of the day/night/morning where they risk of facing the kind of provocation OK4 (and JR, for that matter) might face from fans. Also amazes me that a generation raised during an age where anyone with a smart phone can record an incident almost immediately continues to think that they can do things like this and not get recorded.
...He's not 21 yet, and Mass. adheres to the national drinking age, so he faces more trouble if they can prove he was drunk or if he was drinking...No? If he was found to be drinking, is there a potential "substance abuse" penalty for underage drinking by an NBA player? Just wondering. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
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11/26/2015 10:30 PM
Jahlil Okafor's apparent street fight is more proof of 76ers' flawed rebuilding plan EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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CrushAlot
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11/26/2015 10:47 PM
^^^I don't think the role solid vets play for young players can be discounted. The lack of a global vision for team building in Philly is not working out for Philly. Even journey men role players like Lance and Lou can impact a team by their professionalism, work ethic, practice habits and character.
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dk7th
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11/26/2015 11:42 PM
mreinman wrote:Not a good look for Ok4. I'm sure that everyone will blame the tanking though ... sadly, tanking is not the efficient cause here. i had questions about his character from the beginning, which in my opinion stems from his personal circumstances, which include the breakup of his family, the loss of his mother at an early age, and the father basically turning into a "stage father" once he was burdened with raising a child. okafor is a classic example of the "conveyor belt" ethos that pervades usa basketball culture, being recruited since 8th grade. he has been exploited. i hope he can attract a genuine mentor. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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CrushAlot
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11/27/2015 12:25 AM
Aside from Carl Landry the oldest player on that team is Robert Covington at 24. Also, Landry is the only player(out of 14) with more than 2 yrs experience in the nba. Covington was in the d league a year ago. The team has 5 rookies, four second year players, four third year players, and Landry. The Sixers have 6 undrafted players on their roster. They have 5 d league alumni. They have 3 first round picks on their roster including Embiid. Brown is trying to create a winning/developmental environment with no role models and minimal talent. In a league where teams and families try to set up support networks for young players, the Sixers just have other young players. Most of their roster is marginal nba talent. Okafor is a tremendous talent. He went to the college equivalent of the Spurs, won an national championship and there were no incidents that I am aware of that occurred during his season there. The Sixers suck and being a Sixer has to suck right now.
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clyderules
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11/27/2015 2:14 AM
I feel bad for him. And the fans in Philly. What a lousy strategy to intentionally lose games for years on purpose. How does the league even allow it?
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newyorknewyork
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11/27/2015 8:24 AM
He is 19 ish happens. This stuff happens every night mutiple times over around the world. Hopefully its a learning experience and he grows from it.
Then there is the question, what bar was it that served a 19 yr old alcohol as he seemed very intoxicated. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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gunsnewing
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11/27/2015 8:42 AM
dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:Not a good look for Ok4. I'm sure that everyone will blame the tanking though ... not to laugh at this matter but you did kind of call it. I've been shocked by OK4's actions early on. Because of their build and look I was expecting a more mild mannered player like Tim Duncan. Npt JR Rider/ Ron Artest! |
dk7th
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11/27/2015 9:34 AM
gunsnewing wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:Not a good look for Ok4. I'm sure that everyone will blame the tanking though ... it's no laughing matter. i don't relish when this sort of prediction pans out. he was out clubbing and he was clearly drunk. just so wrong on several levels. it's either an isolated incident or the first of many. either way he needs mentoring and monitoring. how can the sixers organization not have a curfew in place? knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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CrushAlot
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11/27/2015 10:10 AM
Apart from the obvious - that Okafor, at age 19, and that Wood, at age 20, are not legally permitted to consume alcohol - the incident raises a number of troubling questions for the Sixers and for Okafor, whom the franchise selected with the No. 3 overall pick in this year's NBA draft out of Duke and who leads the team in scoring, averaging 18.4 points per game. If Okafor was indeed frustrated by ridicule over the Sixers' record, his reaction lends credence to the idea that the franchise's plan to withstand several losing seasons for the sake of acquiring high draft picks and rebuilding their roster may be having a corrosive effect on its players. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20151127_Jahlil_Okafor_caught_on_video_punching_man_in_Boston_street_fight.html I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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EnySpree
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11/27/2015 10:17 AM
We only see the aftermath. We don't know what set him off. Regardless he's not working for McDonalds. He has a strong father figure and im sure they had it out over this. He's a kid. Terrible mistake to try and beat so early in his career. People learn through experience unfortunately
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WaltLongmire
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11/27/2015 10:50 AM
Are there issues about his character that I am totally unaware of?
Are there other incidents besides this one that I am unaware of? : gunsnewing
dk7th I don't exactly know what a "stage father" is ...Am I to assume that his means he was a father in name/title only, and not a good dad?? I figured that he had recruited at a young age because of his size, and would have expected that one "amateur" program pr another had him on a traveling team. That OK4has some holes in his skills-set would make me think that some of his early coaches were not that concerned with making him into a complete player- more concerned with just winning, but this is frequently the case in early amateur ball and even in college. Add in the fact that he and Noel might not be a great tandem at this point...something that was predicted before the season by a scout quoted in a SI article: I don’t see, at all, the combination of Nerlens Noel at power forward and Jahlil Okafor at center. That’s probably how they’ll start. Okafor is legit. You can build your team around him. But Noel’s a center too. He’s not a power forward. How’s he going to go out and guard stretch fours? And then opponents don’t even have to guard him. Noel can’t shoot past 10 feet. This was a recent article supporting the defensive part of the above comment: Keith Pompey, Inquirer Staff Writer Not a good situation for Philly. Perhaps Hinkie will come to understand that the "assets" he acquires need more attention once they take on the form of actual players. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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CrushAlot
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11/27/2015 11:08 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:He is 19 ish happens. This stuff happens every night mutiple times over around the world. Hopefully its a learning experience and he grows from it.One of the Philly papers said he was with Christian Wood, another 19 year old. These guys should be college sophmores. Too bad it happened but they are at an age where they will make mistakes. Hopefully they learn from this. Also, saw somewhere that the police in boston are not pursuing this. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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nixluva
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11/27/2015 11:28 AM
It's a bad situation being drunk in public and getting caught on tape acting violently is pretty bad. Where is his body guard or chaperone? If he's my kid I'm gonna have to make sure he's protected out in public. Crazy as it seems athletes are targets for things like this. What if one of the other guys had a gun or knife. We've seen that kind of thing happen already.
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WaltLongmire
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11/27/2015 11:46 AM LAST EDITED: 11/27/2015 11:52 AM
dk7th wrote:gunsnewing wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:Not a good look for Ok4. I'm sure that everyone will blame the tanking though ... J.R., Copeland, Sefolosia, OK4, Woods, etc.... Do you make a distinction among older and younger players? I'm always taking hits around here for talking about "responsibility" and today's athletes, because I think that there should be some restrictions on them during their actual season because they have an obligation to their team and teammates, but then you have to balance this with basic human freedoms. Social media and smart phone technology, as well as the idiots who seem to love going after pro athletes and celebrities make it more dangerous for players today in any social setting, unfortunately, but players have to understand that they are going to face this kind of thing and learn to react the right way, especially when putting themselves into the kind of situation OK4 put himself into. Look at John Manziel by the way...how many chances does this guy get, and how many times does he do something stupid that gets recorded. Hard to believe the dumb things some of these guys do...maybe they need to have some stronger contractual penalties for players who screw up like this- less guaranteed $$, perhaps. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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dk7th
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11/27/2015 11:49 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Are there issues about his character that I am totally unaware of? yes the loss of his mother has no doubt scarred him. how could it have not? when i look at this kid i see someone who looks like he knows he has been exploited by the conveyor belt of american basketball and yes, by a father who had to come into his son's life not by choice but by necessity. this has to create inner turmoil and even a certain sort of unhealthy cynicism over and above the usual stuff that 19yo boys go through. kp6 has his brother with him wherever he goes. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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dk7th
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11/27/2015 11:54 AM LAST EDITED: 11/27/2015 11:57 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:dk7th wrote:gunsnewing wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:Not a good look for Ok4. I'm sure that everyone will blame the tanking though ... yes i make a distinction between underaged professional athletes and athletes of legal age. still... even attaining legal age is no guarantee of maturity, responsibility, sound decision-making. so yes you will have the jr smiths of the world. but so long as you allow one and dones or any athlete under 21 into the nba there needs to be a support team or system in place, and not "nothing/nobody" or worse-- a group of enablers. i don't like that he was drunk and that he was goaded into a fight. and i really really don't like what he said-- that speaks to misplaced values that in my opinion are a product of his being exploited by a system and his own father. where is the father? and if his father cannot be bothered then where is any sort of mentor? knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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GustavBahler
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11/27/2015 11:57 AM
Stephen A Smith said on first take that he spoke to the family, and Okafor claims one of the three hecklers struck an unnamed teammate, and thats when he started taking them out.
Don't know what happened, the only thing I can really fault him for is being underaged and coming out of a club at 2am. No amount of losing can condone that. Someone who played under coach K should know better. Im sure he will be getting a call from him, not the first time he has called a player when he believes they need some advice. |
dk7th
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11/27/2015 12:01 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Stephen A Smith said on first take that he spoke to the family, and Okafor claims one of the three hecklers struck an unnamed teammate, and thats when he started taking them out. he seems intoxicated. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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