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StarksEwing1
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11/22/2015  1:07 PM
Gotta give props to phil and gaines. Instead of making a bad trade Like the proposed ty lawson deal they stuck to their guns and got the BPA. Im so impressed with this kid. Forget his offense which is great his Defense really surprised me. The kid has no fear. He is smart, can block, is our best rebounder. His offense is great because he can beat you in so many ways. He can drive, he can shoot the 3, he can draw fouls better than most too. Sorry for going on and on but this kid is the best thing to happen to us in 15 years
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11/23/2015  4:51 AM
Wow, Gaines suggested Phil take Porzingis #1 if we were to have won the lottery.

Knicks brass was genuinely surprised he measured in during their pre-draft workout at a legit 7-1 without sneakers, and that was a factor in feeling comfortable enough to draft him at No. 4. Knicks advisor Clarence Gaines Jr., after scouting Porzingis in Spain, had recommended to Phil Jackson he select Porzingis with the No. 1 pick if the Knicks won the lottery.

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11/23/2015  8:49 AM
Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

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11/23/2015  8:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2015  8:54 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

Yeah however let me just clarify this is NOT a bash melo thread. I simply like Porzingis game a little more.
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11/23/2015  8:54 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

Yeah however let me just clarify this is NOT a bash melo thread. I simply like Porzingis game a little more. I know how fishmike and few others get

LOL it's funny how we have to put a disclaimer on a KP thread, to keep the riff raff out from ruining it.

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11/23/2015  8:54 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

I'm all about his potential, but can we at least wait a quarter or half a season and see where things go? I am interested to see what happens when teams have played against and scouted KP and make adjustments. He seems to have a good work ethic, something other former fan favs such as Shump lacked. That said, great potential for KP and I'm looking forward to seeing what that brings, just think we need to pump the breaks a little as things play out.

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11/23/2015  8:55 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

Yeah however let me just clarify this is NOT a bash melo thread. I simply like Porzingis game a little more. I know how fishmike and few others get

LOL it's funny how we have to put a disclaimer on a KP thread, to keep the riff raff out from ruining it.

Its a pain BUT some interpret things wrongly which is unfortunate
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11/23/2015  8:59 AM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

I'm all about his potential, but can we at least wait a quarter or half a season and see where things go? I am interested to see what happens when teams have played against and scouted KP and make adjustments. He seems to have a good work ethic, something other former fan favs such as Shump lacked. That said, great potential for KP and I'm looking forward to seeing what that brings, just think we need to pump the breaks a little as things play out.

Uhm, have you been paying attention to this season? Dude's on a Shaquille O'Neill record pace for double doubles as a rookie. First Knick since Ewing in his prime to record 24-15-7. 20 years of age.

This ain't no Shumpert or Linsanity garbage...this is history in the making.

Let's NOT pump the brakes, and let's LIVE in the moment.

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11/23/2015  9:01 AM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

I'm all about his potential, but can we at least wait a quarter or half a season and see where things go? I am interested to see what happens when teams have played against and scouted KP and make adjustments. He seems to have a good work ethic, something other former fan favs such as Shump lacked. That said, great potential for KP and I'm looking forward to seeing what that brings, just think we need to pump the breaks a little as things play out.

oh they'll be scouting him alright. and you may want to register that he'll be studying them as well. bill russell studied his opponents ravenously. kp6 is a student of the game. can't deny his bbiq and his ability to adapt within the games themselves.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/23/2015  9:05 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

I'm all about his potential, but can we at least wait a quarter or half a season and see where things go? I am interested to see what happens when teams have played against and scouted KP and make adjustments. He seems to have a good work ethic, something other former fan favs such as Shump lacked. That said, great potential for KP and I'm looking forward to seeing what that brings, just think we need to pump the breaks a little as things play out.

Uhm, have you been paying attention to this season? Dude's on a Shaquille O'Neill record pace for double doubles as a rookie. First Knick since Ewing in his prime to record 24-15-7. 20 years of age.

This ain't no Shumpert or Linsanity garbage...this is history in the making.

Let's NOT pump the brakes, and let's LIVE in the moment.

I watched every game except parts of 2. I love his potential but I also prefer to stay somewhat grounded before crowning a guy who has played 14 games an all-time great. That I have made it clear that I love his skill set and potential and look forward to watching things play out.

I'm not a huge fan of how everything gets blown up so quickly these days, but that's a sign of the times. I guess if people are excited that is good, but creating all-time great expectations for the kid after 14 games is not the best thing to do either.

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11/23/2015  9:11 AM
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Best player to grace the Knicks uniform since Ewing, and it's not even close.

Buckle your seats boys, barring a major injury or unforeseen stupid trade, KP is going to take us on a 10-15 year ride!

I'm all about his potential, but can we at least wait a quarter or half a season and see where things go? I am interested to see what happens when teams have played against and scouted KP and make adjustments. He seems to have a good work ethic, something other former fan favs such as Shump lacked. That said, great potential for KP and I'm looking forward to seeing what that brings, just think we need to pump the breaks a little as things play out.

oh they'll be scouting him alright. and you may want to register that he'll be studying them as well. bill russell studied his opponents ravenously. kp6 is a student of the game. can't deny his bbiq and his ability to adapt within the games themselves.

Excellent point. Anyone notice the difference in the first and second Charlotte game?

KP made adjustments to how they were playing him in the first, and in the 2nd capitalized and had his 1st breakout game of the season. I think he even mentioned the adjustment and familiarity in seeing Charlotte for the 2nd time in the postgame interview of that game.

Graduate student of the game, Dude's BBall IQ is off the charts.

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11/23/2015  9:26 AM
KP's struggles are still ahead. He's very inconsistent now, and that shows in his box scores. He's going to hit a rookie wall, he's still getting winded and finding his legs and has games when his shot just isnt falling, but man does he look good right now.

I was really impressed vs. Houston. OK, so no Dwight... although I almost wished he played. We played a line up for a good stretch in the 4th of Gallo/Jose/AA and KP/Melo at the 4/5. I was pretty blown away by KP during that stretch, and for that period KP was most certainly the best player on the floor for both team and it showed. They had ZERO answer for him on both ends of the floor.

I still prefer KP at the 4 and I think having him next to another 7 footer almost reminds of KY with Towns and WCS up front just a nightmare for teams to deal with. That being said Fisher threw him out there at the 5 and what KP did took a lot of effort and flat out won the game for us. Melo hit some great clutch shots but those are meaningless without KP totally controlling the game. The only real time we have seen Melo with ball movement and scoring threats around him was the 54 win season. I picked 45 for this year. That may be conservative.

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11/23/2015  9:28 AM
it's early, but I don't think premature.

Maybe better than Ewing?

Ewing, I think, was great for his effort and tenacity. I think when its all said on done, we may judge KP better in terms of skills & talent.

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11/23/2015  9:37 AM
franco12 wrote:it's early, but I don't think premature.

Maybe better than Ewing?

Ewing, I think, was great for his effort and tenacity. I think when its all said on done, we may judge KP better in terms of skills & talent.

what really nice is KP doesnt lack those either... Needs to build up his motor, but its there, its def there.
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11/23/2015  9:51 AM
Its clear to see for everyone who has watched the Knicks this season.

I have said to myself multiple times in the past. If only we had a KG, or if only we had a Gasol.

KP could play with any player in the league as I stated in another thread. His skill set and personality. We aren't going to have to worry about how to build around him when that time comes.

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11/23/2015  10:09 AM
KP's strengths are his understanding of what he needs to do / where he needs to be on the court for such a young player. His Size - and relative quickness for his size. His shooting form / relative soft touch. His overall effort and desire to learn (I am guessing on this based on his play).

KP's weakness (so far) - He is getting pushed off his position (mainly in the block on defense when preparing for a rebound) by smaller guys with lower centers of gravity. He sometimes brings the ball low - when he doesn't need to especially with his height. He sometimes tries to do too much off the dribble and has made a few wild passes. All of this will be minimized (IMO) based on how well (and quickly) he adjusts/learns.

When I watch the kid play all I can think of is how unstoppable he will become when his game becomes more polished as he matures over the next several seasons.

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11/23/2015  10:14 AM
It doesn't really need to be said that we have to wait and see with any Rookie! That's not the point. The point is that you are looking at his raw talent coming in and we knew he had a ton of talent but what is making such a huge difference early is that KP is squeezing every drop of his talent out on the floor. He's not wasting his talent with lazy play. That in itself is HUGE. This is what makes Great players GREAT. They of course have great talent but it's the fact that they also work harder that pushes them over the top and KP has that drive. Now he's gonna hit a wall cuz that's what Rookies generally do and he's a big kid who goes all out. You can't sustain that without hitting some fatigue. KP has yet to grow into his body and reach peak fitness level.
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11/23/2015  11:32 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Gotta give props to phil and gaines. Instead of making a bad trade Like the proposed ty lawson deal they stuck to their guns and got the BPA. Im so impressed with this kid. Forget his offense which is great his Defense really surprised me. The kid has no fear. He is smart, can block, is our best rebounder. His offense is great because he can beat you in so many ways. He can drive, he can shoot the 3, he can draw fouls better than most too. Sorry for going on and on but this kid is the best thing to happen to us in 15 years

I agree he is the best thing to happen to this franchise since Ewing got drafted, which is many of our lifetimes. That being said, its important we understand he is going to have his ups and downs, and he is not yet our best player. He will get there, but right now Melo is still our best player, and KP is doing a fantastic job getting acclimated to the game and doing everything he can to have an impact. But he will be our best player soon enough.

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11/23/2015  2:58 PM
I would like KP to focus on being a defensive monster who can score all over the court then an offensive monster who also plays defense if that makes sense. Like Westbrook and many others after a while they become more offensive minded and defense is the after thought to preserve energy. I'd rather KP put majority of his energy on being a dominating defensive and rebounding anchor first and formost. He can always get the crunch time go to looks. But shouldnt be a all game thing. Will cause to much wear and tear.

KG did everything for Minny but that doesn't lead to a deep level of success. Plus we need to make sure we set KP up for a long term career like Duncan.

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11/23/2015  3:03 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:I would like KP to focus on being a defensive monster who can score all over the court then an offensive monster who also plays defense if that makes sense. Like Westbrook and many others after a while they become more offensive minded and defense is the after thought to preserve energy. I'd rather KP put majority of his energy on being a dominating defensive and rebounding anchor first and formost. He can always get the crunch time go to looks. But shouldnt be a all game thing. Will cause to much wear and tear.

KG did everything for Minny but that doesn't lead to a deep level of success. Plus we need to make sure we set KP up for a long term career like Duncan.

huh?????
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