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11/20/2015  8:42 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/11/19/how-carmelo-isnt-pulling-another-jeremy-lin-with-porzingis/

The coexistence of Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis in the Garden spotlight has been a success thus far. Now it has to last.

The Latvian rookie has become an instant fan favorite after hearing draft-night boos and is the biggest reason for optimism after a last season’s dreadful 17-65 campaign. Anthony has found his footing after a slow start following knee surgery last season and has played a significant part in the team’s modest, yet noteworthy, 6-6 beginning.

Anthony has received criticism outside the organization for how he treated Jeremy Lin during/after the Linsanity craze. And Amar’e Stoudemire has not been shy about taking pot shots at his former teammate’s unwillingness to share the ball.

“I think he’s trying what he can do to win and trusting his teammates and the talent,” NBA TV analyst Grant Hill said of Anthony.

“And so, it is good to see. He could easily say we are going through a rebuilding stage. There’s a lot of new faces, but he’s got the support. [Langston] Galloway has been huge and [Anthony has] been picking and choosing his spots. What I like is that he’s making good basketball plays and balancing that with his aggressiveness. I’ve been impressed with what I’ve seen.”

But it’s Porzingis who has been on the receiving end of the Garden’s “MVP” chants and featured on back pages. Anthony has been nothing but gracious and supportive of Porzingis in comments.

“I like his toughness, his willingness to get in there and mix it up,” Hill said of Porzingis, who had 29 points and 11 rebounds Tuesday against the Hornets, while Anthony — rather quietly — had 18 points, 11 rebounds and five assists.

“He’s had some good putbacks. He’s a player. The key things for the Knicks is that they continue to work hard and believe in themselves, not get too full of themselves. It has been one of the pleasant surprises this year.”

While most are just getting to know Porzingis, Fran Fraschilla, who went from St. John’s coach to ESPN’s foreign scout, has been salivating over the big man’s talent for some time.

“You can tell the kid wants to be in New York, he wants the pressure and people are finding out he’s a little tougher than we thought,” Fraschilla said. “He’s 20 percent of what he’s going to be in five years — that’s the scary thought. He’s not even right for that offense right now because everything goes through Carmelo. At a certain point in his career, he’s going to be the focal point and he’ll be a superstar.”

That’s why Fraschilla was one of the few who thought the Knicks were wise to use the No. 4 pick on the European, even though it was widely unpopular among fans, while ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith nearly had a stroke over the selection.

“You go into the NBA. It’s a man’s league and that’s why so many rookies struggle. But he did a lot of his struggling as a young player in the [Spanish] ACB League,” Fraschilla said.

“We saw that toughness and he wasn’t going to back away from rough physical play and it’s serving him well right now.”

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11/20/2015  8:58 AM
It's good to see. Though Grant Hill also guaranteed a win against the Cavs last week, saying it was "fate" at halftime of that game.

But, yeah, I hope Melo realizes that people will take notice if he continues to facilitate and make his teammates better.

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11/20/2015  9:15 AM
crzymdups wrote:It's good to see. Though Grant Hill also guaranteed a win against the Cavs last week, saying it was "fate" at halftime of that game.

But, yeah, I hope Melo realizes that people will take notice if he continues to facilitate and make his teammates better.

Melo respects what Porzingis brings to the table. That's why he's being so gracious with what he knows eventually will be the passing of the torch. Melo has shown in the Olympics that he's willing to step aside for players he respects. Unfortunately Melo has taken that philosophy too far at times, freezing out players who he didn't believe were up to snuff. That's on him.

I do believe that his evolution as a player didn't begin this season. I believe he has become a better teammate as his time in NY has passed. Hopefully things will continue to get better.

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11/20/2015  9:38 AM
Most ironic thing I take from the article, although not touched upon, is that Fraschilla, who pushed for Porzingis more than any analyst- and was the guy who really got me looking more closely at the Latvian, thought that KP was going to have physical issues early on and that he would get pushed around.

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.
“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

Have not seen him getting "mauled" yet. Sure he's been scored on, and looked like a rookie at times, but I don't recall watching a game and thinking he was not ready physically for the NBA. Very raw post game, but you can see he has some moves he can work on.

Simply amazing how most folks, including myself, miscalculated his ability to battle around the basket, and he is rebounding better than he ever did in Europe.


You always like to see the comments from former players- they obviously have a much better gauge about what they are seeing than writers or one of us.

Charles Smith, who was at a recent Knicks game, was quoted as saying that in 3 years or so, KP would be a top 10 player in the league. Not sure if this is going to be true, but a lot of ex NBA players seem to be noticing the kid.


Hopefully this is a rebirth for Anthony. He can be a much more efficient player and have more energy at the end of games if the kind of play we've been seeing can continue. If I was him I would challenge myself and set a goal of 5 assists/game and a shooting % in the high 40's (which would mean better shot selection) . I think he's been showing that this is possible, and not only will guys like Gallo and KP will benefit, but Melo will face fewer double teams, so he can be more successful scoring.

Also heard some talk show guys talking about a two man game with Anthony and KP playing off each other. I know some had the midrange shot, but these guys should work well together 17 feet and in.


A lot to think about...hopefully things continue to evolve for this team and we're not just going through an early season optimism stage.

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11/20/2015  9:59 AM
Melo, like most superior talent must first respect a teammate before a trust.
Jordan had to learn to trust his team.
Regardless of the past and who melo played with in Denver or in his 5 years a knick, the only thing that matters is now and going forward.

31 year old Melo is a different animal than 23 year old melo. How? Sorry, I have nor the time or energy to dissect this. Most players evolve over time.

Melo must also respect and trust his coach.

If these things are in place then its a good start. He has his contract, and now its legacy time. KP is growing because Melo respects his game. Gallo is growing because with more options on the floor he has more space.
Its a process. ALso will be one that runs into walls and losing streaks. Fans have quick answers to the obvious but we all know its not as easy as Briggs starting a new thread.

My hope is the "Culture" that is really in its infancy can also become a vacuum for talent. Players in such and environment want to stay and want to come here.
Durant has to not only want to play in NY but has to want to take a risk. HE also has to want to leave OKC in a manner that will ding his brand some for it to be effective. Aldridge left Portland and took a small hit. Lebron got creamed after the decision, Shaq left Magic, and Melo rejected Denver for the bright lights of Broadway.

since Its OKC time Durant is the flavor of the week and will be a byline in every city he visits this year.

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11/20/2015  10:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2015  10:10 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Most ironic thing I take from the article, although not touched upon, is that Fraschilla, who pushed for Porzingis more than any analyst- and was the guy who really got me looking more closely at the Latvian, thought that KP was going to have physical issues early on and that he would get pushed around.

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.
“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

Have not seen him getting "mauled" yet. Sure he's been scored on, and looked like a rookie at times, but I don't recall watching a game and thinking he was not ready physically for the NBA. Very raw post game, but you can see he has some moves he can work on.

Simply amazing how most folks, including myself, miscalculated his ability to battle around the basket, and he is rebounding better than he ever did in Europe.


You always like to see the comments from former players- they obviously have a much better gauge about what they are seeing than writers or one of us.

Charles Smith, who was at a recent Knicks game, was quoted as saying that in 3 years or so, KP would be a top 10 player in the league. Not sure if this is going to be true, but a lot of ex NBA players seem to be noticing the kid.


Hopefully this is a rebirth for Anthony. He can be a much more efficient player and have more energy at the end of games if the kind of play we've been seeing can continue. If I was him I would challenge myself and set a goal of 5 assists/game and a shooting % in the high 40's (which would mean better shot selection) . I think he's been showing that this is possible, and not only will guys like Gallo and KP will benefit, but Melo will face fewer double teams, so he can be more successful scoring.

Also heard some talk show guys talking about a two man game with Anthony and KP playing off each other. I know some had the midrange shot, but these guys should work well together 17 feet and in.


A lot to think about...hopefully things continue to evolve for this team and we're not just going through an early season optimism stage.

I didn't think KP would have too many problems in the post, because the old school centers like Shaq or bruisers like Barkley were phasing out. KP thin frame and all around game is now the norm. So he's entering the league at the right time.

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11/20/2015  11:40 AM
Nalod wrote:Melo, like most superior talent must first respect a teammate before a trust.
Jordan had to learn to trust his team.
Regardless of the past and who melo played with in Denver or in his 5 years a knick, the only thing that matters is now and going forward.

31 year old Melo is a different animal than 23 year old melo. How? Sorry, I have nor the time or energy to dissect this. Most players evolve over time.

Melo must also respect and trust his coach.

If these things are in place then its a good start. He has his contract, and now its legacy time. KP is growing because Melo respects his game. Gallo is growing because with more options on the floor he has more space.
Its a process. ALso will be one that runs into walls and losing streaks. Fans have quick answers to the obvious but we all know its not as easy as Briggs starting a new thread.

My hope is the "Culture" that is really in its infancy can also become a vacuum for talent. Players in such and environment want to stay and want to come here.
Durant has to not only want to play in NY but has to want to take a risk. HE also has to want to leave OKC in a manner that will ding his brand some for it to be effective. Aldridge left Portland and took a small hit. Lebron got creamed after the decision, Shaq left Magic, and Melo rejected Denver for the bright lights of Broadway.

since Its OKC time Durant is the flavor of the week and will be a byline in every city he visits this year.

Interesting. I recall you being strongly against the trade for an almost 27 year old Melo. Didnt pass up many opportunities to diss him for some time after the trade. Guess you evolved as well.

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11/20/2015  11:45 AM
blkexec wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Most ironic thing I take from the article, although not touched upon, is that Fraschilla, who pushed for Porzingis more than any analyst- and was the guy who really got me looking more closely at the Latvian, thought that KP was going to have physical issues early on and that he would get pushed around.

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.
“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

Have not seen him getting "mauled" yet. Sure he's been scored on, and looked like a rookie at times, but I don't recall watching a game and thinking he was not ready physically for the NBA. Very raw post game, but you can see he has some moves he can work on.

Simply amazing how most folks, including myself, miscalculated his ability to battle around the basket, and he is rebounding better than he ever did in Europe.


You always like to see the comments from former players- they obviously have a much better gauge about what they are seeing than writers or one of us.

Charles Smith, who was at a recent Knicks game, was quoted as saying that in 3 years or so, KP would be a top 10 player in the league. Not sure if this is going to be true, but a lot of ex NBA players seem to be noticing the kid.


Hopefully this is a rebirth for Anthony. He can be a much more efficient player and have more energy at the end of games if the kind of play we've been seeing can continue. If I was him I would challenge myself and set a goal of 5 assists/game and a shooting % in the high 40's (which would mean better shot selection) . I think he's been showing that this is possible, and not only will guys like Gallo and KP will benefit, but Melo will face fewer double teams, so he can be more successful scoring.

Also heard some talk show guys talking about a two man game with Anthony and KP playing off each other. I know some had the midrange shot, but these guys should work well together 17 feet and in.


A lot to think about...hopefully things continue to evolve for this team and we're not just going through an early season optimism stage.

I didn't think KP would have too many problems in the post, because the old school centers like Shaq or bruisers like Barkley were phasing out. KP thin frame and all around game is now the norm. So he's entering the league at the right time.


Yeah...this is true. The game has changed. Might be different if he was a 5, but he seems to be on target to become strong enough to play there at some point.

Even some of the stronger looking PFs are weak down low offensively.

Specialization trumps the complete game, I suppose.

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11/20/2015  11:54 AM
"And Amar’e Stoudemire has not been shy about taking pot shots at his former teammate’s unwillingness to share the ball." LMAO what a joke. You can count on one hand how many times that dude passed the ball in a single game. Talk about ball-stopper?

As for Grant Hill, he doesn't annoy me like a lot of the other analysts, so I'm happy to hear it from him.

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11/20/2015  12:12 PM
herkyJerky wrote:"And Amar’e Stoudemire has not been shy about taking pot shots at his former teammate’s unwillingness to share the ball." LMAO what a joke. You can count on one hand how many times that dude passed the ball in a single game. Talk about ball-stopper?

As for Grant Hill, he doesn't annoy me like a lot of the other analysts, so I'm happy to hear it from him.

what was funny is the interview that quote came from. Amare was asked if he could name the 10 guys who have assists from his scoring. Obviously he got Nash and Felton quickly, but when he said "I know it wasnt Melo, he never passed" and the guy was like yea.. actually Melo is #8 on the list.
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11/20/2015  3:12 PM
fishmike wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:"And Amar’e Stoudemire has not been shy about taking pot shots at his former teammate’s unwillingness to share the ball." LMAO what a joke. You can count on one hand how many times that dude passed the ball in a single game. Talk about ball-stopper?

As for Grant Hill, he doesn't annoy me like a lot of the other analysts, so I'm happy to hear it from him.

what was funny is the interview that quote came from. Amare was asked if he could name the 10 guys who have assists from his scoring. Obviously he got Nash and Felton quickly, but when he said "I know it wasnt Melo, he never passed" and the guy was like yea.. actually Melo is #8 on the list.

Hahahaaaaa. Nice.

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11/20/2015  3:19 PM
herkyJerky wrote:"And Amar’e Stoudemire has not been shy about taking pot shots at his former teammate’s unwillingness to share the ball." LMAO what a joke. You can count on one hand how many times that dude passed the ball in a single game. Talk about ball-stopper?

As for Grant Hill, he doesn't annoy me like a lot of the other analysts, so I'm happy to hear it from him.

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11/20/2015  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2015  3:50 PM
fishmike wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/11/19/how-carmelo-isnt-pulling-another-jeremy-lin-with-porzingis/

The coexistence of Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis in the Garden spotlight has been a success thus far. Now it has to last.

The Latvian rookie has become an instant fan favorite after hearing draft-night boos and is the biggest reason for optimism after a last season’s dreadful 17-65 campaign. Anthony has found his footing after a slow start following knee surgery last season and has played a significant part in the team’s modest, yet noteworthy, 6-6 beginning.

Anthony has received criticism outside the organization for how he treated Jeremy Lin during/after the Linsanity craze. And Amar’e Stoudemire has not been shy about taking pot shots at his former teammate’s unwillingness to share the ball.

“I think he’s trying what he can do to win and trusting his teammates and the talent,” NBA TV analyst Grant Hill said of Anthony.

“And so, it is good to see. He could easily say we are going through a rebuilding stage. There’s a lot of new faces, but he’s got the support. [Langston] Galloway has been huge and [Anthony has] been picking and choosing his spots. What I like is that he’s making good basketball plays and balancing that with his aggressiveness. I’ve been impressed with what I’ve seen.”

But it’s Porzingis who has been on the receiving end of the Garden’s “MVP” chants and featured on back pages. Anthony has been nothing but gracious and supportive of Porzingis in comments.

“I like his toughness, his willingness to get in there and mix it up,” Hill said of Porzingis, who had 29 points and 11 rebounds Tuesday against the Hornets, while Anthony — rather quietly — had 18 points, 11 rebounds and five assists.

“He’s had some good putbacks. He’s a player. The key things for the Knicks is that they continue to work hard and believe in themselves, not get too full of themselves. It has been one of the pleasant surprises this year.”

While most are just getting to know Porzingis, Fran Fraschilla, who went from St. John’s coach to ESPN’s foreign scout, has been salivating over the big man’s talent for some time.

“You can tell the kid wants to be in New York, he wants the pressure and people are finding out he’s a little tougher than we thought,” Fraschilla said. “He’s 20 percent of what he’s going to be in five years — that’s the scary thought. He’s not even right for that offense right now because everything goes through Carmelo. At a certain point in his career, he’s going to be the focal point and he’ll be a superstar.”

That’s why Fraschilla was one of the few who thought the Knicks were wise to use the No. 4 pick on the European, even though it was widely unpopular among fans, while ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith nearly had a stroke over the selection.

“You go into the NBA. It’s a man’s league and that’s why so many rookies struggle. But he did a lot of his struggling as a young player in the [Spanish] ACB League,” Fraschilla said.

“We saw that toughness and he wasn’t going to back away from rough physical play and it’s serving him well right now.”


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Read the 4th article and it's a good read on Melo's improved defense.

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11/20/2015  3:52 PM
We are so desperate for him to improve that only 1 more assist a game and just a little defense and we are thrilled. Battered fan syndrome

Its like that kid that always makes tons troubles and he behaves ok for a couple of days ...

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/20/2015  4:17 PM
mreinman wrote:We are so desperate for him to improve that only 1 more assist a game and just a little defense and we are thrilled. Battered fan syndrome

Its like that kid that always makes tons troubles and he behaves ok for a couple of days ...

be fair.. he was already an all star, so when your asking all star players to make changes to their game for the benefit of the team, and they do its significant, even if the change is minor.

When James Harden actually played defense it was like the world stopped.

When Chicago, Houston and LA all courted Melo it wasnt with the caveat that he would change his game. It was for the guy whos played in 10 all star games, bla bla bla

When you get an established star to adjust his game for the benefit of the team it speaks volumes of the player, the coaching and the culture. This is not the norm. Give Melo, Phil and Fisher credit. The best improvements a team can make are from within, as those dont cost anything. This is significant.

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(Melo/Gallo/KP love) praise from around the league continues, this time from Grant Hill

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