that is incredible: zero fast break points and yet you allow 24 fast break points. that's not coaching that's personnel... which i suppose goes back to the coaching again?

kp just blows me away how effective a defender he is, and how he seems to learn from one play to the next. for those who want him to stay out of foul trouble i have one suggestion: so long as calderon is out there do not get your hopes up. fisher HAS TO make a decision since the knicks are better whenever kp is out there. two of kp's fouls were DIRECTLY sourced in calderon's non-perimeter defense.

melo i just don't get it with him or maybe i do: he is mentally weak, very very weak. and he, like lbj, has aged. this is fisher's challenge: how do you get him to stop degenerating into a playground chucker when there are only so many face-saving timeouts he can call? four out of five games. don't care about the rebounds. i DO care about his assists. however more important than assists is his usage to assist rate ratio. it will be interesting to see the box score on basketballreference.com in the morning. my guess is that his ratio is over 2:1, instead of 1.4:1 which is what you want from him in the triangle. we shall see. meanwhile, bad shots are bad shots. seems clear that 25% of his shots are bad shots. tonight he takes 18 shots-- that is good... but i think i counted 4 bad, momentum killing, spirit snuffing, shots. if he shoots 22 times, that number goes up to 5-6 bad shots. this aspect of his game needs to be tightened up, even as he grows more collegial with the ball.

lopez again floor impact is minimal. he seems kind of lost out there on both ends of the court.

calderon/vujacic ugh

o'quinn love this guy's game but his lack of athleticism/foot speed is a liability. something to watch.

williams he needs a good dose of guile and misdirection. telegraphs passes. the three looks promising. he started playing late in life and it kind of shows.

galloway he looks to have the clutch gene but tonight he seemed a bit out of sorts. is that on fisher?

grant he really has no business taking long-range jumpshots but i guess this is part of the process and growing pains. but he absolutely needs to finish better around the basket. what's up with that tonight?

dk7th wrote:it's hard to imagine but kristaps porzingis is showing that he serves as the ballast to this team. not only that but he and melo have good chemistry.... if melo can just stick with that. as to the game-- we have zero transition defense. anyone want to hazard a guess why? also, no fast break points either.

that is incredible: zero fast break points and yet you allow 24 fast break points. that's not coaching that's personnel... which i suppose goes back to the coaching again?

kp just blows me away how effective a defender he is, and how he seems to learn from one play to the next. for those who want him to stay out of foul trouble i have one suggestion: so long as calderon is out there do not get your hopes up. fisher HAS TO make a decision since the knicks are better whenever kp is out there. two of kp's fouls were DIRECTLY sourced in calderon's non-perimeter defense.

melo i just don't get it with him or maybe i do: he is mentally weak, very very weak.

and he, like lbj, has aged.

this is fisher's challenge: how do you get him to stop degenerating into a playground chucker when there are only so many face-saving timeouts he can call? four out of five games. don't care about the rebounds. i DO care about his assists. however more important than assists is his usage to assist rate ratio. it will be interesting to see the box score on basketballreference.com in the morning. my guess is that his ratio is over 2:1, instead of 1.4:1 which is what you want from him in the triangle. we shall see. meanwhile, bad shots are bad shots. seems clear that 25% of his shots are bad shots. tonight he takes 18 shots-- that is good... but i think i counted 4 bad, momentum killing, spirit snuffing, shots. if he shoots 22 times, that number goes up to 5-6 bad shots. this aspect of his game needs to be tightened up, even as he grows more collegial with the ball.

lopez again floor impact is minimal. he seems kind of lost out there on both ends of the court.

calderon/vujacic ugh

o'quinn love this guy's game but his lack of athleticism/foot speed is a liability. something to watch.

williams he needs a good dose of guile and misdirection. telegraphs passes. the three looks promising. he started playing late in life and it kind of shows.

galloway he looks to have the clutch gene but tonight he seemed a bit out of sorts. is that on fisher?

grant he really has no business taking long-range jumpshots but i guess this is part of the process and growing pains. but he absolutely needs to finish better around the basket. what's up with that tonight?

You really need to get over this thinking. Melo is 5 games back from major surgery and lebron, although hurt, is pacing himself. He's smart and knows he can rely on his teammates early in the year and coast a little. He still looks like a freak going up for every dunk. You very easily confuse injuries and returning from injuries with "aging." Yes they are getting older, but at the same rate of everyone else in the world, one day at a time.

dk7th wrote:it's hard to imagine but kristaps porzingis is showing that he serves as the ballast to this team. not only that but he and melo have good chemistry.... if melo can just stick with that. as to the game-- we have zero transition defense. anyone want to hazard a guess why? also, no fast break points either.

that is incredible: zero fast break points and yet you allow 24 fast break points. that's not coaching that's personnel... which i suppose goes back to the coaching again?

kp just blows me away how effective a defender he is, and how he seems to learn from one play to the next. for those who want him to stay out of foul trouble i have one suggestion: so long as calderon is out there do not get your hopes up. fisher HAS TO make a decision since the knicks are better whenever kp is out there. two of kp's fouls were DIRECTLY sourced in calderon's non-perimeter defense.

melo i just don't get it with him or maybe i do: he is mentally weak, very very weak. and he, like lbj, has aged. this is fisher's challenge: how do you get him to stop degenerating into a playground chucker when there are only so many face-saving timeouts he can call? four out of five games. don't care about the rebounds. i DO care about his assists. however more important than assists is his usage to assist rate ratio. it will be interesting to see the box score on basketballreference.com in the morning. my guess is that his ratio is over 2:1, instead of 1.4:1 which is what you want from him in the triangle. we shall see. meanwhile, bad shots are bad shots. seems clear that 25% of his shots are bad shots. tonight he takes 18 shots-- that is good... but i think i counted 4 bad, momentum killing, spirit snuffing, shots. if he shoots 22 times, that number goes up to 5-6 bad shots. this aspect of his game needs to be tightened up, even as he grows more collegial with the ball.

lopez again floor impact is minimal. he seems kind of lost out there on both ends of the court.

calderon/vujacic ugh

o'quinn love this guy's game but his lack of athleticism/foot speed is a liability. something to watch.

williams he needs a good dose of guile and misdirection. telegraphs passes. the three looks promising. he started playing late in life and it kind of shows.

galloway he looks to have the clutch gene but tonight he seemed a bit out of sorts. is that on fisher?

grant he really has no business taking long-range jumpshots but i guess this is part of the process and growing pains. but he absolutely needs to finish better around the basket. what's up with that tonight?

Spot on analysis.

KP after 5 games at this point is our Team MVP. More floor impact than Melo already and anyone else on the team.

He's our best true "2 way player". Our Kawhi. Blocking Lebron, Facial dunking on Love...we as Knicks fans are truly blessed to have this kid.

Just has to grow some more, stop committing terrible fouls, and not get sat on by Melo "accidentally".

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:it's hard to imagine but kristaps porzingis is showing that he serves as the ballast to this team. not only that but he and melo have good chemistry.... if melo can just stick with that. as to the game-- we have zero transition defense. anyone want to hazard a guess why? also, no fast break points either.

that is incredible: zero fast break points and yet you allow 24 fast break points. that's not coaching that's personnel... which i suppose goes back to the coaching again?

kp just blows me away how effective a defender he is, and how he seems to learn from one play to the next. for those who want him to stay out of foul trouble i have one suggestion: so long as calderon is out there do not get your hopes up. fisher HAS TO make a decision since the knicks are better whenever kp is out there. two of kp's fouls were DIRECTLY sourced in calderon's non-perimeter defense.

melo i just don't get it with him or maybe i do: he is mentally weak, very very weak. and he, like lbj, has aged. this is fisher's challenge: how do you get him to stop degenerating into a playground chucker when there are only so many face-saving timeouts he can call? four out of five games. don't care about the rebounds. i DO care about his assists. however more important than assists is his usage to assist rate ratio. it will be interesting to see the box score on basketballreference.com in the morning. my guess is that his ratio is over 2:1, instead of 1.4:1 which is what you want from him in the triangle. we shall see. meanwhile, bad shots are bad shots. seems clear that 25% of his shots are bad shots. tonight he takes 18 shots-- that is good... but i think i counted 4 bad, momentum killing, spirit snuffing, shots. if he shoots 22 times, that number goes up to 5-6 bad shots. this aspect of his game needs to be tightened up, even as he grows more collegial with the ball.

lopez again floor impact is minimal. he seems kind of lost out there on both ends of the court.

calderon/vujacic ugh

o'quinn love this guy's game but his lack of athleticism/foot speed is a liability. something to watch.

williams he needs a good dose of guile and misdirection. telegraphs passes. the three looks promising. he started playing late in life and it kind of shows.

galloway he looks to have the clutch gene but tonight he seemed a bit out of sorts. is that on fisher?

grant he really has no business taking long-range jumpshots but i guess this is part of the process and growing pains. but he absolutely needs to finish better around the basket. what's up with that tonight?

Spot on analysis.

KP after 5 games at this point is our Team MVP. More floor impact than Melo already and anyone else on the team.

He's our best true "2 way player". Our Kawhi. Blocking Lebron, Facial dunking on Love...we as Knicks fans are truly blessed to have this kid.

Just has to grow some more, stop committing terrible fouls, and not get sat on by Melo "accidentally".

FYI jose calderon had zero personal fouls and sasha vujacic had zero personal fouls. meanwhile kp had 5 personal fouls. by my reckoning two of those 5 personal fouls were picked up because calderon would not commit a personal foul once he got beat, like an arm grab or something/anything. to me that is selfishness and unforgivable, especially when it is clear that kp has to be out there for the knicks to be successful.

take a look at the advanced stats form last night:

                     Adva Adva Adva Adva  Adva Adva Adva Adva Adva Adva Adva Adva  Adva Adva  Adva
Starters                MP  TS% eFG% 3PAr   FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG% ORtg  DRtg
Carmelo Anthony      36:50 .430 .389 .278  .222  5.4 32.6 17.8 20.7  1.4  4.7  4.8  26.4   96    97
Jose Calderon        29:01 .200 .200 .200  .000  3.4  8.3  5.6 26.4  0.0  0.0 16.7   9.7   75   110
Robin Lopez          28:19 .333 .333 .000  .000  3.5 12.7  7.7 12.1  0.0  0.0 25.0  19.8   61   109
Sasha Vujacic        21:50 .450 .450 .500  .000  0.0 22.0 10.0  0.0  0.0  0.0 16.7  25.7   72   107
Kristaps Porzingis   20:39 .591 .591 .364  .000  4.8 17.4 10.6 12.2  5.0  8.3  0.0  24.9  121    91
Reserves                MP  TS% eFG% 3PAr   FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG% ORtg  DRtg
Langston Galloway    28:32 .607 .611 .556  .222  7.0  8.4  7.6  0.0  3.6  0.0  9.2  17.8  113   103
Kyle OQuinn          19:01 .667 .667 .167  .000  5.3 25.2 14.3 11.0  2.7  9.0 25.0  19.7  100    93
Jerian Grant         16:37 .393 .000 .400 1.200  0.0  7.2  3.3 17.5  0.0  0.0  0.0  21.5   99   110
Lance Thomas         15:26 .291 .333 .000  .333  6.5  0.0  3.5 10.4  0.0  0.0 22.5  13.5   65   112
Derrick Williams     10:56 .717 .625 .250  .500  0.0 22.0 10.0  0.0  0.0  0.0 17.0  25.2  116   106
Kevin Seraphin        9:32 .500 .500 .000  .000  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  9.0  0.0  19.6   99   106
Cleanthony Early      3:17                       0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0        0.0        113
Team Totals            240 .475 .440 .286  .179 18.8 77.5 45.5 48.5  6.4 12.5 11.7 100.0 92.2 102.9

what jumps out is the offensive and defensive rating for kp. and his ts%

look at melo's usage to assist ratio.... it's shockingly good even as his ts% is shockingly bad. so melo did in fact share the ball adequately, which i find mildly surprising. but for all the sharing he did, he undermined or zero-summed it with just horrible chucking. interestingly, too, is his defensive rating, which is 3rd highest behind o'quinn and and kp.

but look again at the offensive and defensive rating of calderon and vujacic, and yes, lopez. that was a huge problem.

fishmike wrote:So lets write a recap... what fluff can I surround my I-wish-TFK-was-still-here-to-wank-over-how-much-I-hate-Melo comments. May the circle jerk begin.

Funny.. I looked at the stats so far. Even shooting 37% Melo is 2nd on the team with a .181 WS/48 behind Galloway who's shooting is not sustainable. But dont let logic get in the way. Go get the vaseline and enjoy

+ 1 - Last night was a strong all around effort from him. He took some bad shots but with some of the lineups they put him on the floor with (mainly the starting backcourt with ROLO) they are basically asking him to do so.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:So lets write a recap... what fluff can I surround my I-wish-TFK-was-still-here-to-wank-over-how-much-I-hate-Melo comments. May the circle jerk begin.

Funny.. I looked at the stats so far. Even shooting 37% Melo is 2nd on the team with a .181 WS/48 behind Galloway who's shooting is not sustainable. But dont let logic get in the way. Go get the vaseline and enjoy

to the degree that ws/48 relies on PER, and to the degree that PER rewards volume shooting, [which it does and is also, no surprise, melo's specialty], to an equal and inverse degree it undermines your argument.

Then Melo would always have high ws/48 which he doesn't and was one of the knocks on him in the past especially when people created reasons to why he wasn't worth a max contract.

Melo played 36.5 mins yesterday. At the 30 min mark Melo was 5-13, 10 rebs, 4 ast, 0 TOs, 2 blks, 1 stls. He played a good game yesterday. The 1-5 in the last 6mins of the game was again Melo in desperation to try and make something happen and he can get knocked for that it is what it is. But he was far from a guy who depended on volume last night.

He held a 26.7 usage to 20.7 ast ratio, and a 97 defensive rating which is outstanding. And again 13 shots in his first 30mins.

The write-up should be about how much effort Melo put in defensively last night, and on the boards.

BTW, Jordan used to have lots of games like this. Rebounding, getting to the line and keep shooting.
Melo is not Lebron or Jordan. I thought Melo rebounded well and passed. When guys don't hit shots, the Alpha will.

fishmike wrote:So lets write a recap... what fluff can I surround my I-wish-TFK-was-still-here-to-wank-over-how-much-I-hate-Melo comments. May the circle jerk begin.

Funny.. I looked at the stats so far. Even shooting 37% Melo is 2nd on the team with a .181 WS/48 behind Galloway who's shooting is not sustainable. But dont let logic get in the way. Go get the vaseline and enjoy

+1. Every poor shooting game from Melo will bring a new post-game analysis discussing how he's old, looks aged, way past his prime, never going to get it, low bball IQ, and a head-case, etc. Should be a fun year. At least we have the development of Porzingis to enjoy and all agree on.

When he develops a strong game in the post at some point in the next few years, the offense will probably be run through him as he commands double teams.

All the guys who talk about the new world of 3 pt shot dominance seem to overlook the fact that a strong offensive presence down low frees up 3 pt shooters just as much a penetrating PG.

Still willing to cut Anthony some slack because of his recovery, but it does annoy me that he seems unwilling to accept the fact that the injury does not allow him to do certain things at this point in the season. I will also continue to harp on the fact that he should have been shut down and gotten the operation sooner rather than later. This is on Melo, Phil, and, I expect, a guy named Dolan. It is having an impact on this season, and it bothers me that it is on my mind all the time, but as long as he is still in the recovery process I'm going to be thinking about it.

I would think of giving Melo a game off every now and then, a la SA. Seems to be a good idea at this point.

Sasha looked pretty good yesterday- definitely not the reason for the loss.

Calderon should be getting 15 MPG at this point...and he should be coming off the bench.

Two defensive technicals for Lopez. Can't lose awareness on the court. Part of this stems from his concern with penetrating guards, I would assume.

Gallo looked solid for the most part...he is at his best playing within the flow of the offense and not forcing things. Thee was a 3 pt shot he should have taken later in the game, but he passed off. Has to take that shot. Our best perimeter defender by a large margin, IMO.

Grant still has these up and down games common to most rookies...I still get the feeling that he is holding back in terms of being the assertive player he was in college. Eventually things will come together for him...maybe that will happen when he replaces Jose at some point, and knows he is going to get consistent playing time even if he makes some rookie mistakes.

We're learning more and more about individual players and what they can and can't do as the season progresses...at some point Fisher will have to do more than just learn, he will have to make lineup and rotation changes based on what he's leaned.