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Knicks now vs. Knicks 5 years ago
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Knixkik
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10/30/2015  4:08 PM
Exactly 5 years ago we had a team with a similar structure to what we see now. Amare, like Melo, was our star, and a player in his prime with a history of injuries. He was surrounded by a young core consisting of Gallinari, Chandler, surprising rookie Fields, Douglas, and Anthony Randolph. Randolph was still viewed as a player who with a change of scenery had the potential to come into his own and be a very good player. Gallinari was considered to have some star upside who looked like he might break out.

Compare that group to the young core of Porzingis, Grant, Galloway, O'Quinn, and Dwill. Which group do you like more? And do you feel more confident about this team going forward, or the one in the beginning of the 2010/2011 season?

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mreinman
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10/30/2015  4:14 PM
are you kidding?

This team is so much more fun and exciting with great potential to be good long term.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Nalod
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10/30/2015  4:17 PM
Compare that group to the young core of Porzingis, Grant, Galloway, O'Quinn, and Dwill. Which group do you like more? And do you feel more confident about this team going forward, or the one in the beginning of the 2010/2011 season?

This our weekend homework assignment???

Amare had a bad history of problems and doctors thought a contract of 3 years was about it for him. Good call. Melo prognosis to recover is actually pretty good.

KP>Gallo potential. AR was clueless and Dwill is an NBA player. Fields had a nice rookie year in MDA ball and douglas could play good defense. Grant is better than Douglas. Galloway is a better pro. Shy Wilson was better than Early.

Of course Dolan traded them in for melo and the team was unbalanced until now. Our roster is complete with good upside with Dwill, KP and Grant.

We compromised to get AMare and Melo which is why Dolan finally realized he messed up, hire consultants, fired himself and Grunwald and hired a visionary person to build a franchise based on Red Holzman's legacy which so inspired Phil oh so many years ago. This is better than Dolan settling on Wheelchair Donnie and making an idiotic run for Lebron. If PHil was in charge 5 years ago Lebron might have thought otherwise. One never knows.

SwishAndDish13
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10/30/2015  4:23 PM
Fields never was going to amount to anything in the NBA. Not selling high on him was a failure and big setback by the Knicks. They similarly overvalued Shump. It was pretty standard from the regime. They were incapable of valuing players.
Knixkik
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10/30/2015  5:17 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Fields never was going to amount to anything in the NBA. Not selling high on him was a failure and big setback by the Knicks. They similarly overvalued Shump. It was pretty standard from the regime. They were incapable of valuing players.

I am not sure how Fields and Shumpert were that overvalued. I think the true issue here that tends to get overlooked with these knicks teams of the past 5-7 years is lack of player development. Fields was a guy who at 22 years old was one of the best rebounding wings in the league, was a near 40% 3-point shooter, and had a knack for getting wherever he wanted on the floor and reading plays. He was able to put up 15+ points and 10+ rebounds and knock down 3s on any given night, and was starting on a .500 team. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn't have improved from his rookie year, become more efficient, and add parts to his game. He probably didn't have star potential, but to regress each year until he is no longer an NBA player is not excusable. Same with Shump, who was best as an offensive player as a rookie, while showing incredible upside on the defensive end. He regressed on offense, became a good defender, but not the all-nba defender he could have been, and is nothing more than an oft-injured solid role player. We should have sold high on them because of our inability to develop players. And even more-so, not trading Fields and Lin, and not having the foresight to know we weren't going to resign them, was the biggest mistake of all. It depleted us of our top two assets at the time, giving us nothing in return. I never had any issues taking the gamble and making the short-sighted run in 2012-2013, but if you are going to do that, at least have enough foresight to plan ahead and recoup a little value for Lin and Fields.

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