GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.

And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.

callmened wrote:i heard vujevic and jose will be starting in the backcourt. lol. with melo on the wing. poor lopez, hes gonna lose his mind fouling out when guards repeatedly drive to the rim. lol

Tyson redux?

callmened wrote:i heard vujevic and jose will be starting in the backcourt. lol. with melo on the wing. poor lopez, hes gonna lose his mind fouling out when guards repeatedly drive to the rim. lol

thats why they paid him 12 mill per, i certainly don't expect him to avg more the 9 points

herkyJerky wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.

And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.

Grant is better than Pablo was (when we got him) at driving and dishing. Pablo was great at keeping the ball moving, mostly around the perimeter, but he couldnt consistently set up teammates the way Grant has already shown he is able. Grant can also take it to the rim, something Pablo was allergic to, so I dont believe the comparison is accurate. Grant is also a better defender, and I dont see him passing up shots the way that Pablo did to a fault.

Kidd not only stopped hitting his shots but he also ran out of gas, and couldnt keep up defensively. I dont see Grant being a liabilty on defense. His shot looked a little better in his last game, and I expect him to keep it up.

Right, Grant IS more willing to take shots than Pablo was, but Calderon's jump shot is still much better than Grant's. THAT was my point, and that was why I was comparing Calderon to Pablo, not Grant to Pablo. I guess I wasn't clear enough about that.

As I said in the last gamethread, when Calderon is hitting his shots the Knicks can be competitive, but once his shots stop falling, the weaknesses in his game become more glaring, and the offense stagnates.

I dont mind Calderon beginning the season as starter, but by January, if Grant looks like he is ready to start then I hope he does. We learned with Kidd that you want to monitor the minutes of your veteran PGs if you want them to have something left for the playoffs. If Calderon can do a decent job of feeding our big men in the paint, which will open up space for the shooters, I will be very happy.

GustavBahler wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.

And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.

Grant is better than Pablo was (when we got him) at driving and dishing. Pablo was great at keeping the ball moving, mostly around the perimeter, but he couldnt consistently set up teammates the way Grant has already shown he is able. Grant can also take it to the rim, something Pablo was allergic to, so I dont believe the comparison is accurate. Grant is also a better defender, and I dont see him passing up shots the way that Pablo did to a fault.

Kidd not only stopped hitting his shots but he also ran out of gas, and couldnt keep up defensively. I dont see Grant being a liabilty on defense. His shot looked a little better in his last game, and I expect him to keep it up.

Right, Grant IS more willing to take shots than Pablo was, but Calderon's jump shot is still much better than Grant's. THAT was my point, and that was why I was comparing Calderon to Pablo, not Grant to Pablo. I guess I wasn't clear enough about that.

As I said in the last gamethread, when Calderon is hitting his shots the Knicks can be competitive, but once his shots stop falling, the weaknesses in his game become more glaring, and the offense stagnates.

I dont mind Calderon beginning the season as starter, but by January, if Grant looks like he is ready to start then I hope he does. We learned with Kidd that you want to monitor the minutes of your veteran PGs if you want them to have something left for the playoffs. If Calderon can do a decent job of feeding our big men in the paint, which will open up space for the shooters, I will be very happy.

Yeah, I can't argue with any of that. I'm also hoping that Grant is ready at some point during this season. That would be fun. But I have a feeling that Calderon isn't going to be seeing too many minutes anyway, at least not typical starting PG kind of minutes. I don't think Fisher is interested in grinding him at all. That would be destructive on a lot of levels, especially if they do in fact have any kind of trade plans involved with him. But we'll just have to see.

GustavBahler wrote:Nice article on how Calderon is mentoring Grant, and how the Knicks are taking care of their rooks. Cant copy and paste from ipad.

http://espn.go.com/newyork/nba/story/_/id/13998366/nba-newyork-knicks-point-guards-jose-calderon-jerian-grant-develop-mentor-relationship

This is the kind of "Culture" type things one would hope can occur in the new era. Jose got his money and the end of his career can choose to be a diva or be part of a team effort and enjoy his job.