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With Afflalo out, I'd sort of lean towards starting Grant and Galloway
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10/25/2015  2:24 PM
Instead of starting Jose and Sasha. They're just going to be the slowest backcourt in the league.

With Afflalo healthy, I'd start Grant and Afflalo and have Galloway be the third guard. Spot minutes for Calderon and situational minutes for Sasha.

Galloway and Grant give you D, offense, Galloway shoots well from outside, Grant slashes and creates space and easy baskets for his cutters.

I know it is early to do this, but I think the three guards who play the most should be Galloway, Grant and Afflalo. They should each get around 30mpg if healthy.

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10/25/2015  2:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:Instead of starting Jose and Sasha. They're just going to be the slowest backcourt in the league.

With Afflalo healthy, I'd start Grant and Afflalo and have Galloway be the third guard. Spot minutes for Calderon and situational minutes for Sasha.

Galloway and Grant give you D, offense, Galloway shoots well from outside, Grant slashes and creates space and easy baskets for his cutters.

I know it is early to do this, but I think the three guards who play the most should be Galloway, Grant and Afflalo. They should each get around 30mpg if healthy.

I think Fisher will start Sasha with Jose. He seems to like to keep his first and second units intact. Not sure if that is the best way to go but it explains why Thomas, while not a rotation player, starts when KP is out instead of Williams or O'Quinn.
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10/25/2015  2:32 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Instead of starting Jose and Sasha. They're just going to be the slowest backcourt in the league.

With Afflalo healthy, I'd start Grant and Afflalo and have Galloway be the third guard. Spot minutes for Calderon and situational minutes for Sasha.

Galloway and Grant give you D, offense, Galloway shoots well from outside, Grant slashes and creates space and easy baskets for his cutters.

I know it is early to do this, but I think the three guards who play the most should be Galloway, Grant and Afflalo. They should each get around 30mpg if healthy.

I think Fisher will start Sasha with Jose. He seems to like to keep his first and second units intact. Not sure if that is the best way to go but it explains why Thomas, while not a rotation player, starts when KP is out instead of Williams or O'Quinn.

Unless they're planning to do a full five men in five men out platoon with the second unit, I don't get that.

Galloway and Grant have clearly outplayed Sasha and Jose at this point.

I suppose I'm okay starting Jose and Sasha, but I hope they play fewer than 20 minutes.

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10/25/2015  2:37 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:Instead of starting Jose and Sasha. They're just going to be the slowest backcourt in the league.

With Afflalo healthy, I'd start Grant and Afflalo and have Galloway be the third guard. Spot minutes for Calderon and situational minutes for Sasha.

Galloway and Grant give you D, offense, Galloway shoots well from outside, Grant slashes and creates space and easy baskets for his cutters.

I know it is early to do this, but I think the three guards who play the most should be Galloway, Grant and Afflalo. They should each get around 30mpg if healthy.

I think Fisher will start Sasha with Jose. He seems to like to keep his first and second units intact. Not sure if that is the best way to go but it explains why Thomas, while not a rotation player, starts when KP is out instead of Williams or O'Quinn.

Unless they're planning to do a full five men in five men out platoon with the second unit, I don't get that.

Galloway and Grant have clearly outplayed Sasha and Jose at this point.

I suppose I'm okay starting Jose and Sasha, but I hope they play fewer than 20 minutes.


Galloway and Grant have outplayed them, not really a tough task as both sassha and Calderon are awful players, but G and G arent starters either at this point. I wouldnt trust either against starting NBA competition. We knew our guards were going to be an issue, injuries make it even more to be one.
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10/25/2015  2:38 PM
calderon has to start because he is the best outside shooter the knicks have. the issue is his atrocious defense, for which the only solution is to start galloway, since he is more apt to run the triangle better than grant at this point, and he is a better defender at this point as well.

as long as kp is starting, the knicks will run the triangle more of the time than when he is not on the floor. hence you need triangle-savvy players out there. calderon is triangle-adaptable, becoming more of a shooting threat. galloway is triangle savvy. lopez remains a mystery but needs to be out there if only for rim protection and setting stout picks. having those guys out there will force melo to participate in the triangle as well. you need that ballast so melo doesn't do what he did against the celtics thursday night.

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10/25/2015  2:39 PM
I'd agree. I'd almost wish for Calderon to be bought out just so Fisher can't play him.

My depth chart for the back court would be

Grant
Galloway
Affalo

Then,

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10/25/2015  3:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2015  3:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Instead of starting Jose and Sasha. They're just going to be the slowest backcourt in the league.

With Afflalo healthy, I'd start Grant and Afflalo and have Galloway be the third guard. Spot minutes for Calderon and situational minutes for Sasha.

Galloway and Grant give you D, offense, Galloway shoots well from outside, Grant slashes and creates space and easy baskets for his cutters.

I know it is early to do this, but I think the three guards who play the most should be Galloway, Grant and Afflalo. They should each get around 30mpg if healthy.

I think Fisher will start Sasha with Jose. He seems to like to keep his first and second units intact. Not sure if that is the best way to go but it explains why Thomas, while not a rotation player, starts when KP is out instead of Williams or O'Quinn.

Unless they're planning to do a full five men in five men out platoon with the second unit, I don't get that.

Galloway and Grant have clearly outplayed Sasha and Jose at this point.

I suppose I'm okay starting Jose and Sasha, but I hope they play fewer than 20 minutes.

starting grant of galloway weakens our bench,and none of the starters are fast players, so why would you start a fast pg

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10/25/2015  4:04 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Instead of starting Jose and Sasha. They're just going to be the slowest backcourt in the league.

With Afflalo healthy, I'd start Grant and Afflalo and have Galloway be the third guard. Spot minutes for Calderon and situational minutes for Sasha.

Galloway and Grant give you D, offense, Galloway shoots well from outside, Grant slashes and creates space and easy baskets for his cutters.

I know it is early to do this, but I think the three guards who play the most should be Galloway, Grant and Afflalo. They should each get around 30mpg if healthy.

I think Fisher will start Sasha with Jose. He seems to like to keep his first and second units intact. Not sure if that is the best way to go but it explains why Thomas, while not a rotation player, starts when KP is out instead of Williams or O'Quinn.

Unless they're planning to do a full five men in five men out platoon with the second unit, I don't get that.

Galloway and Grant have clearly outplayed Sasha and Jose at this point.

I suppose I'm okay starting Jose and Sasha, but I hope they play fewer than 20 minutes.

starting grant of galloway weakens our bench,and none of the starters are fast players, so why would you start a fast pg

Maybe they cant run like the second unit, but Grant is very good at driving and dishing in a half court set. A bunch of the dunks we saw in the preseason was from Grant penetrating and finding a big under the rim. I dont know if he is ready to handle the starting job yet, but I do believe that it shouldn't be too long before he is. Grant has shown himself to be a smart player to this point.
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10/25/2015  4:22 PM
May the better players get more minutes...especially when it counts.

Things will sort themselves out the season progresses.


Of interest...

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10/25/2015  6:56 PM
It is time to reevaluate the projected staring 5 now that AA will not be available. We can't afford the slow tempo Calderon will provide, nor the lack of defense we know will exist from the back court. Start both Grant and Galloway or grant and play Calderon at the SG spot. I would even consider starting Williams along side of Carmelo at the SG spot, with grant as PG
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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10/25/2015  6:57 PM
It is time to reevaluate the projected staring 5 now that AA will not be available. We can't afford the slow tempo Calderon will provide, nor the lack of defense we know will exist from the back court. Start both Grant and Galloway or grant and play Calderon at the SG spot. I would even consider starting Williams along side of Carmelo at the SG spot, with grant as PG
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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10/25/2015  7:18 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:May the better players get more minutes...especially when it counts.

Things will sort themselves out the season progresses.


Of interest...

Yep. Saw that. That was my impetus to start the thread.

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10/25/2015  8:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2015  8:32 PM
dk7th wrote:calderon has to start because he is the best outside shooter the knicks have. the issue is his atrocious defense, for which the only solution is to start galloway, since he is more apt to run the triangle better than grant at this point, and he is a better defender at this point as well.

as long as kp is starting, the knicks will run the triangle more of the time than when he is not on the floor. hence you need triangle-savvy players out there. calderon is triangle-adaptable, becoming more of a shooting threat. galloway is triangle savvy. lopez remains a mystery but needs to be out there if only for rim protection and setting stout picks. having those guys out there will force melo to participate in the triangle as well. you need that ballast so melo doesn't do what he did against the celtics thursday night.

This is pretty much spot on. I would add that in addition to being a deep threat, Calderon makes excellent decisions with the ball on offense. Obv his on ball defense is his main flaw, and a big concern for the Knicks.
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10/25/2015  10:47 PM
Our problem in the last few years has been getting down big in the 1st period - 10 or 20 points - then fighting back.

I see this trend happening again.
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10/25/2015  10:53 PM
I would start grant and calderon.
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10/25/2015  11:31 PM
franco12 wrote:Our problem in the last few years has been getting down big in the 1st period - 10 or 20 points - then fighting back.

I see this trend happening again.

I agree. I think our starters will get outplayed and we won't get back in the game til Galloway and Grant come in with Kyle O'Quinn and Derrick Williams.

Our starting lineup just seems like it's the starting lineup for a mediocre 90s era team. The parts are okay, but they just seem like they'll play slow and not defend very well.

I think Grant will naturally supplant Calderon by the end of the season.

I don't think Fisher will bench Calderon very quickly - I think Calderon will start, but I just think the team stands more of a chance with both Galloway and Grant on the floor and playing more minutes than Calderon.

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10/26/2015  1:39 AM
If anything, other than starting white mamba at the 2, I would slide Galloway up to the starting SG position next to Calderon, even though I am very much against the idea of breaking up the Grant/Gallo backcourt combination for the 2nd unit. It would be one of the following two situations:
a. 1st unit: Calderon and Sasha/2nd unit: Grant and Gallo
b. 1st unit: Calderon and Gallo/2nd unit: Grant and Sasha
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10/26/2015  11:11 AM
herkyJerky wrote:If anything, other than starting white mamba at the 2, I would slide Galloway up to the starting SG position next to Calderon, even though I am very much against the idea of breaking up the Grant/Gallo backcourt combination for the 2nd unit. It would be one of the following two situations:
a. 1st unit: Calderon and Sasha/2nd unit: Grant and Gallo
b. 1st unit: Calderon and Gallo/2nd unit: Grant and Sasha

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10/26/2015  11:40 AM
crzymdups wrote:
franco12 wrote:Our problem in the last few years has been getting down big in the 1st period - 10 or 20 points - then fighting back.

I see this trend happening again.

I agree. I think our starters will get outplayed and we won't get back in the game til Galloway and Grant come in with Kyle O'Quinn and Derrick Williams.

Our starting lineup just seems like it's the starting lineup for a mediocre 90s era team. The parts are okay, but they just seem like they'll play slow and not defend very well.

I think Grant will naturally supplant Calderon by the end of the season.

I don't think Fisher will bench Calderon very quickly - I think Calderon will start, but I just think the team stands more of a chance with both Galloway and Grant on the floor and playing more minutes than Calderon.

simple fact is our guard rotation is not deep, and we NEED Calderon to play well. He doesnt have to be anything he isnt, but benching him before the season starts is knee jerk and wont help us. If we are getting outscored because of Jose to start every game Fisher will need to make a change.

Part of the big difference between the starters and bench is the SL looks very robotic running the triangle, where as the bench guys run it less, push in transition more and look better and more free flowing.

Im not sure what the solution is. Probably start Sasha and we will see a ton of Grant and Galloway.

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10/26/2015  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2015  11:56 AM
crzymdups wrote:
franco12 wrote:Our problem in the last few years has been getting down big in the 1st period - 10 or 20 points - then fighting back.

I see this trend happening again.

I agree. I think our starters will get outplayed and we won't get back in the game til Galloway and Grant come in with Kyle O'Quinn and Derrick Williams.

Our starting lineup just seems like it's the starting lineup for a mediocre 90s era team. The parts are okay, but they just seem like they'll play slow and not defend very well.

I think Grant will naturally supplant Calderon by the end of the season.

I don't think Fisher will bench Calderon very quickly - I think Calderon will start, but I just think the team stands more of a chance with both Galloway and Grant on the floor and playing more minutes than Calderon.

Starters are Melo and scrubs... as usual.
Melo should compensate the scrubs.
Is he a superstar or what?
If we will run scrubs alone on second unit we will be stumped...
leave scrubs with Melo for God sake!!!

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