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10/17/2015  10:00 PM
5 Lopez
4 Oquinn
3 Anthony
2 Affalo
1 Galloway

5 Admundson
4 Porzingis
3 Williams
2 Early
1 Grant

seraphin
Calderon
Sasha
Thomas


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10/17/2015  10:03 PM
Thomas is intriguing. He has not shown much to me at all
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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10/18/2015  2:30 AM
Travis Trice is going to be a nice player for this team. Great passer, solid shooter, controlled and disciplined, dogged defender. Great pickup, Phil!
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10/18/2015  4:55 AM
Based on pure play, sure. I think we have to consider chemistry also. (not that you are far off or off there.)

Calderone and Sasha should almost not be out there. Calderon's lack of defense and Sasha's lack everything is a concern.

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10/18/2015  4:57 AM
clyderules wrote:Travis Trice is going to be a nice player for this team. Great passer, solid shooter, controlled and disciplined, dogged defender. Great pickup, Phil!

I missed the 2nd half, curious what happens. I just think we need to cut some players (e.g. Thomas) signed to guarantees and maybe look at someone else.
Anyone else see Travis Trice?

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10/18/2015  6:32 AM
I think based on what we've seen, you can get an idea of what the rotations will be:

Calderon
Afflalo
Melo
Porzingis
RLopez

Grant
Galloway
Early
DWill
O'Quinn

less regular minutes for: Seraphin, Vujacic, Amundson, Thomas
15th man: maybe Antetokounmpo

I think of the starters, KP and Calderon will play under 30 minutes most nights and DWill/O'Quinn and Gallo/Grant will step in to get those minutes.

It's hard to say Porzingis or Calderon haven't earned their spot since we don't see practice. Calderon has looked pretty good running the offense to me.

Grant/Galloway playing together is, to me, a major strength of this team. I do see Galloway closing out a fair number of games over Calderon.

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10/18/2015  11:57 AM
Langston Galloway FAR and away beat out Jose Calderon. He had 15 assists and no TO with 13 rebounds 5 steals. He sht better than 50 % from 3 and his efg was high 50's.

Oquinn is the 2 ir 3 rd best player on the team--he outplayed Porzingis and as a 25 year old vet deserves to start

Lou Admundson deserves to be the 4th big. Seraphin has been hurt and not very good with his time Admundson can play a smaller quicker 5 man in this league

Early has earned a spot in the back end over Lance Thomas. His shot is much improved he looked quick athletic and ready to breakout.

Although Affalo played the least minutes I still like the way he played. Sasha takes many bad shots--he should be 3rd SG or 11-12 man as a three guard set foul trouble etc.

Calderon played decent but hes not better than Galloway and Grant is a lock for 2nd string.

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BRIGGS wrote:Langston Galloway FAR and away beat out Jose Calderon. He had 15 assists and no TO with 13 rebounds 5 steals. He sht better than 50 % from 3 and his efg was high 50's.

Oquinn is the 2 ir 3 rd best player on the team--he outplayed Porzingis and as a 25 year old vet deserves to start

Lou Admundson deserves to be the 4th big. Seraphin has been hurt and not very good with his time Admundson can play a smaller quicker 5 man in this league

Early has earned a spot in the back end over Lance Thomas. His shot is much improved he looked quick athletic and ready to breakout.

Although Affalo played the least minutes I still like the way he played. Sasha takes many bad shots--he should be 3rd SG or 11-12 man as a three guard set foul trouble etc.

Calderon played decent but hes not better than Galloway and Grant is a lock for 2nd string.

What does everyone think of Galloway as a starting PG versus a guard who comes off the bench? I know the system doesn't necessarily need a pure PG but I think it also needs a guard that knows how to set up the offense, push the ball up the court, know where guys like to get the ball, etc. Not saying that Calderon does all of that, but can Gallo do that against first line starters? Baru, Philly, Celtics (sans Marcus Smart), Charlotte. Weak teams.

Love how Gallo has played and it's a big difference from SL. He is playing well, why would you take him out of that comfort zone and potentially mess him all up? Has he really EARNED a promotion based on a few preseason games against weak opponents?

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martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Langston Galloway FAR and away beat out Jose Calderon. He had 15 assists and no TO with 13 rebounds 5 steals. He sht better than 50 % from 3 and his efg was high 50's.

Oquinn is the 2 ir 3 rd best player on the team--he outplayed Porzingis and as a 25 year old vet deserves to start

Lou Admundson deserves to be the 4th big. Seraphin has been hurt and not very good with his time Admundson can play a smaller quicker 5 man in this league

Early has earned a spot in the back end over Lance Thomas. His shot is much improved he looked quick athletic and ready to breakout.

Although Affalo played the least minutes I still like the way he played. Sasha takes many bad shots--he should be 3rd SG or 11-12 man as a three guard set foul trouble etc.

Calderon played decent but hes not better than Galloway and Grant is a lock for 2nd string.

What does everyone think of Galloway as a starting PG versus a guard who comes off the bench? I know the system doesn't necessarily need a pure PG but I think it also needs a guard that knows how to set up the offense, push the ball up the court, know where guys like to get the ball, etc. Not saying that Calderon does all of that, but can Gallo do that against first line starters? Baru, Philly, Celtics (sans Marcus Smart), Charlotte. Weak teams.

Love how Gallo has played and it's a big difference from SL. He is playing well, why would you take him out of that comfort zone and potentially mess him all up? Has he really EARNED a promotion based on a few preseason games against weak opponents?

I think what Fish is doing makes a TON of sense. He's clearly put some thought into his rotation and aside from the health issues that stopped him from running it exactly as he wants he's stuck to the framework of his rotation which is clearly Melo, RoLo, KP, Afflalo and Jose as the starters. This leaves him with a very nice bench of players that are high energy and a major change of pace. It seems to make sense to me. We'll see how it work over the 1st 20 games.
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10/18/2015  12:54 PM
crzymdups wrote:I think based on what we've seen, you can get an idea of what the rotations will be:

Calderon
Afflalo
Melo
Porzingis
RLopez

Grant
Galloway
Early
DWill
O'Quinn

less regular minutes for: Seraphin, Vujacic, Amundson, Thomas
15th man: maybe Antetokounmpo

I think of the starters, KP and Calderon will play under 30 minutes most nights and DWill/O'Quinn and Gallo/Grant will step in to get those minutes.

It's hard to say Porzingis or Calderon haven't earned their spot since we don't see practice. Calderon has looked pretty good running the offense to me.

Grant/Galloway playing together is, to me, a major strength of this team. I do see Galloway closing out a fair number of games over Calderon.

Yeah, that's pretty much the way I'm seeing it too. We might see Early and Seraphin getting swopped in that 2nd unit from game to game though, depending on who we're playing and how we match up. Fisher did mention something about earlier a couple of weeks ago. But we'll see.
Trice, Summers and Atkins I think deserve some development time over in Westchester IMO. Especially Trice. He came out ready to ball straight up against Charlotte.

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10/18/2015  12:57 PM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Langston Galloway FAR and away beat out Jose Calderon. He had 15 assists and no TO with 13 rebounds 5 steals. He sht better than 50 % from 3 and his efg was high 50's.

Oquinn is the 2 ir 3 rd best player on the team--he outplayed Porzingis and as a 25 year old vet deserves to start

Lou Admundson deserves to be the 4th big. Seraphin has been hurt and not very good with his time Admundson can play a smaller quicker 5 man in this league

Early has earned a spot in the back end over Lance Thomas. His shot is much improved he looked quick athletic and ready to breakout.

Although Affalo played the least minutes I still like the way he played. Sasha takes many bad shots--he should be 3rd SG or 11-12 man as a three guard set foul trouble etc.

Calderon played decent but hes not better than Galloway and Grant is a lock for 2nd string.

What does everyone think of Galloway as a starting PG versus a guard who comes off the bench? I know the system doesn't necessarily need a pure PG but I think it also needs a guard that knows how to set up the offense, push the ball up the court, know where guys like to get the ball, etc. Not saying that Calderon does all of that, but can Gallo do that against first line starters? Baru, Philly, Celtics (sans Marcus Smart), Charlotte. Weak teams.

Love how Gallo has played and it's a big difference from SL. He is playing well, why would you take him out of that comfort zone and potentially mess him all up? Has he really EARNED a promotion based on a few preseason games against weak opponents?

I prefer Gallo and Grant running that backcourt for the 2nd unit, at least for the start of the season. They'll have plenty of time to shine in the starting line-up as our aging starting guards get older.

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10/18/2015  1:00 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Langston Galloway FAR and away beat out Jose Calderon. He had 15 assists and no TO with 13 rebounds 5 steals. He sht better than 50 % from 3 and his efg was high 50's.

Oquinn is the 2 ir 3 rd best player on the team--he outplayed Porzingis and as a 25 year old vet deserves to start

Lou Admundson deserves to be the 4th big. Seraphin has been hurt and not very good with his time Admundson can play a smaller quicker 5 man in this league

Early has earned a spot in the back end over Lance Thomas. His shot is much improved he looked quick athletic and ready to breakout.

Although Affalo played the least minutes I still like the way he played. Sasha takes many bad shots--he should be 3rd SG or 11-12 man as a three guard set foul trouble etc.

Calderon played decent but hes not better than Galloway and Grant is a lock for 2nd string.

What does everyone think of Galloway as a starting PG versus a guard who comes off the bench? I know the system doesn't necessarily need a pure PG but I think it also needs a guard that knows how to set up the offense, push the ball up the court, know where guys like to get the ball, etc. Not saying that Calderon does all of that, but can Gallo do that against first line starters? Baru, Philly, Celtics (sans Marcus Smart), Charlotte. Weak teams.

Love how Gallo has played and it's a big difference from SL. He is playing well, why would you take him out of that comfort zone and potentially mess him all up? Has he really EARNED a promotion based on a few preseason games against weak opponents?

I prefer Gallo and Grant running that backcourt for the 2nd unit, at least for the start of the season. They'll have plenty of time to shine in the starting line-up as our aging starting guards get older.


+1 I like him coming off the bench with Grant for now. We have to see how much Calderon falls off when the season starts.
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10/18/2015  1:02 PM
Whether the Knicks struck gold with KP or not will only be determined by playing him with our best against the best. Let's see his stats in the second half of the season.
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So my other thoughts about this thread and particularly starting OQuinn: He has played VERY well off the bench, but does that necessarily translate if moved to the starting position? Good success against second liners does not automatically translate. His range is not like KP's, so that means there will be 2 defenders that can slouch off of their guys with a starting front court of Rolo, KOQ, less lanes to the basket. Also, KOQ has a knack for picking up fouls, is that good or bad? Would it increase if he was in the starting lineup? Can he defend out to the 3 point line as well as KP?
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herkyJerky wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Langston Galloway FAR and away beat out Jose Calderon. He had 15 assists and no TO with 13 rebounds 5 steals. He sht better than 50 % from 3 and his efg was high 50's.

Oquinn is the 2 ir 3 rd best player on the team--he outplayed Porzingis and as a 25 year old vet deserves to start

Lou Admundson deserves to be the 4th big. Seraphin has been hurt and not very good with his time Admundson can play a smaller quicker 5 man in this league

Early has earned a spot in the back end over Lance Thomas. His shot is much improved he looked quick athletic and ready to breakout.

Although Affalo played the least minutes I still like the way he played. Sasha takes many bad shots--he should be 3rd SG or 11-12 man as a three guard set foul trouble etc.

Calderon played decent but hes not better than Galloway and Grant is a lock for 2nd string.

What does everyone think of Galloway as a starting PG versus a guard who comes off the bench? I know the system doesn't necessarily need a pure PG but I think it also needs a guard that knows how to set up the offense, push the ball up the court, know where guys like to get the ball, etc. Not saying that Calderon does all of that, but can Gallo do that against first line starters? Baru, Philly, Celtics (sans Marcus Smart), Charlotte. Weak teams.

Love how Gallo has played and it's a big difference from SL. He is playing well, why would you take him out of that comfort zone and potentially mess him all up? Has he really EARNED a promotion based on a few preseason games against weak opponents?

I prefer Gallo and Grant running that backcourt for the 2nd unit, at least for the start of the season. They'll have plenty of time to shine in the starting line-up as our aging starting guards get older.


+1 I like him coming off the bench with Grant for now. We have to see how much Calderon falls off when the season starts.

Yeah...I like the 2G combo coming off the bench. Put them in with Early, Williams, and O'Quinn and you have an energetic and entertaining second unit.
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10/18/2015  5:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2015  5:48 PM
clyderules wrote:Travis Trice is going to be a nice player for this team. Great passer, solid shooter, controlled and disciplined, dogged defender. Great pickup, Phil!

Man, he looked good, didn't he? I didn't think he'd make the 15-man, although after last night, you figure he's gotta be in contention for that last spot. I'd like to keep and develop all of our end-of-the-bench guys but in particular, they need to hold onto Trice and TA imo. Tough decision all of a sudden -- TA won't accept a DL spot unless he makes the team and his contract is picked up/guaranteed for the season and now all of a sudden, I feel if Trice doesn't make it, we may lose him--I think some team would scoop him up as a backup or 3rd PG on their 15-man. May never even make it to Westchester.. Trice isn't Chris Paul or anything but he's an NBA player. I bet pound for pound he could give us more than Calderon could at this point. Too bad the amount players are owed usually dictates who makes a team and who plays. In a perfect world, I'd take Trice on this team over Calderon in a heartbeat. Dude reminds me of a poor man's Mike Bibby. Nice player.
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10/18/2015  5:29 PM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Langston Galloway FAR and away beat out Jose Calderon. He had 15 assists and no TO with 13 rebounds 5 steals. He sht better than 50 % from 3 and his efg was high 50's.

Oquinn is the 2 ir 3 rd best player on the team--he outplayed Porzingis and as a 25 year old vet deserves to start

Lou Admundson deserves to be the 4th big. Seraphin has been hurt and not very good with his time Admundson can play a smaller quicker 5 man in this league

Early has earned a spot in the back end over Lance Thomas. His shot is much improved he looked quick athletic and ready to breakout.

Although Affalo played the least minutes I still like the way he played. Sasha takes many bad shots--he should be 3rd SG or 11-12 man as a three guard set foul trouble etc.

Calderon played decent but hes not better than Galloway and Grant is a lock for 2nd string.

What does everyone think of Galloway as a starting PG versus a guard who comes off the bench? I know the system doesn't necessarily need a pure PG but I think it also needs a guard that knows how to set up the offense, push the ball up the court, know where guys like to get the ball, etc. Not saying that Calderon does all of that, but can Gallo do that against first line starters? Baru, Philly, Celtics (sans Marcus Smart), Charlotte. Weak teams.

Love how Gallo has played and it's a big difference from SL. He is playing well, why would you take him out of that comfort zone and potentially mess him all up? Has he really EARNED a promotion based on a few preseason games against weak opponents?

Not quite enough PG skills to start the game for my taste, even in this system (which remember isn't really 100% triangle--still need at least one capable facilitator out there imo--and that's just not a big Galloway strength) but having said that, he's played well this preseason. No question about it. Not feeling his way as much anymore. Feels like he's more of an NBA player now and deserving of PT. I've gotten on Galloway a little bit in the past but I've warmed up to him considerably. Like many of our reserves, he's a player I'm excited to see enter the game when Fish turns to that 2nd unit.
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I agree about O'Quinn starting at the 4--I think he's earned it over KP. One of the best FA acquisitions in recent memory. Not only has KP not earned it anyway, I think coming off the bench is best for him at this point. Why add any extra pressure to perform? O'Quinn gives Melo a more competent player at this point to start the game with and play off of. KP's time will come -- O'Quinn's a deft, talented, capable PF himself. I think we'd have a chance of getting off to better starts in these 1st quarters starting O'Quinn over KP. Is the team OK with starting Melo at the 3 though? That's one big question. I prefer him at the 3 -- Melo and the team may not. Not much of an issue I guess--they've been starting KP at the 4 and Melo at 3 before KP sat out a few games.

Further on KP -- how'd everyone feel about his dunk attempt that Cody Zeller rejected with ease last night? I can't be the only one who cringed at that a little, right? Kinda makes me feel a little differently about all those showboat drives and dunks KP showed in that Vegas workout... Not saying it was fool's gold or anything--I just feel KP has a long way to go. Zeller's rejection really reminded me of that last night.
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10/18/2015  6:21 PM
i think whether kp or o'quinn starts it's a win-win for the knicks. but the only reason i think kp should start is he has greater defensive length and rim protection, and i saw some seminal moments of him and melo developing chemistry.

however, if kp plays with second unit, you have a lot of defensive length with galloway, grant and kp.

like i said, i think it's a win-win.

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Finestrg wrote:I agree about O'Quinn starting at the 4--I think he's earned it over KP. One of the best FA acquisitions in recent memory. Not only has KP not earned it anyway, I think coming off the bench is best for him at this point. Why add any extra pressure to perform? O'Quinn gives Melo a more competent player at this point to start the game with and play off of. KP's time will come -- O'Quinn's a deft, talented, capable PF himself. I think we'd have a chance of getting off to better starts in these 1st quarters starting O'Quinn over KP. Is the team OK with starting Melo at the 3 though? That's one big question. I prefer him at the 3 -- Melo and the team may not. Not much of an issue I guess--they've been starting KP at the 4 and Melo at 3 before KP sat out a few games.

Further on KP -- how'd everyone feel about his dunk attempt that Cody Zeller rejected with ease last night? I can't be the only one who cringed at that a little, right? Kinda makes me feel a little differently about all those showboat drives and dunks KP showed in that Vegas workout... Not saying it was fool's gold or anything--I just feel KP has a long way to go. Zeller's rejection really reminded me of that last night.

That was a legit at the rim rejection--anyone can have that. KP needs to simplify the game like a 5. Patrick Ewing mid range shots Kevin Mchale footwork using the backboard etc... hes out of his element trying to handle the ball to make a move from 20 feet. You cant do that in the nBA at 7-3

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