Clean wrote:I will go on the record and say I was REALLY wrong when I did not like the D Will signing. He has been simply amazing so far.

Thank you for coming out the closet. If only there were other real men like yourself. D.Will was simply abused by knick fans since the day he signed. There was only a few of us that liked the signing.

He was playing like this towards the end of last season. That told me he just needed a new system, new coach (George Carl) to wake up and stop taking his skills for granted. D.Wills problem is sustaining this consistent play. I figured he would kill in preseason. But will he take the JR route, and let the city life get to him? Will Mello be a vocal leader off the court? Last year, Melo was not that guy, and JR did what he wanted to.

This team is still suspect, until we see this same effort midway throught he season.

blkexec wrote:

Finestrg wrote:One thing I learned tonight -- His shot wasn't falling inside but Seraphin's a decent passer out of the post

Seraphin is a real sleeper. Too bad Q'quinn is playing great ball.

Hell of a problem to have

knicks1248 wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:Melo only scored 8 points tonight and we still won. Another good sign.

we shot 37% and won, that's an excellent sign

nice....that means we won with defense. It took almost 20 yrs to finally win by playing defense. And the good thing is not Melo scoring 8....Thats actually a bad thing. Because during the season, Melo would've continued to chuck up shots to get his average up, instead of walking away with only 8 pts. Hopefully I'm wrong and Melo has matured.

You figure Jose, Rolo, Melo, KP.. those guys are going to miss a handful of games so there are going to be nights where a guy who hasn't been in the rotation is suddenly getting 24 minutes a night. We saw this with Sheed, and Kurt Thomas during woodson's 54 win season.

Just a thought and something I could see Fisher doing. Its easier to manage and less disruptive to the roles your trying to set up early on

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:I think you can see the rotation forming
PG Jose
SG AA
SF MElo
PF KP
C Lopez
Bench: Grant, Galloway, KOQ, DWill
I think those are your nine and Fisher will want to set some certain line ups and rotations. Rather than swap guys around they will be cautious with player's health and give Sasha, Seraphin, Early, Lance, etc spot starts.

You figure Jose, Rolo, Melo, KP.. those guys are going to miss a handful of games so there are going to be nights where a guy who hasn't been in the rotation is suddenly getting 24 minutes a night. We saw this with Sheed, and Kurt Thomas during woodson's 54 win season.

Just a thought and something I could see Fisher doing. Its easier to manage and less disruptive to the roles your trying to set up early on

I can see Sasha and Seraphin getting regular minutes...just don't know how much. I even see Early pushing his case for nightly minutes. This is actually turning out to be a pretty deep roster.

Things always seem to settle in as a season progresses, and some players rise while others fall, but it seems to me that we have a lot of players with legitimate claims to some rotational time.

That game last night had a middle of the season feel to it...I don't think any of the players were in exhibition game mode, although the coaches limited the playing time for certain starters.

I think Sasha and Early made a cases for themselves yesterday, and I think Fisher likes Seraphin's bulk in the middle, and when he's on, he has a better post game that O'Quinn, IMO.

Injuries and rest will lead to spot starts, but I think if we have early success with a larger rotation, and guys seem to accept it, we might see more of it, despite the fact that many around here would prefer a smaller group getting regular minutes.

Nice problem to have, though.

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:I think you can see the rotation forming
PG Jose
SG AA
SF MElo
PF KP
C Lopez
Bench: Grant, Galloway, KOQ, DWill
I think those are your nine and Fisher will want to set some certain line ups and rotations. Rather than swap guys around they will be cautious with player's health and give Sasha, Seraphin, Early, Lance, etc spot starts.

You figure Jose, Rolo, Melo, KP.. those guys are going to miss a handful of games so there are going to be nights where a guy who hasn't been in the rotation is suddenly getting 24 minutes a night. We saw this with Sheed, and Kurt Thomas during woodson's 54 win season.

Just a thought and something I could see Fisher doing. Its easier to manage and less disruptive to the roles your trying to set up early on

I can see Sasha and Seraphin getting regular minutes...just don't know how much. I even see Early pushing his case for nightly minutes. This is actually turning out to be a pretty deep roster.

Things always seem to settle in as a season progresses, and some players rise while others fall, but it seems to me that we have a lot of players with legitimate claims to some rotational time.

That game last night had a middle of the season feel to it...I don't think any of the players were in exhibition game mode, although the coaches limited the playing time for certain starters.

I think Sasha and Early made a cases for themselves yesterday, and I think Fisher likes Seraphin's bulk in the middle, and when he's on, he has a better post game that O'Quinn, IMO.

Injuries and rest will lead to spot starts, but I think if we have early success with a larger rotation, and guys seem to accept it, we might see more of it, despite the fact that many around here would prefer a smaller group getting regular minutes.

Nice problem to have, though.

agreed on both posts. I still see Seraphin as a bit of a black hole, could just be because he hasn't had time to get into game flow. Haven't seen enough of him on the defensive side of things. For all of the praise he has gotten from posters, he hasn't shown enough for me but it is early.

I don't know why but I like Early's activity, even when he is messing up. It just seems like he is going all out even if it is a boneheaded play. His jumpshot is slow but he moves very well. Love the fact that he chanced his body this past offseason. Can't wait to see what he does this season and next offseason. I just like the way he fits in off the bench with Gallo, Grant, DWill, running and moving fast, trapping and knowing his playing time depends on what he does on the defensive end of things.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:I think you can see the rotation forming
PG Jose
SG AA
SF MElo
PF KP
C Lopez
Bench: Grant, Galloway, KOQ, DWill
I think those are your nine and Fisher will want to set some certain line ups and rotations. Rather than swap guys around they will be cautious with player's health and give Sasha, Seraphin, Early, Lance, etc spot starts.

You figure Jose, Rolo, Melo, KP.. those guys are going to miss a handful of games so there are going to be nights where a guy who hasn't been in the rotation is suddenly getting 24 minutes a night. We saw this with Sheed, and Kurt Thomas during woodson's 54 win season.

Just a thought and something I could see Fisher doing. Its easier to manage and less disruptive to the roles your trying to set up early on

I can see Sasha and Seraphin getting regular minutes...just don't know how much. I even see Early pushing his case for nightly minutes. This is actually turning out to be a pretty deep roster.

Things always seem to settle in as a season progresses, and some players rise while others fall, but it seems to me that we have a lot of players with legitimate claims to some rotational time.

That game last night had a middle of the season feel to it...I don't think any of the players were in exhibition game mode, although the coaches limited the playing time for certain starters.

I think Sasha and Early made a cases for themselves yesterday, and I think Fisher likes Seraphin's bulk in the middle, and when he's on, he has a better post game that O'Quinn, IMO.

Injuries and rest will lead to spot starts, but I think if we have early success with a larger rotation, and guys seem to accept it, we might see more of it, despite the fact that many around here would prefer a smaller group getting regular minutes.

Nice problem to have, though.

agreed on both posts. I still see Seraphin as a bit of a black hole, could just be because he hasn't had time to get into game flow. Haven't seen enough of him on the defensive side of things. For all of the praise he has gotten from posters, he hasn't shown enough for me but it is early.

I don't know why but I like Early's activity, even when he is messing up. It just seems like he is going all out even if it is a boneheaded play. His jumpshot is slow but he moves very well. Love the fact that he chanced his body this past offseason. Can't wait to see what he does this season and next offseason. I just like the way he fits in off the bench with Gallo, Grant, DWill, running and moving fast, trapping and knowing his playing time depends on what he does on the defensive end of things.

thing is Early is a good offensive player, the athleticism he's showing on defense is impressive, and if that's back by simply a good feel for the game on offense then its going to be hard to keep him out of the rotation. Sasha sits? Hard to play 12 guys...

Agree with what you're saying, particularly about Seraphin. Seraphin actually reminds me a bit of Eddy Curry so far - clearly solid in the post but with no ability to pass out or read defenses.

And given that this team hasn't yet had its full roster available for a single pre-season game, I think the playing time for 12 guys won't be an issue. We have some injury risks in those 12. I think there will always be a nagging injury here and there. Having depth means we can address it properly and give the players the proper rest.